The Hohenzollern Empire 5: Holy Phoenix - An Empire of Jerusalem Megacampaign in New World Order

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What makes all this more unfortunate is that a lot of Wihelmina plans for a post Jerusalem Reich, from demilitarization, to restoring the Roman economy and political system, and deradicalizing Romans with a good education system, would likely rely on cooperation with the UN. With global opinion firmly against Romans of all stripes, there’s nothing stopping the UN from just branding her and the loyalists war criminals and deposing them, effectively dissolving the Roman monarchy and government and placing most of former Reich under direct, permanent UN supervision. And the worst thing is that no body would care about what’s basically a power grab, they’d welcome it if anything. After Persia opened the floodgates of anti Roman xenophobia with its deportation of the Romans, there’s no closing it now, as anybody with an axe to grind at the Romans will take the chance to swing it. Thus they following in China and Persia’s footsteps when comes to a hatred for the Reich and all Romans, even loyalists.
It's really unfortunate that despite all of the hope and optimism Wilhelmina has, her dreams will probably never be realized because the rest of the world so strongly desires retribution and has no desire to end the cycle of hate, revenge, and violence.
 
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It's really unfortunate that despite all of the hope and optimism Wilhelmina has, her dreams will probably never be realized because the rest of the world so strongly desires retribution and has no desire to end the cycle of hate, revenge, and violence.
This. Either The Reich Militarizes into an Environmentalist Dictatorship, and barely stays on top, or Wilhelma watches as she sees the Reich falls, and The Germans hating Willhelma once Jerusalem falls.
 
Since we recently discussed the idea of nations fading away in favor of a global union government, I wonder if the same would be true with a lot of forms of capitalism after this war, since you can’t really have a global free market with a ton of countries becoming dictatorship or poisonous, irradiated wastelands. Plus there’s the possibility that capitalism could become associated with Jerusalem as well via Theodor.

Also, since Wilson was discredited after just two years in office and thus probably wouldn’t have the same influence as Thatcher and Reagan, I wonder if Neoliberalism would catch on here to the same extent as OTL? The Roman political and economic system I would say is much closer to German style welfare capitalism than the Anglo-American system, through the Roman political establishment before 2030 definitely had echoes of the later.
 
Since we recently discussed the idea of nations fading away in favor of a global union government, I wonder if the same would be true with a lot of forms of capitalism after this war, since you can’t really have a global free market with a ton of countries becoming dictatorship or poisonous, irradiated wastelands. Plus there’s the possibility that capitalism could become associated with Jerusalem as well via Theodor.
Capitalism will certainly be looked at in a more critical light, but it won't completely die out. There will still be a place for markets and free trade, this time with more regulations and safeguards to avoid the excesses that led to and propped up Jerusalem. Alternative economic models would also regain popularity. Perhaps that's why there are neo-equalists in Southeast Asia right now.
Also, since Wilson was discredited after just two years in office and thus probably wouldn’t have the same influence as Thatcher and Reagan, I wonder if Neoliberalism would catch on here to the same extent as OTL? The Roman political and economic system I would say is much closer to German style welfare capitalism than the Anglo-American system, through the Roman political establishment before 2030 definitely had echoes of the later.
I'd say our Kohl was pretty neoliberal, since he did embrace nationalism and a whole host of other things that led to the Reich in the 1990s and 2000s becoming more like real life America. Still, there was a robust welfare state and extensive social services like you'd see in real life Europe.
 
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Capitalism will certainly be looked at in a more critical light, but it won't completely die out. There will still be a place for markets and free trade, this time with more regulations and safeguards to avoid the excesses that led to and propped up Jerusalem. Alternative economic models would also regain popularity. Perhaps that's why there are neo-equalists in Southeast Asia right now.

I'd say our Kohl was pretty neoliberal, since he did embrace nationalism and a whole host of other things that led to the Reich in the 1990s and 2000s becoming more like real life America. Still, there was a robust welfare state and extensive social services like you'd see in real life Europe.
I think Singapore style state capitalism or other economic models between socialism and capitalism could become a popular alternative for many countries rebuilding their industries and economies after this war, since liberal, laissez faire, free markets probably won’t work out too well in a post apocalyptic world. Unfortunately, like with Singapore, I could see many countries also moving away from liberal democracy or mertiocracy for simlar reasons, due to the challenges of the post apocalypse, especially since most countries are in a even worst position now then Singapore was when gaining its independence.

Schroder (and maybe Merkel too due to Obama and Hilary influences) was heavily neoliberal as well, through that was probably due to the Bush analogues. Still, with Schroder being from the left wing SPR, I feel like he should be closer to Tony Blair or even OTL Schroder than Bush, though I do like the idea of him acting contrary to his own ideals and his party’s platform and becoming more right wing and imperialistic due to being a Sentinel puppet.

Edit: the imperialism and neoliberalism actually seems to be on brand for Schroder without Sentinel influence, since his wikipedia page tells me that he has lobbied for and has heavy ties to Putin’s regime and attempted to cutback on the welfare state in an economic policy he collaborated with Blair on.

Also I just noticed a couple typos on the last update, so I’ll give you a heads up here with the quotes below.
“Yeah, that’s true,” Josh said, “But I’ve heard a few things through the grapevine. To borrow your words, I think I can safely say we’re the same now.”

Josh nodded. “I guess so.”
but he killed her, keepoing you on your path.

