An empire that focuses purely on land will have a hard time flourishing in a world with so much ocean. That alone would have pushed the Reich to build a navy.
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Manfred really doesn’t care about this unless it directly impacts his life. He doesn’t see how learning about “dead people” can impact his life in the modern day. This apathy also applies to his outlook on other things like politics. As long as he lives a comfortable life, he doesn’t care.I see that some students like Manfred there are going for a closed world view and are forgetting about what makes the Reich great and its rise to power out of hard work alone! (ignoring the console commands and the angels)
Really only true if that nation has a big coastline. Russia and the Mongols in our history, as well as later imperial China even with its long coastline, did about fine without a signinaval presence.An empire that focuses purely on land will have a hard time flourishing in a world with so much ocean. That alone would have pushed the Reich to build a navy.
Seeing this reminds me of other cultures that the Germans have squashed from history like the Hungarians and them only having a culture due to Eu4 mechanics or how the Bohemians were wiped from existence as a culture and the nation of Bohemia not making sense to the point of rebellions against the Equalist multiple times.FLM huh, nice to see the French are finally reasserting their identity and culture, it’s time that they made so that they will no longer be ignored. Makes me wonder if we’ll see how other groups displaced by the Early Kaisers, like the Arabs and Poles, reasserting themselves like the French have done.
I don’t think I talked about Bismarck in these study sessions, but I did mention him later on the political side in the context of his long tenure as chancellor and if Merkel can beat that. I am going to talk about the Metternich system in a later study session so I may put a reference to him there.Great post Zen, way more content than the previous study session for sure. The in-depth discussions about military logistics, economics and colonization are very nice, but I also like the little details like some of Reinhard's policies indirectly having a positive affect on the Reich (which makes me curios about how Bismarck will be discussed when the school arc reaches the Imperial Century, especially since you once said Bismarck's mental decline in a way lead to the collapse of the Metternich system.) Jewsades, or the Mexica’s brief campaign into the heart of Continental Europe. Plus seeing lore about naval warfare and logistics is neat since that’s something that’s not really covered by CK2’s gameplay. The character interactions here are also nice and flesh out this world even more. I do disagree with Manfred’s general apathy about anything outside his immediate environment, but he is just a teen not really interested in what’s going on in the world so it’s possible he’ll grow out of the future as part of his character arc, or at least adjust and reconsider it. Looking forward to the next study session you got planned.
I should’ve mentioned here that this helped to avoid another failing of the Reich’s predecessors, namely how major Byzantine nobles sometimes were powerful enough to simply take their domains and troops and sabotage the emperor. The most obvious example is Manzikert (which happened after the main point of divergence and didn’t happen here, but similar incidents happened before). By encouraging Romanitas among the people, integrating every part of the country into the same economic network, and breaking the power of local nobility, the provinces would remain loyal.The idea of proto nationalism is a very interesting one I’d like to see explored. Seeing it tied into discussions of Romanitas and how groups like Hispanian and Maurentian Malians managed to integrate and contribute to the Reich (like the Reich setting up large dockyards and ports on Mauretania's coastal cities so that they could build ships for colonization) as opposed to either leaning more towards seperatism or aligning with the Reich's neighbors whenever they went to war.
I don’t think I would talk about that era, but I might bring up incidents of Roman/Mexican cooperation prior to the modern day, since I will be talking about the Roman/Mexican relationship.If you ever talk about the Wars of Eimerican indepdence than there is something I'm curios about something outside of its connection to the Commonwealth Wars and the independence movements of Nsoloria and Kananta, and that would be Roman-Mexican cooperation. Obviously the Mexican-Roman alliance was kind of strange, but its not completely without precedent since during Gaberial, Adam and Blasius' attempts to circumnavigate the globe, there was an exploration where Mexican conquistadors ended up running into Roman conquistadors lead by a descendant of Arndt and spent a significant leg of their their mission to explore the Amazon. I think it would be neat if you could reference that when talking about the weirdness of the alliance systems in the Eimerican Independence Wars.
