The horror of S-Iberia or magical adventures of polar conquistadors
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Already how it works. AI won't colonize where they can't pull trade, but you actually *can* pull trade from Siberia to Spain, just via a lot of stops on the way - but if I defined it by number of stops they'd also ignore the pacific islands and such.
What I think I'll do is make the AI ignore arctic provinces (it's the harshest climate as of 1.12) if they don't have bordering provinces or territory in the same trade node. That should have the bonus effect of Spain also not grabbing random provinces in Hudson Bay.
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What about the following suggestion; the AI is programmed that it's slightly more inclined to go for their historical lands, BUT can still make the choice of not doing that? Like every time the AI colonizes it has a 70% chance to pick some historical land and 30% chance to do something that isn't one of those historical.
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Obviously I don't know how the AI currently picks colonization targets (I suspect that the "colonize X" mission sometimes guides it, maybe even overriding the selection process if it's available) but wouldn't some rules that predispose the AI to colonize non-distant overseas, then colonial regions/trade companies, then distantoverseas basically cover this? Just add the pacific islands to a trade zone and Siberia will be the last thing colonized by anyone not adjacent to it, but the colonizers will colonize as they should.
EDIT: lots of posts since I started typing then went to make coffee, more about AI selection of colonization targets was said, but I think it doesn't invalidate my point?
The (Western European) AI already colonizes Siberia dead last. People want them not to colonize it at all because it's a waste of money for them and looks rather bizarre.
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Making arctic harsher than tropical is indeed a welcome change for the general colonial game.
By the way, even though numbers of nodes to pull trade through can't be a hard cap because it would prevent Pacific or Asian colonization, couldn't there be a priority management based on that number ? For example, England would stop being obsessed by Brazil and focus more or North America, and conversely for Iberians. I must say, though, that in my 1.11 games Iberian Eastern America has been a much rarer outcome.
Besides, what would think about giving other Russian or Steppe nations the means to colonize Siberia ? Or Perm ?
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I think more dynamism in who colonizes is a good idea, as long as you don't end up with Oirat Siberia every game.
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Perhaps a timed modifier?
If year is equal to or greater than 1650 and proonces are uncolonized, the neighbors get a colonist? Or even as someone suggested earlier, that a new colony appears by event.
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I think one way to do it, was to give a colonist by tech (say tech 20, p.e.) to horde nations, and move the colonist from Russia NI's to 2nd spot. That way i believe you'll have a lot of takers for Siberia before western europeans get there.
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The moment the AI won't colonize there anymore there should be an achievement for players to colonize Siberia when from Iberia 
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Spain consistently ignores the Philippines to focus on Siberia in my games, I'll be glad to see less of that in 1.12!
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Aye, definitely agreed.
My personal preference with regards Siberia would basically be to give Muscovy/Muscovite Russia the first shot at it, but should they not take advantage of that chance for whatever reason (they've been trashed by other nations, they never take Perm, hell, even every now and then, they focus all their efforts Westward), then other nations, inlcuding both other Russians, and the Hordes (all the way along to Manchuria), and maybe even Japan should they be colonising, will make a move for the unclaimed SIberia (with the caveat that the Easternmost nations will likely only try to claim the area covered by the easternmost trade region). Europeans in Siberia should basically be a very late game thing if everywhere else accessible is claimed, and no-one in a position to take Siberia in a more sensible way has done so (hopefully this will be pretty rare).
I wouldn't want any "hard" constraints on who will colonise and when, but something along the lines of, should SIberia be unclaimed, then other nations nearby might start taking ideas with colonists, with the chances of them taking the ideas increasing over time. Having the Oriats take Exploration ASAP should be very rare (though I do think it would be interesting if it happened every now and then), but if Muscvoy hasn't got there by, say, the mid 1600s, then chances are someone else bordering Siberia will've picked up Expansion or Exploration and begun colonising.
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If you do that, will it make the AI not colonize Greenland's 2 provinces unless they have Canada?
A big issue is the AI colonizing areas sporadically, causing a lot of exclaves. Especially with Protestant countries that don't adhere to the rules of Treaty of Tordesillas. The AI should prioritize securing fully and having a colonial nation ready to act than having several colonies in different neighboring colonial regions.
Colonies should probably make a loss unless you're able to extract trade from them. This would likely help to stop S-Iberia and Breton Brasil. Although really we need better, more in depth, colonial mechanics which is more than "get 1000 population, win province".
Trading posts from EU2 need to make a comeback and free colonists removed from ideas completely, the Iberians already get a massive head start and they really don't need such a massive bonus, especially now that Portugal takes Exploration/Expansion.
Trading posts from EU2 need to make a comeback and free colonists removed from ideas completely, the Iberians already get a massive head start and they really don't need such a massive bonus, especially now that Portugal takes Exploration/Expansion.
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Yes and that's perfectly fine, Greenland shouldn't be a priority for anyone.
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Because Siberia has become almost synonymous with Russia - when you think of the latter, you will probably imagine the former, endless frozen plains (even if Siberia isn't...completely). This said, anyone but Russia or Asian powers settling that far inland is pretty absurd, even if I CAN see other power colonizing Kamchatka and environs. It will probably be an ice bucket, or a base to jumpstart to Asia (like Alaska was for Russia and the Americas), but it's possible.