Our recent talk of Germans and Greeks being deported from places like France, Poland, and the Middle East by either newly independent nations or the UN reminds me of one of the ATLA comics, The Promise, where Fire Nation former colonies in the Earth Kingdom resist being annexed into the Earth Kingdom and the repartition of Fire Nation citizens. Unlike that comic through, which has a peaceful outcome that leads to the establishment of the United Republic in LOK, I could see post Jerusalem situation in Europe being very violent as long oppressed people like the French retaliate against their old oppressors in the Germans, with the help and encouragement of the rest of the world.

Speaking of LOK, since you referenced some of the more critical videos reacting to the show in your LOK video and made your dislike of those videos quite clear, what are your thoughts on some of the other popular Korra video essays on YouTube, in particular the Kay And Skittles videos that Hello Future Me responded to (including Kay’s own response to Hello Future Me) since you included that about Amon’s group not being a direct parallel to Equalism/Communism in the summaries as a joke?

I also feel like should meritocracy and democracy return to the Reich and China, there should be term limits placed on the office of chancellors as well, not only to prevent the executive branch from chipping away at checks and balances, but also because long and continuous term lengths possibly doomed Roman meritocracy and Chinese democracy. It feels like Tsai and Merkel’s long terms in office are the ultimate symbols of stagnating liberal institutions that led to shimmering nationalist tensions and anger growing amongst the people towards the elite and establishment that finally exploded in the 2030s, since both countries pretty much had an entrenched party cartel, to borrow Thierry’s words, that didn’t see much change and became calcified, especially in the face of major crises like climate change and the Sentinel scandal. In sort, the whole idea of an eternal chancellor could give people bad memories of the old liberal regimes that spawned Han and Jerusalem through their stagnation, gridlock, and corruption.
 
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I think Singapore style state capitalism or other economic models between socialism and capitalism could become a popular alternative for many countries rebuilding their industries and economies after this war, since liberal, laissez faire, free markets probably won’t work out too well in a post apocalyptic world. Unfortunately, like with Singapore, I could see many countries also moving away from liberal democracy or mertiocracy for simlar reasons, due to the challenges of the post apocalypse, especially since most countries are in a even worst position now then Singapore was when gaining its independence.
That might work for smaller nations, but bigger ones like Persia might remain capitalist but adopt autarky out of necessity due to a lack of trading partners. In extreme cases, their people might raid nearby lands that are either uninhabited or without authority to gather resources from abandoned cities.
Schroder (and maybe Merkel too due to Obama and Hilary influences) was heavily neoliberal as well, through that was probably due to the Bush analogues. Still, with Schroder being from the left wing SPR, I feel like he should be closer to Tony Blair or even OTL Schroder than Bush, though I do like the idea of him acting contrary to his own ideals and his party’s platform and becoming more right wing and imperialistic due to being a Sentinel puppet.
I did try to give him some Tony Blair attributes.
Edit: the imperialism and neoliberalism actually seems to be on brand for Schroder without Sentinel influence, since his wikipedia page tells me that he has lobbied for and has heavy ties to Putin’s regime and attempted to cutback on the welfare state in an economic policy he collaborated with Blair on.
Yeah, what Schröder does for the Reich in the 2000s would be on brand for the OTL him, even without Sentinel.
Also I just noticed a couple typos on the last update, so I’ll give you a heads up here with the quotes below.
Done.
Our recent talk of Germans and Greeks being deported from places like France, Poland, and the Middle East by either newly independent nations or the UN reminds me of one of the ATLA comics, The Promise, where Fire Nation former colonies in the Earth Kingdom resist being annexed into the Earth Kingdom and the repartition of Fire Nation citizens. Unlike that comic through, which has a peaceful outcome that leads to the establishment of the United Republic in LOK, I could see post Jerusalem situation in Europe being very violent as long oppressed people like the French retaliate against their old oppressors in the Germans, with the help and encouragement of the rest of the world.
I see the world dividing into two camps: those who encourage the violence as justice, and those who are too far away or occupied with their own matters to meaningfully do anything.
Speaking of LOK, since you referenced some of the more critical videos reacting to the show in your LOK video and made your dislike of those videos quite clear, what are your thoughts on some of the other popular Korra video essays on YouTube, in particular the Kay And Skittles videos that Hello Future Me responded to (including Kay’s own response to Hello Future Me) since you included that about Amon’s group not being a direct parallel to Equalism/Communism in the summaries as a joke?
I’ve generally stayed away from Korra video essays lately since I got really burned out watching all of those debunkings of the hate videos during my research. For that matter, these days I try to stay away from the ATLA fandom in general since Korra hate will inevitably come up in nearly every conversation and I’m too tired to deal with it anymore. It’s demoralizing seeing the stuff you love be constantly hated on everywhere you go, and it really ate away at me because I can’t help but think that I myself am stupid for still liking Korra and other Internet-controversial content when “clearly” so many others online don’t. I understand HFM has some legitimate criticisms, and I do as well, but I don’t feel like watching his videos about it. I get a knee-jerk gut reaction every time I see a video titled “fixing LOK” or “LOK is a disaster/mess/disgrace” even if it could be clickbait or whatever. I know I literally did the former before in this thread but I tried to explain how it was just my take and not intended to be “better” than the original. In fact, there are parts of it I’d say are worse or that I’d personally not like if they happened in OTL, such as the heavier inclusion and plot relevance of ATLA characters and Wu not establishing a republic. also Blue Spirit Wu is cursed

This is also present to some extent in the Fire Emblem series, particularly FE7’s post (the one with Lyn). I changed the entire plot because at that moment I was picking apart the various plot holes and questionable writing choices that don’t hold up under scrutiny in the original game and looked up various story analysis/criticism videos to help with research. In the end, that criticism became the center of the final post, superseding what ideas I personally had in a desire to “fix” the entire narrative. It could easily have happened to the Korra posts too, though I’m glad they took the Awakening/Alyssa route in the end.