I focused mainly on the French for this arc, but I could mention similar movements for the Arabs and Poles later on.FLM huh, nice to see the French are finally reasserting their identity and culture, it’s time that they made so that they will no longer be ignored. Makes me wonder if we’ll see how other groups displaced by the Early Kaisers, like the Arabs and Poles, reasserting themselves like the French have done. They’ve been through a lot and I imagine that the school arc will be talking about the injustices inflicted on them during the Reich’s long history, but it would be nice to contrast it with brighter moments of these peoples’ fortunes making a turn around, such as the Arab Muslim island of Socotra being the site of the Ming’s first contact with the Reich and later the base of a merchant republic in the Indian Ocean similar to the Hansa in the North Sea, the Mediterranean Italian Republica, and Southeast Asia’s AOG
I will be addressing the fate of non-Lombard Italians in the future as well as some other minority groups. And of course, the Anglo-Saxons/English have been dominant in Babelsberg for decades. Thanks to deromanization, some semblance of Bohemian/Hungarian/Romanian culture has reemerged in the east, although there isn’t much to embrace.Seeing this reminds me of other cultures that the Germans have squashed from history like the Hungarians and them only having a culture due to Eu4 mechanics or how the Bohemians were wiped from existence as a culture and the nation of Bohemia not making sense to the point of rebellions against the Equalist multiple times.
Study Session 4 will focus on the saints and their legacy. I’m going to talk about Gunhilda’s legacy and relationship with Wilhelmina.Since we are probably gonna be seeing an expansion in regards to Saint Gunhilda's lore, I'd like to see how she ends up as a patron saint for the French minority (It'd be a nice tie-in as to why her painting has French symbols as well as her home having French signs). I'd love to see if the Arabs and the Poles are also gonna be reasserting their culture, especially since I do recall a brief Polish rebellion (Can't tell if it was the Vicky section or the HOI3 section), gonna be interesting to see how that will be discussed. And of course since Gunhilda herself is from Poland, I can tell she's a beloved saint there by the Poles as well.
And to think all this started because a newly appointed Metternich wanted cleaner borders with Persia and declared war on a whim. As a result of that, the current world order and dominant political systems came into being.What an interesting lesson in how a rebellion lead to a somewhat democratic movement while another caused its occupation for some time and civil war.
It is hard to kill an idea once it has many believers.Ideologies never die, they are absorbed and influence the ones who persist.
I talk a little about the Augustinian Code and some of its inspirations in the next study session, but I think I covered the “reaction to major threats” angle with the Thirteenth Century Crisis discussions, and I’ll be talking about Mexicanist extremism and pan-Eimericanisn in Study Session 5. Probably not going to discuss fascism and equalism since I have HOI3 and early NWO alreadyGreat choice of topic for a lecture. The Persian Revolution didn’t get much attention during late EU4 and early Vicky 2, so I’m glad you decided to flesh it out and give it more detailed lore. Now that talked about the Reich’s early liberal movements, I predict we’ll eventually talk about either the establishments and reforms of the Augustan Code or how the Reich reacted to threats from within and abroad, like Fascism and Equalism.
It would be interesting if in the Maximist TL-191 there were multiple factions within the Maximist regime supporting democracy, meritocracy, and nationalism. That would make their story more diverse and nuanced.I really like the lore about for the Maxmists movement and it spiting apart into different factions after its defeat. It would be would be really interesting if something similar happens in TTL's Alt history media regarding Maxmists victory, like in TL-191 if that's ever revisited, or your take on Decades of Darkness in the Hohenzollernverse.
I did mention here how Duke Franz Ferdinand was forced to join the Angeloi movement, so he didn’t seem to be that nationalist. Martin being a true believer in the movement before becoming disillusioned and joining the moderate factions is something I could see happening.Also, I know Prince Maxmillian himself disdained the movement despite being its figurehead, but it'd be interesting if his descendants ever dabbled in the more moderate factions. Ironically Franz Ferdinand was something of a nationalist in late Vicky 2, but probably not to the extent of the diehard Maxmists or Angeloi. As for Maxmillian's son, Prince Martin, since you said you originally wanted him to be the leader of the Maxmisist movement and talked about him being apart of the movement before retconning that in HOI3, I like to imagine he was a diehard revolutionary before before being disgusted by the excess of the Maxmist regime and later turining to either of the two moderate liberal movements.
