Well, Elias has gone full-on like Markos Angelos. The question is if he will fall just like him?
Is it time for Cold War Divided Reich 2.0?Well, Elias has gone full-on like Markos Angelos. The question is if he will fall just like him?
This is technically the second time I referenced Order 66 as I adapted dialogue from the original Battlefront 2 during the Anarchy.So this is how Romanitas and Mertiocracy die, with thunderous applause. Since you called Bloody Tuesday your Red Wedding, I guess I can this the Hohenzollernverse Order 66, especially since you snuck in a Clone Wars reference with the “good soilders folllow orders” line.
His redemption isn't done yet...I must say I never thought I’d see the day where Wilhelm Karl admits he’s not a good ruler and that Wilhelmina would be the better Kaiser. He’s had quite the redemption arc these past few years.
Hopefully.I hope this Sophie is trustworthy, otherwise Wilhelmina might be heading into a trap.
I think you mean Beirut, not the Fire Emblem antagonist.Given relatively recent events in OTL, it seems like Berkut can’t catch a break in any timeline. Also, with all those other cities being nuked, I’m pretty sure Babelsburg as an entertainment insitution is in shambles with how many celebrities are probably dead, even if the studio in Berlin is fine.
Yeah, I know that. And to be fair, Nero wasn't that bad of a ruler himself, it was mostly later historians who intentionally wrote bad things about him. I didn't find a good place to bring up that it's a misconception within the update as Wilhelm Karl reasonably wouldn't care too much about history to know that.There is one thing here I got to mention, I’m pretty sure about the thing about Nero singing and ignoring the fire in Rome is a myth, as he wasn’t in the city when it broke out and he did put effort into stopping it or at least sent help to people affected by the fire when he was available. Just thought I’d clear up a misconception.
This is only the beginning of the nightmare.With the Augustian Code abolished and Elias’ enemies being hunted down, the Reich’s transformation into Gilead is almost completele. Let’s hope the X-Division crew and their families manage to defy fate and escape this nightmarish disaster.
Definitely not Gilead. That would be way too derivative of Atwood's work.Now I’m just wondering what Elias will end up calling his new regime, cause I imagine he’ll pick a different biblical name than Gilead.
On this note, unless it’s a concidence, I assume that “Good soldiers follow orders” line means you’ve watched Clone Wars recently. If that’s the case, what do you think that show would be like here? Given all the changes you made to the prequels, particularly replacing the Clone Troopers with regular conscripted and voleenter soilders, I imagine it would be very different from OTL if it still exists.This is technically the second time I referenced Order 66 as I adapted dialogue from the original Battlefront 2 during the Anarchy.
I did mean Beirut, but since we’re here…I think you mean Beirut, not the Fire Emblem antagonist.
In this case, I suppose you could say Wilhelm Karl is closer to Nero than he even realizes. Both emperors weren’t exactly madmen, but they both were very ambitious rulers who wanted to have absolute control of everything only to end up getting burned for it. I wonder if this comparison works.Yeah, I know that. And to be fair, Nero wasn't that bad of a ruler himself, it was mostly later historians who intentionally wrote bad things about him. I didn't find a good place to bring up that it's a misconception within the update as Wilhelm Karl reasonably wouldn't care too much about history to know that.
Fair enough. I imagine that if Elias could get away with it, he’d do away with the Roman name due to all the paganism and Christian persecution of the First Empire, maybe lean more towards a Kingdom of Jerusalem angle.Definitely not Gilead. That would be way too derivative of Atwood's work.
Quite ironic indeed. To be fair tho, even if he still wanted to rule, assuming Elias and his allies are overthrown, I don’t think he’d be accepted by the Romans anymore given all that has happened.Not to the same level, but there's some irony in Wilhelm Karl being the closest he's ever been to acting like a proper Kaiser, genuinely being worthy of the title, is as he prepares to hand it away. He took the title when he was the worst candidate possible, and tragedy has molded him into someone who could rule but doesn't want to.