What it boils down to I’m tired of being angry and want to stay positive for my own mental state. It’s hard enough already when I’m in the middle of a bleak war arc full of atrocities, cynicism, pessimism, and evil people being rewarded for their evil. I don’t want people to get the wrong idea about me, that I’m some edgelord who likes endless suffering and rage. I hated writing all of those scenes with Chris and Rahul and Oskar and Jared Karasi and all of Jerusalem’s other victims, not only because they’re based on things that happened in real life but because I could write and post them at all. I don’t want to be only known for the shocking horrors of this arc. I don’t want to drag myself down into a further cycle of despair and cynicism, so I don’t want to get involved with toxic fandom controversies anymore than I have to. It’s demoralizing and mentally exhausting and I’m too tired to deal with it anymore.

Maybe that’s the reason I like JRPGs so much, they generally have very clear messages of hope and optimism in the end.

Sorry for the long rant, I had to get that out there.
I also feel like should meritocracy and democracy return to the Reich and China, there should be term limits placed on the office of chancellors as well, not only to prevent the executive branch from chipping away at checks and balances, but also because long and continuous term lengths possibly doomed Roman meritocracy and Chinese democracy. It feels like Tsai and Merkel’s long terms in office are the ultimate symbols of stagnating liberal institutions that led to shimmering nationalist tensions and anger growing amongst the people towards the elite and establishment that finally exploded in the 2030s, since both countries pretty much had an entrenched party cartel, to borrow Thierry’s words, that didn’t see much change and became calcified, especially in the face of major crises like climate change and the Sentinel scandal. In sort, the whole idea of an eternal chancellor could give people bad memories of the old liberal regimes that spawned Han and Jerusalem through their stagnation, gridlock, and corruption.
Merkel and Tsai’s long terms were so stagnant for many that they became willing to embrace any change, no matter how disastrous. The Sentinel scandal was merely the straw that broke the camel’s back and unleashed that pent-up frustration.
 
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I love the conversation between Alex and Josh. Although I agree that Josh should be punished I do feel like this talk will allow both of them to potently burry move on with their lives.

I’ve generally stayed away from Korra video essays lately since I got really burned out watching all of those debunkings of the hate videos during my research. For that matter, these days I try to stay away from the ATLA fandom in general since Korra hate will inevitably come up in nearly every conversation and I’m too tired to deal with it anymore. It’s demoralizing seeing the stuff you love be constantly hated on everywhere you go, and it really ate away at me because I can’t help but think that I myself am stupid for still liking Korra and other Internet-controversial content when “clearly” so many others online don’t. I understand HFM has some legitimate criticisms, and I do as well, but I don’t feel like watching his videos about it. I get a knee-jerk gut reaction every time I see a video titled “fixing LOK” or “LOK is a disaster/mess/disgrace” even if it could be clickbait or whatever. I know I literally did the former before in this thread but I tried to explain how it was just my take and not intended to be “better” than the original. In fact, there are parts of it I’d say are worse or that I’d personally not like if they happened in OTL, such as the heavier inclusion and plot relevance of ATLA characters and Wu not establishing a republic. also Blue Spirit Wu is cursed

This is also present to some extent in the Fire Emblem series, particularly FE7’s post (the one with Lyn). I changed the entire plot because at that moment I was picking apart the various plot holes and questionable writing choices that don’t hold up under scrutiny in the original game and looked up various story analysis/criticism videos to help with research. In the end, that criticism became the center of the final post, superseding what ideas I personally had in a desire to “fix” the entire narrative. It could easily have happened to the Korra posts too, though I’m glad they took the Awakening/Alyssa route in the end.

What it boils down to I’m tired of being angry and want to stay positive for my own mental state. It’s hard enough already when I’m in the middle of a bleak war arc full of atrocities, cynicism, pessimism, and evil people being rewarded for their evil. I don’t want people to get the wrong idea about me, that I’m some edgelord who likes endless suffering and rage. I hated writing all of those scenes with Chris and Rahul and Oskar and Jared Karasi and all of Jerusalem’s other victims, not only because they’re based on things that happened in real life but because I could write and post them at all. I don’t want to be only known for the shocking horrors of this arc. I don’t want to drag myself down into a further cycle of despair and cynicism, so I don’t want to get involved with toxic fandom controversies anymore than I have to. It’s demoralizing and mentally exhausting and I’m too tired to deal with it anymore.

Maybe that’s the reason I like JRPGs so much, they generally have very clear messages of hope and optimism in the end.

Sorry for the long rant, I had to get that out there.
That's okay. I remember reading a Naruto/Avatar crossover fanfic that is set after Omashu with a sequel set in Korra. Both fics pretty much followed the plot of LAB and Korra so you could follow along but added more characters and some new stuff. The Korra part of the story was pretty enjoyable so I guess I am with you on liking Korra. That being said I am interested in how those haters are going to react when the new Avatar series flowing the Earth Avatar and having their version of 1990's tech potentially comes out in 2025?
 