The Seljuks being of Turkish origin was something I completely forgot to put in this study session, and I assume that would be one of the reasons for the revolution even though they had been fully Persianized for centuries. That reputation would last for at least another 150 years and would really only be shaken off after WW2 and the republican referendum, when the shahs realized they had to change their ways to avoid being overthrown. Then they supported things like the White Revolution, which modernized the country, and economic reforms which brought higher standards of living. The ever present threat of equalism and Chinese takeover also reinforced the shahs’ place as a good alternative to those outcomes. Nowadays most Persians don’t care much about the shahs or that they were Turks. They’re just there.Wasn’t a part of the opposition against the Shahs the fact that they were seen as foreigners by Persia’s native inhabited and likely was out of touch with Persian society the way a lot of monarchies usually are before being overthrown by the masses? What would be some factors of the Seljuks throwing off the sitgma of being an incomplete and corrupt dynasty of foreign Turks until, let’s say, the mid 20th century after WW2, the Persian Civil War and Reza Khan’s tenure as a meritocratic chancellor after the 1953 coup?
I’m probably going to cover that in Elias’ or maybe Boris’ parts, though not in detail, so not in a study session.It'd be pretty cool if we get a lecture about Deromanization and the legacy of Soviet rule on the Occupied Territories, but I won't mind if you don't have plans for that. The Occupied Territories will be probably somewhat important to the main Forum arc anyway, since Elias is from there, so maybe we'll get some looks at their culture and economic/political situation that way.
Most Jews probably didn’t care since they knew the circumstances behind the declaration. They would be opposed to the Abyssinians invading since they considered themselves Romans first before Jews. As for the territorial claims, they are of course worried about further Abyssinian aggression, but in times of peace they conduct trade and religious activities with Jewish communities in Abyssinia.And I know this is a question related to the last study session and not this current one, but how did the majority Jewish Roman Middle East react to the Kohen Gadol being forced to declare a holy war against the Reich and the Abyssinian invasion, as well as Abyssinia's subsequent claims on a good chuck of the Middle East and Africa until WW2?
Obviously I can’t talk about angel stuff in these study sessions, but I did talk about how Gunhilda effectively became Wilhelmina’s mother because Wilhelmina’s birth mother died when she was young. Outside of these study sessions, I might talk about previous Hohenzollerns if their actions are relevant to the current story, particularly Georg and Wilhelmina’s arcs.Anyways, great job with this lecture, looking forward to the discussions about the two Roman saints in the next update and how they changed the Reich during their lifetime. I’d also be interested in what plans you’d have for them outside of these study sessions in terms of story, like elaborations on Gunhilda's backstory, such as her origins as the last remaining Nephilim and her relationship with Fredrich the Glorious among other things like that.
I'm excited for Study Session 5's discussions. I wonder if the Palluists movements, Equalist regimes or Pierramaskin's reign will come up during the lecture about Eimerican nationalism and religious fundamentalism?I talk a little about the Augustinian Code and some of its inspirations in the next study session, but I think I covered the “reaction to major threats” angle with the Thirteenth Century Crisis discussions, and I’ll be talking about Mexicanist extremism and pan-Eimericanisn in Study Session 5. Probably not going to discuss fascism and equalism since I have HOI3 and early NWO already
Maybe there would be a faction that’d want to reconcile with the former Siegfriedists and make peace with them at the very least. I do wonder how a Maxamist victory would affect the growth of meritocracy tho. I can see such a world being polarized between the Maximist model and the Sino/Ryukan model of democracy, but I’m not sure how meritocracy would evolve in an era where the Siegfriedists lost and the Metternich system was likely dismantled. Maybe the exiled Siegfridists could become more autocratic and influenced by radical factions, like Gorring's faction assuming they don't split off from the Siegfridists like we suggested before?It would be interesting if in the Maximist TL-191 there were multiple factions within the Maximist regime supporting democracy, meritocracy, and nationalism. That would make their story more diverse and nuanced.
That’s an interesting dynamic between them. Looking forward to their update. By the way, does Gunhilda still have her statue in front of the Hagia Sophia. There’s there’s a chance it was destroyed or damaged in November 9 like the original Hagia Sophia, Hippodrome and Great Palace were afterall, although all of those sites I mentioned were rebuilt in the end.Obviously I can’t talk about angel stuff in these study sessions, but I did talk about how Gunhilda effectively became Wilhelmina’s mother because Wilhelmina’s birth mother died when she was young. Outside of these study sessions, I might talk about previous Hohenzollerns if their actions are relevant to the current story, particularly Georg and Wilhelmina’s arcs.
Yep! I talked about all of those, from the reign of Pierremaskin to modern religious fundamentalism and how they all fed into each other to create the current crisis.I'm excited for Study Session 5's discussions. I wonder if the Palluists movements, Equalist regimes or Pierramaskin's reign will come up during the lecture about Eimerican nationalism and religious fundamentalism?