Don’t rule anything out. As for the glory of the Kingdom of God, anything can be justified.God save the Reich, for nobody else could at this rate. Elias has finally dominated the entire system, the mad Regent has won. Now that I think about it, he's going down a not-so similar path as The New Order's Taboritsky, woe be to the Romans if Elias goes mad and starts purging non-Christians for some dead Hohenzollern claimant.
She would absolutely hate seeing her message of environmentalism twisted into such a hateful and murderous ideology.The saddest part about Elias is how wrong he is about his sister; if she saw him now, I'm quite confident she'd be revolted.
As they say, those who are best suited to rule are those who don’t want to rule.Not to the same level, but there's some irony in Wilhelm Karl being the closest he's ever been to acting like a proper Kaiser, genuinely being worthy of the title, is as he prepares to hand it away. He took the title when he was the worst candidate possible, and tragedy has molded him into someone who could rule but doesn't want to.
Yeah, I watched Clone Wars (the 3D series at least) a few months ago. Since then I was thinking about what it would be like here, with the conclusion that by massively changing the prequels, I pretty much screwed this show over and made it almost unrecognizable. Maybe we can get away with Ahsoka’s arc being similar and Rex and Cody being brothers and the other major clones (like Fives and Echo) being regular people, but ironically the chips and “good soldiers follow orders” would have to go. Bad Batch would have to be completely different since Clone Force 99 can’t be clones and Omega needs a new background.On this note, unless it’s a concidence, I assume that “Good soldiers follow orders” line means you’ve watched Clone Wars recently. If that’s the case, what do you think that show would be like here? Given all the changes you made to the prequels, particularly replacing the Clone Troopers with regular conscripted and voleenter soilders, I imagine it would be very different from OTL if it still exists.
Evil harpsichord intensifiesI did mean Beirut, but since we’re here…
And when all’s said and done, they’ll be blamed for everything that happened and go down in history as synonymous with tyranny.In this case, I suppose you could say Wilhelm Karl is closer to Nero than he even realizes. Both emperors weren’t exactly madmen, but they both were very ambitious rulers who wanted to have absolute control of everything only to end up getting burned for it. I wonder if this comparison works.
Or he might see the idea of a Reich as tainted by the party cartel and inherently designed to prop it up. Thus to break the establishment’s grip on the nation for good, he must end the Reich itself. Though he would have to be very crazy to do that as the other committee members probably won’t be onboard with it.Fair enough. I imagine that if Elias could get away with it, he’d do away with the Roman name due to all the paganism and Christian persecution of the First Empire, maybe lean more towards a Kingdom of Jerusalem angle.
Wilhelm Karl is still very much the public face of the committee. He was the one who issued the decrees which enforced martial law, established the committee, and nullified every single law up to the Augustinian Code himself. To the average person, the committee is working for the Kaiser and giving all power to him, which is exactly what Wilhelm Karl said in public addresses many years ago.Quite ironic indeed. To be fair tho, even if he still wanted to rule, assuming Elias and his allies are overthrown, I don’t think he’d be accepted by the Romans anymore given all that has happened.
I should point out there are graphic violence warnings accompanying two upcoming updates. And I absolutely do no condone whatever made me put those warnings in.Given the homophobia of the Committee and many Romans nowadays, I guess they wouldn’t like trans and nonbinary people much either. For that matter, I’m not even sure asexuals and aromatics would be welcome in this Reich.
Fair enough, all the changes to the Prequels would make the Clone Wars very different, I suppose the Siege of Mandalore arc and the Clone Wars portrayal of Order 66 in Season 7 would have to be entirely different since there’s no Maul or inhibitor chips to use at that point. I guess we could get away with the 2D Clone Wars and Rebels being similar to OTL at least, even through I’ve never seen the latter. That said, I am wondering what the other Star Wars media loosely related to the 3D Clone Wars and Rebels, like Solo, Rouge One and the Mandalorian, would be like in that case? I also wonder if we could move the inhibitor chips and the “Good soilders follow orders” quote somewhere else, like this TTL’s sequel trilogy perhaps since Finn is now the protagonist instead of Rey. I can see that working when you consider that First Order stormtroopers in OTL canon were kidnapped from childhood and indoctrinatated into the First Order ideology, something the movies themselves in OTL didn’t really explore.Yeah, I watched Clone Wars (the 3D series at least) a few months ago. Since then I was thinking about what it would be like here, with the conclusion that by massively changing the prequels, I pretty much screwed this show over and made it almost unrecognizable. Maybe we can get away with Ahsoka’s arc being similar and Rex and Cody being brothers and the other major clones (like Fives and Echo) being regular people, but ironically the chips and “good soldiers follow orders” would have to go. Bad Batch would have to be completely different since Clone Force 99 can’t be clones and Omega needs a new background.