I love the conversation between Alex and Josh. Although I agree that Josh should be punished I do feel like this talk will allow both of them to potently burry move on with their lives.
This talk feels more for Alex himself than it is for Josh. While Josh probably won’t change anytime soon, Alex can get closure by confronting his demons and hopefully push forward despite everything that’s happening.
That's okay. I remember reading a Naruto/Avatar crossover fanfic that is set after Omashu with a sequel set in Korra. Both fics pretty much followed the plot of LAB and Korra so you could follow along but added more characters and some new stuff. The Korra part of the story was pretty enjoyable so I guess I am with you on liking Korra.
Sounds cool. Crossovers are always neat to see as long as both sides are represented accurately. I’ve been searching for that with Stargate/BSG crossovers with little luck. All but two of them twist the BSG side into being religious zealots and war criminals to justify a war with the Stargate side. And those two were abandoned and forgotten pretty early on.
That being said I am interested in how those haters are going to react when the new Avatar series flowing the Earth Avatar and having their version of 1990's tech potentially comes out in 2025?
If the show is good, they’ll use it to further hate on Korra with the same reasons as before as a contrast between “good” and “bad” writing. If it’s average or bad, they’ll start hating it with the same arguments as with Korra by drawing a comparison between their “bad” writing. It’s kind of a lose-lose situation with Korra since the haters have long since made up their minds. There will certainly be legitimate criticisms, and I probably will have some as well. The setting won’t be one of them, even though others will complain like usual since it’s not ATLA-era steampunk fantasy. That’s fine, as long as it comes down to personal preference. I’ve seen haters argue the Western industrial influences betray the Eastern setting, implying that Eastern societies have to be only portrayed in a pre-industrial setting in order to be realistic.

I’m honestly scared of the ATLA fandom.
 
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I’ve generally stayed away from Korra video essays lately since I got really burned out watching all of those debunkings of the hate videos during my research. For that matter, these days I try to stay away from the ATLA fandom in general since Korra hate will inevitably come up in nearly every conversation and I’m too tired to deal with it anymore. It’s demoralizing seeing the stuff you love be constantly hated on everywhere you go, and it really ate away at me because I can’t help but think that I myself am stupid for still liking Korra and other Internet-controversial content when “clearly” so many others online don’t. I understand HFM has some legitimate criticisms, and I do as well, but I don’t feel like watching his videos about it. I get a knee-jerk gut reaction every time I see a video titled “fixing LOK” or “LOK is a disaster/mess/disgrace” even if it could be clickbait or whatever. I know I literally did the former before in this thread but I tried to explain how it was just my take and not intended to be “better” than the original. In fact, there are parts of it I’d say are worse or that I’d personally not like if they happened in OTL, such as the heavier inclusion and plot relevance of ATLA characters and Wu not establishing a republic. also Blue Spirit Wu is cursed

This is also present to some extent in the Fire Emblem series, particularly FE7’s post (the one with Lyn). I changed the entire plot because at that moment I was picking apart the various plot holes and questionable writing choices that don’t hold up under scrutiny in the original game and looked up various story analysis/criticism videos to help with research. In the end, that criticism became the center of the final post, superseding what ideas I personally had in a desire to “fix” the entire narrative. It could easily have happened to the Korra posts too, though I’m glad they took the Awakening/Alyssa route in the end.

What it boils down to I’m tired of being angry and want to stay positive for my own mental state. It’s hard enough already when I’m in the middle of a bleak war arc full of atrocities, cynicism, pessimism, and evil people being rewarded for their evil. I don’t want people to get the wrong idea about me, that I’m some edgelord who likes endless suffering and rage. I hated writing all of those scenes with Chris and Rahul and Oskar and Jared Karasi and all of Jerusalem’s other victims, not only because they’re based on things that happened in real life but because I could write and post them at all. I don’t want to be only known for the shocking horrors of this arc. I don’t want to drag myself down into a further cycle of despair and cynicism, so I don’t want to get involved with toxic fandom controversies anymore than I have to. It’s demoralizing and mentally exhausting and I’m too tired to deal with it anymore.

Maybe that’s the reason I like JRPGs so much, they generally have very clear messages of hope and optimism in the end.

Sorry for the long rant, I had to get that out there.
If the show is good, they’ll use it to further hate on Korra with the same reasons as before as a contrast between “good” and “bad” writing. If it’s average or bad, they’ll start hating it with the same arguments as with Korra by drawing a comparison between their “bad” writing. It’s kind of a lose-lose situation with Korra since the haters have long since made up their minds. There will certainly be legitimate criticisms, and I probably will have some as well. The setting won’t be one of them, even though others will complain like usual since it’s not ATLA-era steampunk fantasy. That’s fine, as long as it comes down to personal preference. I’ve seen haters argue the Western industrial influences betray the Eastern setting, implying that Eastern societies have to be only portrayed in a pre-industrial setting in order to be realistic.

I’m honestly scared of the ATLA fandom.
Fair enough. I honestly haven’t watched most LOK video essays either. I was mainly asking because I remember some people taking some problems with the show’s depiction of political ideologies, like the leftist symbolism of Amon’s group and Zaher’s anarchism, saying that the show has a limited neo liberal understanding of those ideologies, that’s the gist I get IIRC.

Admittedly, some of your older cultural content, like the Star Wars Prequels, do seem to be more focused on fixing problems with the original stories (even though there‘s stuff in those summaries that wouldn’t work in OTL) now that I look back on them, so I’m happy with this new approach you’ve been taking since the FE and LOK updates and find it better.

And look on the bright side, perhaps there could be some fans that could see the merits of LOK if the new show ends up bad, kinda what happened with, excuse me for this comparasion, the Star Wars Prequel and Sequel trilogies.

Anyways, I’m going to move away from these Korra disscusions about OTL’s reaction to it now for your sake Zen, I hope these don’t put too much stress on you and I apologize if it did.