At least in China there is a huge outrage over the Sentinel-implicated Unit 731 still persisting after WW2. At home, Schröder was arrested and put on trial for allowing 11/9 to happen, while Scheel was also imprisoned. People are now aware of the Patriot Act’s origins as a tool for Sentinel to gain more control over society, but due to the current political gridlock the law hasn’t been changed or repealed yet. I’ll probably mention some of this in future updates on the political side.Also, not sure if this will be covered in the school arc, but how would the revelation of a secret organization like Sentinel manipulating events from behind the scene affect how people see those events when they look back on them? Would they look at the War on Terror or the Cold War and its effects any differently then they would otherwise?
Meritocracy would probably die after a Maximist victory, just like Roman democracy never took off after the Siegfriedist victory. The remaining Siegfriedists might become more radical, like the Carlists and Action Française in real life. The world would be split between Maximist-style democracy and the Sino-Ryukyuan model. Meritocracy would be remembered the same way as Roman democracy was, as a failure.Maybe there would be a faction that’d want to reconcile with the former Siegfriedists and make peace with them at the very least. I do wonder how a Maxamist victory would affect the growth of meritocracy tho. I can see such a world being polarized between the Maximist model and the Sino/Ryukan model of democracy, but I’m not sure how meritocracy would evolve in an era where the Siegfriedists lost and the Metternich system was likely dismantled. Maybe the exiled Siegfridists could become more autocratic and influenced by radical factions, like Gorring's faction assuming they don't split off from the Siegfridists like we suggested before?
It should still be there, but I haven’t mentioned it in my drafts so far.That’s an interesting dynamic between them. Looking forward to their update. By the way, does Gunhilda still have her statue in front of the Hagia Sophia. There’s there’s a chance it was destroyed or damaged in November 9 like the original Hagia Sophia, Hippodrome and Great Palace were afterall, although all of those sites I mentioned were rebuilt in the end.
Kurds get along okay with their neighbors. Although they are Zoroastrian, they see themselves as Romans first. They have some cultural ties with the Arab, Turkish, and Islamic communities in the area like the Yazidi, and they are quite friendly with Persians on both sides of the border. Nothingout of the ordinary.I wonder how the Kurds have been doing in the Reich since they seem to be the majority culture of Mesopotamia, and the 1900s conuntry update for the Reich talked about Zoroastrian Kurds being important to securing the stability of Mesopotamia. I wonder how they interact with their cultural neighbors like the Arab and Turkish Muslim communities of the three caliphs, Persian minorities as a result of the Reich’s conquest of its border lands, and Jewish and Greco-German groups in the rest of the Middle East?
You caught me right in the middle of the final edits for Study Session 4. Theological history wasn’t the focus of this update, as I wanted to focus more on the personal relationship between the saints. But maybe I’ll talk about the issue of Islamophobia and lingering anti-Semitism in the future.Since Gertrude talked about the Reich’s shift towards secularism after the Fifty Years War in the main Forum arc, I wonder how much the next update will be focused on the Reich’s theological history given the religious significance Gunhilda and Wilhelmina have? Perhaps details about the Iconoclastic and Purist movements or how Wilhelmina managed to overtake Catholicism, maybe some discussions about the Inquisition and the Reich’s cases of Islamophobia?
There are probably dozens of old forts across the British Isles, and Dublin and Reykjavik have lots of old ruins with Nahua architecture. I think there are still livable buildings in Dublin which were built by the Triple Alliance.Also, since the Mexica pyramid in Altmark was retconed, I wonder if there’s any significant cultural traces of the Triple Alliance's European conquest besides the leftover descendants of settlers and Actal refugees, like Mesoeimerican architecture in the British Isles, Iceland or parts of Scandinavia?
Probably just that the continued Roman military presence helped stabilize the Malian government to the point where it could stand on its own, and then it passed reforms to integrate and placate the various ethnic groups so the insurgencies stopped.Any details about how Mali got out of its decades of internal and external troubles between the early 1900s' Air crisis, the World Wars and the Malian Civil War of the 1980s? Perhaps the many different ethnic groups the country has have become more integrated into the greater Malian identity to prevent nationalist uprisings like the Senegal rebellions, or the government is more representative now that it's moved away from decades of right wing dictatorships and resulting equalist insurgencies.