Funny enough, when we talked about this when I wrote the prequel updates, I basically described the (2D) Clone Wars series of 2003 even though I had no idea about its premise at the time.
Oh, I see. I’m guessing Elias’ new regime will be as brutal as Gilead is. Thanks for the heads up, I’ll be on the watch for these updates and brace for them.I should point out there are graphic violence warnings accompanying two upcoming updates. And I absolutely do no condone whatever made me put those warnings in.
Rebels can survive almost intact, as there are some references to CW but it stands on its own and doesn't depend on clones or prequel concepts. The standalone movies and The Mandalorian could also be the same as I didn't change anything related to their backstories. Putting the inhibitor chips in the sequel trilogy might work as the First Order doesn't want the risk of its own soldiers rebelling again (which contributed to the Republic's downfall in the OT).Fair enough, all the changes to the Prequels would make the Clone Wars very different, I suppose the Siege of Mandalore arc and the Clone Wars portrayal of Order 66 in Season 7 would have to be entirely different since there’s no Maul or inhibitor chips to use at that point. I guess we could get away with the 2D Clone Wars and Rebels being similar to OTL at least, even through I’ve never seen the latter. That said, I am wondering what the other Star Wars media loosely related to the 3D Clone Wars and Rebels, like Solo, Rouge One and the Mandalorian, would be like in that case? I also wonder if we could move the inhibitor chips and the “Good soilders follow orders” quote somewhere else, like this TTL’s sequel trilogy perhaps since Finn is now the protagonist instead of Rey. I can see that working when you consider that First Order stormtroopers in OTL canon were kidnapped from childhood and indoctrinatated into the First Order ideology, something the movies themselves in OTL didn’t really explore.
I chose that song because it was previously used in Bloody Tuesday and I wanted to use a cheerful and upbeat song with some minor religious references as a signal to carry out unspeakable atrocities in the name of religion.I personally would choose The Sign as purge signal music. "I got a new life / You would hardly recognize me / I'm so glad / How could a person like me care for you?" Although, I suppose Ace of Base would be from Scandinavia in this world, so perhaps Elias would prefer a Roman-made song.
Operation "Get Wilhelmina On the Throne and Hope the General Public Still Respects the Monarchy" must be enacted swiftly, else Elias might purge everyone who doesn't actually support his state (or is at least apathetic).
There are a lot of parallels to Franz Joseph. Even the direct descendant who should be heir (Wilhelmina/Franz Joseph’s daughters) is passed over and the throne goes to a brother or a descendant of a brother (WK/Franz Ferdinand’s line). And this is a coincidence as I didn’t intentionally do this, but Wilhelmina’s husband is named Franz and her son is Joseph.Well Prince Horst was killed. I guess whether a group like Sentinel or Wilhelm is secretly killing potential rivals to the throne. Dang Otto just can't catch a break with family members dying can he? Reminds me of Kaiser Franz Joseph I right before the Weltkrieg.
Fred certainly did not do it in the show, but he definitely spun the incident in his advantage. There, he was a former marketing executive, so he knew exactly how to spin it.Elias appears to be channeling his inner 'Fred' Waterford in this arc. Although I do agree that Elias might not have had Gertrude assassinated because I don’t think even the character he is based off of would do that. I do however think that both Fred and Elias are opportunists and would use that event for their benefit.