Onto another topic, I wonder if TTL DCEU would have something like the Synder Cut for a couple of its films? Perhaps you could use that as an in universe reason to revisit your DC updates if you feel like it.
 
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Fair enough. I honestly haven’t watched most LOK video essays either. I was mainly asking because I remember some people taking some problems with the show’s depiction of political ideologies, like the leftist symbolism of Amon’s group and Zaher’s anarchism, saying that the show has a limited neo liberal understanding of those ideologies, that’s the gist I get IIRC.
Admittedly, the villains’ ideologies aren’t a one to one representation of real world ideologies, and it’s quite clear if you look at them closely. Amon uses a lot of OTL left wing symbolism and talks about a revolution of the nonbenders against the perceived bending ruling class, but he doesn’t say anything about redistribution of wealth or seizing the means of production for the working class. I really don’t expect a kids’ show, no matter how good, to have an extremely detailed understanding of Marxism. Zaheer’s anarchism is mainly there on the surface level with the whole “kill all political leaders” thing, and maybe that’s the point because Books 3-4 directly show how Zaheer is extremely shortsighted and didn’t think too much beyond that, leading to Kuvira. Kuvira’s authoritarianism does take a lot from the likes of Chiang Kai-Shek and Napoleon in OTL, but it’s used as a vehicle to draw parallels between Korra in Book 1 and Book 4, since Kuvira does act like Korea used to, and this authoritarianism is what happens when that personality is given unchecked power.

The most popular Korra hate video I’ve seen, though, argues that Zaheer is a badly written villain solely because the video creator personally hates anarchism in real life.
Admittedly, some of your older cultural content, like the Star Wars Prequels, do seem to be more focused on fixing problems with the original stories (even though there‘s stuff in those summaries that wouldn’t work in OTL) now that I look back on them, so I’m happy with this new approach you’ve been taking since the FE and LOK updates and find it better.
Yeah, the Star Trek ones were the most egregious and the ones I want to rewrite the most, since I no longer agree with the majority of my “fixes.” Doctor Who as well to some extent since I did take heavy inspiration from an AlternareHistory forum post I read a long time ago.
And look on the bright side, perhaps there could be some fans that could see the merits of LOK if the new show ends up bad, kinda what happened with, excuse me for this comparasion, the Star Wars Prequel and Sequel trilogies.
But then I’d have to deal with haters of the new show, who’d probably still hate Korra. It’s like how most people still hate both the Star Wars prequels and sequels.
Anyways, I’m going to move away from these Korra disscusions about OTL’s reaction to it now for your sake Zen, I hope these don’t put too much stress on you and I apologize if it did.
It’s fine.
Onto another topic, I wonder if TTL DCEU would have something like the Synder Cut for a couple of its films? Perhaps you could use that as an in universe reason to revisit your DC updates if you feel like it.
Not sure about that, I’m still satisfied for the most part with how they are, although they could definitely use some improvements.
 
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Repositioning, Part 3

Hamedan

Thea pulled herself up in her hospital bede. That only put pressure on her legs and caused pain to flare up there. “Ow!”

That prompted August to appear. “Thea, how many times do I have to tell you to not move?”

“I’m adjusting myself!” Thea said.

“You can’t fool me again. I know you’re pulling yourself up so you can write something.”

“Can you blame me? I need to work!”

“And as your doctor, I’m ordering you to get some rest,” August said, “Work’s not going to mean anything if you die.”

“Everybody’s busting their butts doing so much, though,” Thea said, “Börte’s planning that Baku operation, Izinchi’s organizing a new government, Julian’s doing something in Isfahan, Alexandra and Magnus are helping with technical stuff, even Alex is helping out in his own way while he’s in prison. But here I am, stuck in a hospital bed, unable to even walk without someone’s help. I feel like I’m completely useless.”

“You’ll be completely useless if you die,” August said, “Think of it as an investment in your future. People are counting on you to get better so you can help them later. You don’t have to help right now. Don’t stress yourself.”

“I know, I know, but I can’t shake the feeling that I have to do something,” Thea said, “Maybe I should read a book. Brush up on a few topics.”

“Good idea,” August said, “I’ll search the library for anything that might interest you.”

“Thanks, August,” Thea said, “I appreciate it.”

August left the room. Several minutes later, he unexpectedly returned with a package in his hands.

“August?” Thea said. “Why are you back so soon?”

“Funny story,” August said, “So I ran into this deliveryman just outside the infirmary who insisted he had a package for you.”

“I don’t remember ordering anything, though,” Thea said.

“Same here.”

“So why’d you bring the package to me?”

August walked closer and showed the shipping label to her. “Because it says it’s from Diana Frank.”

Surely enough, the sender’s name was printed as Diana Frank. Thea’s eyes widened. “Alex’s mom? But she’s been dead for nine years.”

“The deliveryman also handed me this letter.” August held up a letter. “I read it and…well, I think you should read it for yourself too.”

He put the letter into Thea’s hand and gently moved it closer to her face. Deciding she had nothing better to do, Thea started reading it. It was handwritten, a extra rarity in these times. Not many people still sent paper letters, and those who did rarely wrote them by hand too. But apparently Diana did. Thea hadn’t met Diana too many times before she died, but she had seen her handwriting before, and this was a perfect match.

Hello August.

This might come as a shock to you, receiving this letter from me out of the blue in a random town in Mesopotamia nine years after my death. No doubt you’re confused as to why that deliveryman handed you a package from the Kaiserliche Reichspost years after it became defunct. But I assure you, it will all be explained in due time. Or you’ll figure it out on your own. Now hand the letter over to Thea. Hello, Thea.


“What the hell?” Thea said.

“My thoughts exactly,” August said, “I thought it was a forgery at first, but…”

“Everything seems to add up?” Alex had told her that his mother, after solving one of her last X-Division cases, had begun seeing dreams of the future. They both had been skeptical at first, but then Thea saw for herself how Diana kept predicting minor events that were yet to happen in their lives. So she could see the future? I wonder how someone like that still couldn’t prevent her own death.

“Yeah,” August said, “It’s…uncanny. Want me to take that off your hands?”

“No, I think I’ll continue reading,” Thea said, “Could I have some privacy?”

“Sure. Let me know if you need anything.” August left.

Now that August’s gone, we can get to business. I know you have many questions, Thea. How am I writing this letter? Why are you getting it now? What does it have to do with your current predicament? How could I possibly know all this? And how did I see all this but still couldn’t prevent my own death? Well, I think you already have an idea.

If she could see the future, then perhaps there were certain things about the future that couldn’t be changed. Maybe her death was one of those fixed points.

That’s right on the money, Thea. Alex sure picks them well. He must get it from his dad.

Thea felt her cheeks heating up.

Anyways, I shouldn’t waste pen and paper on stuff like that. No, I’m here to talk about a few things that might help you.

“Okay, might as well,” Thea said.

Good to know we’re on the same page. First, some background. You heard from Alex about my…foresight. You were thinking about that earlier. So yeah, that’s what’s going on right now. For me, the date is May 16, 2029. Last month was the terrorist attack at the Uberbowl. More importantly, it was in the last few weeks that I began seeing incredibly detailed dreams about the immediate future. You see, my visions work in a certain way. The clearer I see them, the more set in stone they become. Something incredibly hazy might as well not happen, so I can change it however I want, but it’s difficult to figure out what exactly the event is. Perhaps it’s because that event isn’t really one event, but rather multiple hypothetical outcomes of the same event overlaid on top of each other. As the vision becomes clearer, the number of hypotheticals approaches 1. I can still change things in favor of the future I want, but it becomes harder. When the future becomes crystal clear, as if I’m actually living it, then I know it’s useless. That’s what happened when I saw my death. It was a fixed point in time that I could not avoid, no matter how hard I tried. However…

“You could plan around it,” Thea realized.

Exactly. There was much about the next ten years that I similarly couldn’t prevent—the deaths of Anders, Angela, Olga, Theresa, Franz, Joseph, Lisa; the rise of Jerusalem; the entire war; everything that just went down in Persia, among other things. I looked further and further ahead, trying to find a moment where I could influence things for the better. But as the years passed, everything got darker and darker. More resistant to change. And then I saw you and Alex, trying to make your way through the hell that the world has become. I regretted not being able to help you at all. What kind of mother has the power to help her son but is unable to do anything about it?

“Well, I suppose we figured it out ourselves,” Thea said, “We learned it all on our own without needing to rely on you.”

That’s true. However, I believe I have found a way to help out.

“Really?”

Yes. That is why you’re receiving this message today. The events leading up to today may have been set in stone, but there is some leeway in what happens afterward. There I can start helping out.

“How, Diana?”

So you’re heading to the Astrakhan region, right? A decent choice. Or rather, the least bad one. Compared to the surrounding regions, that place has only been razed and depopulated. The farmland is still intact, and so is the ecosystem. The people might have been scattered to the outer towns after Bielke destroyed the city proper on his way out, but they’re there. Problem is, you’ll have the same issues as with Hamedan and Isfahan.

“Right. It would be Persia all over again. So how do we avoid that?”

First, you make sure you survive to see your destination. You’re worried about food? Well, I think I may have something to address that issue. Open the package.

Thea was about to say she could not open a package with only one good arm, but to her surprise, the tape was arranged in such a way that there was a tag she could easily pull on to open it. The flaps popped up, revealing a book, several DVDs, and a portable DVD player. The book was titled Those Who Came Before: New Revelations on the Early History of Humanity. The author was someone named Amina Ngebe, a professor of anthropology at the University of Mali in Timbuktu. Thea noticed the date of publication: November 1, 2038. Talk about bad luck, Thea thought.

I met Amina thirty years ago on an X-Division case with Angie. We were in Westafrika investigating some crazy archaeologist who claimed he had evidence of the ancient astronauts conspiracy theory—the one where aliens guided our early evolution and cultural development. Obviously, we didn’t find anything proving that, but we did find something…out of place that recontextualized humanity’s early history. She spent the next thirty years traveling the world to gather more evidence like what we found in Westafrika, but such evidence was extremely rare owing to the timeframes we’re dealing with here—150,000 years for the good stuff. If you’re wondering about the original find in Westafrika…well, it fell into the ocean soon after our case concluded, and Amina didn’t have the equipment to search the area for a while. Also, underneath the book…

Thea looked underneath the book and saw an old notebook.

Those are Angie’s notes on the matter. She’s been compiling them for years and regularly sending them to Amina to help with her research. They were instrumental in helping us understand what language those guys spoke. Well, at least one or two of their major ones. They weren’t a monolith, same as us.

“Okay, you have been quite vague, but who exactly are ‘those guys’?” Thea asked.

Oh, right, I forgot to mention. I think the book does a better job of explaining it, but have a summary anyways. Human civilization is older than we currently think it is. Over a hundred thousand years ago, they built a civilization that reached out for the stars, but it all came crashing down. I’ll fill you in on the details when they become relevant, or you can read the book on your own time. Amina is looking for evidence of their existence, and after thirty years she’s found enough to fill up a book. But not everything they left behind is just a museum piece.