You’ll have to wait and see.That really is horrible for Oskar to go through. Even if it is proven that he never did those things and he is cleared he will have most likely lost his teaching job and might never be able to be a teacher again. I also fear that people will still think that he did those things even if it is proven otherwise. I really hope you brought him back in some way. Maybe he could get a job at a Museum and be that person with a group of people talking about different artifacts or exhibits?
It’s the same story, no matter the time, no matter the place.A bully claiming he is being bullied to a family member, and one group of people claiming another is stealing their jobs. The more things change the more they stay the same unfortunately.
I left it ambiguous. Although I wrote it from the point of view of being honest, he could just as easily have lied or portrayed himself in a better light.I like the interaction between Wilhelm and Elias. However a part of me is wondering how much of Wilhelm’s statements are actually true as in is he truly being honest about his feelings or is he just saying things that he thinks Elias wants to hear?
Horst is a possibility, but he was nowhere near Elisabeth Alexandra and was incapable of touching her. Sentinel killed her to intimidate Otto into submission.A pillow came on the guy was going to go naturally soon anyway so just let the man die in peace. “peacefully in his sleep,” yea right. I’m not buying what you are selling Wilhelm. Due to that scene I am beginning to believe that he did kill Horst and Elizabeth.
Well, there were no witnesses so...A part of me wants Anders to reveal that Wilhelm killed Otto however I know how unlikely Anders would find any evidence.
Ironic indeed.It would be really ironic for Wilhelm to go out the same way his father did at the end of his reign.
I was also shocked when I looked up Kohl’s funeral and saw that mess.Also that part about Helmut Kohl’s funeral was crazy and made me think “surely that couldn't have been real”. I looked it up and unfortunately it did happen. My question is why would someone do that? I mean I guess I can understand being obsessed with a celebrity or something but really a politician?
I haven’t thought much about it. Last I remember, Anglo-Saxon was still dominant in England, but Norman was making inroads. So I could see a weird English developing with less French/Norman influences and more Germanic ones. It might be recognizable to us but much closer to the Germanic languages.I have been wondering about this for a while but what is the status of English/Britannian in TTL? Is it like English in OTL or is it heavily Germanised like in Anglish which according to the Wikipedia article “Linguistic purism in English” is an attempt to get rid of the “foreign” influences in English as also explained in the Langfocus video “Anglish - What if English Were 100% Germanic?”? I know it has to be like OTL English especially for the characters (even though in universe the characters would speak their native languages) and for the AAR overall but I was just wondering.
Oh no, I don’t like where I think this is going. Look likes the future Diana saw cannot be avoided. Josh is truly crazy now.Oh, the look on Alex’s stupid face when he would learn…
I think you meant to have Francesca say this here. Makes way more sense that way."That witch?" Gertrude said.
At least hackers aren't aware of this...for now.It's uploaded directly to the cloud... oh dear... the cloud is not airtight security, especially against hackers backed by the resources of a large country...
Nobody would step up because nobody would be left. All hell would break loose.I wonder who would step up if the entire committee were killed at once? Of course that's impossible; they'd just scatter and beef up security after the first member's death.
when the Internet starts speaking Chinese/Mongol/(the main hacking-associated language of the day)Bold move indeed, though I think uploading that to the cloud just might kill them all unfortunately, let's hope any would-be hacker actually has the conscience to not leak it, then again if they were anti-Roman......
They just support the ideal of the troops, not the actual soldiers themselves. They are just a means to an end.It’s pretty ironic, albeit horrifying, that the Commitee talked a big game about military patriotism to justify the invasion of India, only to end up purging the Imperial Guard and likely other parts of the military. So much for supporting the troops.
Ironically, Otto's administrative reforms and creation of the Länder system fulfilled their original purpose, to prevent widespread organized rebellion. It worked exactly as designed.A shame about those rebellions being crushed due to how weak and disorganized they are. If the Committee was distracted or didn’t care about them, I could see Mittagsland, Hawaii and Sumatra getting away from their control due to being Pacific and Oceanic islands very distant from Europe, but there’s nothing to stop the Committee from rolling out its navy to crush them sadly. Again, a large organized rebellion would be really neat at this point, but sadly that’s never gonna happen since the provinces are effectively powerless and the small Landers don’t have the resources for such a rebellion. I wonder what’s going on in Neurhomania since they are not rebelling like the other overseas provinces and parts of Africa have. Whatever the Committee have done there, it seems they’ve locked down Neurhomania tightly under their rule.