“You don’t mean…”

Yes. Some of their stuff might still work. Have you heard of the Finnish legend of the Sampo?


Several minutes later


Alexandra, Magnus, Gulichi, and Leyla gathered in the infirmary, listening to Thea’s explanation of Diana’s message.

“…and that’s when she told me to stop reading and explain it all to you,” Thea concluded.

“Let me get this straight,” Gulichi said, “A woman who died ten years ago now wants us to go all the way back to Takomaan on the off-chance we can find some mythological item that conveniently solves all of our problems?”

“Basically, yes.”

“I can’t say for sure that this is a hoax,” Alexandra said, “There’s no way Aunt Diana could’ve known Gulichi.”

“And mentioning the Sampo…” Gulichi said. “The myth itself is common knowledge, but how would she know our village’s specific variation of it? She even mentioned the island in the lake.”

“I think it would be best if we take someone out to investigate it,” Thea said, “It’s worth a shot.”

“Thea, as weird as this all is, I have to be reasonable,” Leyla said, “We can’t afford to send that many people out to the middle of nowhere for some object that might not even exist. Even if this letter is scarily accurate for something ten years old, the fact is we’re at our limits right now.”

“It doesn’t have to be that much,” Thea said, “Maybe just a single helicopter. I did the math. A fully fueled utility helicopter like the ones Operation Huma has will have enough range to reach Takomaan within a day at top speed. Once we reach the nearest suitable base, we’ll need another day to travel on foot to the village. We don’t need to take too many people with us. Maybe even just us and the pilot. Save space and weight for whatever we’re bringing back.”

If only Tania came with us.

“She has a point,” Magnus said.

“But we need everything we’ve got to take Baku,” Leyla said.

“We should be back within four or five days, at the maximum,” Thea said, “Should be in time for the Baku operation.”

“I say we go,” Magnus said, “It can’t hurt to investigate.”

“I’d also like to check up on how my home’s doing,” Gulichi said, “Wanted to do it for a while but never got the chance.”

“I’ll be your eyes and ears there, Thea,” Alexandra said, “Least I can do.”

“What about you, Leyla?” Thea said.

Leyla sighed. “Well, if Gulichi’s going, someone’s got to keep an eye out for him and the others. Sure.”

“Thanks, everyone,” Thea said, “I know this is a really strange request to make, but I really appreciate it.”

“I sure hope this trip’s worth it,” Leyla said.

“I hope so to, Leyla.”

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I’m renaming the Imperial Postal Service (or whatever I called it in the past) to the historical Kaiserliche Reichspost.
 
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Looks like the Loyalists are going to have a lot of progress. Jerusalem if the loyalists get what they desire is toast. Out with Jerusalem, In with The Worm Cult. Now Julian has actual stakes with this discussion. If Julian controls Persia, he can create a problem to keep the Persians from outright annexing Roman Land.
 
Looks like the Loyalists are going to have a lot of progress. Jerusalem if the loyalists get what they desire is toast. Out with Jerusalem, In with The Worm Cult. Now Julian has actual stakes with this discussion. If Julian controls Persia, he can create a problem to keep the Persians from outright annexing Roman Land.
I wouldn’t say it’s the Worm Cult. If it was, I would make it really obvious. At least by my standards.
 
Oh nice, Diana is using her foresight to help out our protagonists Doctor Who style from beyond the grave. A rare W from the Worm for giving her that ability.

I also hope the rest of the Sentinel Files regarding Aliens that X Division kept secret are still intact, ready to be released when the time comes.

I recall you said a streamer you watch finished played the mainline Danganronpa games awhile back, so I wonder if there’s any thing you would change about them, like perhaps the third cases of each game (Danganronpa’s third case syndrome is probably even worse than Ace Attorney’s third case syndrome tbh) and the controversial ending of V3. Also, even through it‘s an apolitical Japanese visual novel murder mystery series, I feel like there are some story elements in Danganronpa 2 that could work in universe as a criticsm of Roman meritocracy by the writers (Danganronpa 2 spoilers ahead) like Izure Kamakura/Hajime’s arc and Nagito’s unhinged obsession with talent.

I feel like a lot of provinces that want to break away from the Reich after what Jerusalem has done to them would probably shed off their Roman names, like Gallia and Caledonia, in favor of either their original names like France or Scotland, or just find different names all together.

Since you replaced the old Roman postal service with the OTL HRE one, I think it would be a good idea to replace that one highway over the Bosphorus in Constantinople you mentioned in the X Division arc with the OTL Bosphrous Bridge, in line with another discussion about making Roman cities more accurate to OTL rather than paralleling American cities. Also because it’s visually more impressive than a American style highway.
 