And yet she still resorts to her old tricks while teaming up with Wilhelm Karl. Can she truly be trusted?Gertrude helping the Hohenzollerns to stop Elias’ reign of terror is a pretty big surprise. About time she’s realized what a mess she’s made. She’s still untrustworthy, but Wilhelm Karl does admittedly need all the help he can get. Let’s just hope Gertrude uploading that recording to the cloud doesn’t bite everyone in the Arsch before the blackmail can be broken.
It will only get worse.Oh no, I don’t like where I think this is going. Look likes the future Diana saw cannot be avoided. Josh is truly crazy now.
Fixed it.I think you meant to have Francesca say this here. Makes way more sense that way.
Love the map so far! I've put my thoughts below.This is my second update for Tianxia it focuses on the Indian sub-continent and the successor states of the Indian Empire.
I don't think they would go as far as to declare a new nation, just an "Indian Empire" rump state in the northwest.Realizing the impossibility of these tumultuous events being resolved favorably for the Empire, the Emperor and his royal court in January 1926 chose to create a free nation in the northwest of India under his leadership in the hopes that someday the Royalists would be able to retake the sub-continent and restore the Empire. The move received harsh criticism from some, India as a united Empire was after all was still considered “the strongest member of the Central Powers”, but the Royalist government in Deli realized and accepted the necessity of the move in keeping a hold of the sub-continent.
The Emperor is still Purandaradasa, right? He would be well over 100 by now, so maybe his death would set off a succession crisis between his children.This new state remained close with its African domain and with the surviving members of the Central Powers, and it was agreed that in order to appease the local population Muhammed Shuja Al-Mulk would become a royal advisor to the Emperor, who would also be advised by a mixed group of Imperial and Raja advisors. In the decade since its formation, Delhi has struggled to consolidate her position in India, clearing out several of the smaller regimes that had sprung up, and maintaining a strong front against the syndicalist forces in the south.
What's stopping the Princely Federation from just rejoining Delhi? That it's more aligned with China?By 1936 Princely Federation had asserted control peacefully and by force across the entire eastern part of the sub-continent, but expansion was hemmed in by the existence of the Bharatiya Commune and Rajput Empire in the west and south. Despite this predicament the current situation helps the ruling princes as it prevents aggressive behavior where the status quo could collapse like a house of cards.
While I'm okay with it, maybe try finding a name to replace Bharatiya Commune? In canon there is already precedent in the Union of India the Naxalites attempted to establish. Speaking of which, the Naxalites were a rural-based far left movement, so perhaps we could see some proto-Naxalites getting involved in the political process of this regime?Bharatiya Commune
Following the collapse of the Paramara war effort many groups began to compete for power. The syndicalists in the south of India were the first to act. Inspired by Albion and Gaul, the Princely states in Hyderabad, Mysore, and Travancore among others experienced their own revolutions in October 1925 followed by many other communities in the south. Despite many Paramara troops moving to the Northwest, many others attempted to resist the new state. By 1927 the revolutions were successful with the new revolutionary states uniting under a loose Confederation of People's Republics. Despite this victory the new revolutionary state would find itself surrounded on multiple sides with Azad Hind and the Rajput Empire in the northeastern/western parts of the sub-continent respectively. Due to this deadlock the southern government started looking inwards and attempted to root out supposed “enemies of the people’, along with repairing the damage brought on by the war. The CPR is also trying to not be too belligerent so that it does not gain the wrath of China, who is by no means pleased that another radical regime rose up. Much less one so close to its own borders. By the 1930’s the CPR started looking outward again but in a less direct way such as supporting revolution in neighboring countries, this new policy included changing its name to the Bharatiya Commune and forming a more unitary state. By 1936 there is evidence that this strategy has begun to bear fruit in Indo-china and Delhi, and the People's army stands ready to capitalize on the chaos which might ensue.