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Oh nice, Diana is using her foresight to help out our protagonists Doctor Who style from beyond the grave. A rare W from the Worm for giving her that ability.
You can’t spell Worm without W.:p
I also hope the rest of the Sentinel Files regarding Aliens that X Division kept secret are still intact, ready to be released when the time comes.
You’ll just have to wait and see.
I recall you said a streamer you watch finished played the mainline Danganronpa games awhile back
Honestly, I haven’t been following them recently since they’re currently covering games I have little interest in, and some commentary for games I did play really rubbed me the wrong way.
so I wonder if there’s any thing you would change about them, like perhaps the third cases of each game (Danganronpa’s third case syndrome is probably even worse than Ace Attorney’s third case syndrome tbh) and the controversial ending of V3. Also, even through it‘s an apolitical Japanese visual novel murder mystery series, I feel like there are some story elements in Danganronpa 2 that could work in universe as a criticsm of Roman meritocracy by the writers
I’m not too invested in Danganronpa and just followed the streams for character interactions and funny moments, so I wouldn’t know what to change about their cases or whatever. As you say, it’s very much apolitical and disconnected from real society, so I don’t see what would be changed by being in this universe.
I feel like a lot of provinces that want to break away from the Reich after what Jerusalem has done to them would probably shed off their Roman names, like Gallia and Caledonia, in favor of either their original names like France or Scotland, or just find different names all together.
That is a very likely scenario.
Since you replaced the old Roman postal service with the OTL HRE one, I think it would be a good idea to replace that one highway over the Bosphorus in Constantinople you mentioned in the X Division arc with the OTL Bosphrous Bridge, in line with another discussion about making Roman cities more accurate to OTL rather than paralleling American cities. Also because it’s visually more impressive than a American style highway.
Yeah, after researching the geography of the city for TESB, I’m inclined to move the location of the bridge to one of the OTL locations from where I previously envisioned it at the tip of the old town near the Great Palace and Hippodrome.
 
It must be difficult writing a note with the intent that you know the reader will stop to ponder it, going so far as to include a response before continuing.
 
It must be difficult writing a note with the intent that you know the reader will stop to ponder it, going so far as to include a response before continuing.
Not so hard when you can see the future in relatively clear detail and know how the reader is going to react.
 
You can’t spell Worm without W.:p
Just like how Jerusalem has taken so many Ls you can’t even spell Jerusalem without a common L.:p
Honestly, I haven’t been following them recently since they’re currently covering games I have little interest in, and some commentary for games I did play really rubbed me the wrong way.
I’m not too invested in Danganronpa and just followed the streams for character interactions and funny moments, so I wouldn’t know what to change about their cases or whatever. As you say, it’s very much apolitical and disconnected from real society, so I don’t see what would be changed by being in this universe.
I understand. Speaking of murder mystery visual novels though, I know I’ve asked about Ace Attorney a couple times now and you haven’t played/watch all the games yet, but I’m still inclined to ask how it would reflect on the Chinese legal system, which is the real topic I’m curious about here, since we we once discussed Ace Attorney here being based more on Roman style civil law than Anglo-American common law, even though the games satirizes and exaggerates the Japanese legal system where the convictions rate is high (also the Judge being a main character sounds weird and cursed ngl. :p)

You once told me in a PM how you plan on swaping out the Mark with the more historical Thaler, and I agree that’s a good idea. One idea I came up through is the Thaler being the currency of the Anninaverse and the Hohenzollernverse still using the Mark, since I recall the Annionaverse X Division not knowing what a Mark was. As for what currency the Reich could use in CK2, since both the Mark and Thaler were introduced after CK2‘s timeframe, maybe the Gulden or Byzantine coinage?
 
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Thea pulled herself up in her hospital bede. That only put pressure on her legs and caused pain to flare up there. “Ow!”

That prompted August to appear. “Thea, how many times do I have to tell you to not move?”
I always find it interesting how when you are in the hospital and you try to move a doctor or nurse comes in almost immediately. I know in some rooms they have beds that have sensors but I still fell like they have eyes in the back of their head. :D

Good to know we’re on the same page. First, some background. You heard from Alex about my…foresight. You were thinking about that earlier. So yeah, that’s what’s going on right now. For me, the date is May 16, 2029. Last month was the terrorist attack at the Uberbowl. More importantly, it was in the last few weeks that I began seeing incredibly detailed dreams about the immediate future. You see, my visions work in a certain way. The clearer I see them, the more set in stone they become. Something incredibly hazy might as well not happen, so I can change it however I want, but it’s difficult to figure out what exactly the event is. Perhaps it’s because that event isn’t really one event, but rather multiple hypothetical outcomes of the same event overlaid on top of each other. As the vision becomes clearer, the number of hypotheticals approaches 1. I can still change things in favor of the future I want, but it becomes harder. When the future becomes crystal clear, as if I’m actually living it, then I know it’s useless. That’s what happened when I saw my death. It was a fixed point in time that I could not avoid, no matter how hard I tried. However…
This feels like a version of the Hohenzollern force ghost.

Oh, right, I forgot to mention. I think the book does a better job of explaining it, but have a summary anyways. Human civilization is older than we currently think it is. Over a hundred thousand years ago, they built a civilization that reached out for the stars, but it all came crashing down. I’ll fill you in on the details when they become relevant, or you can read the book on your own time. Amina is looking for evidence of their existence, and after thirty years she’s found enough to fill up a book. But not everything they left behind is just a museum piece.
This is interesting. I would have thought that you would have not reintroduced Ancient Humanity until stellaris?

Yes. Some of their stuff might still work. Have you heard of the Finnish legend of the Sampo?
I like that you are using different mythologies to weave into the Ancient Humans and not just the "traditional" Anunnaki ones.

That being said it makes me wonder about other mythologies. One of them being one I heard in a class I took in University about the Geology of US National Parks. It was of a group of Native Americans in the South West that believed that one day their gods were punished and made into stone leading to the stone pillars of the modern day park. This got me wondering if in TTL stories like that and ones like the old Norse Gods were really related to Ancient Humans?
 
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Just like how Jerusalem has taken so many Ls you can’t even spell Jerusalem without a common L.:p
And you can't spell China with either a W or an L, so...
I understand. Speaking of murder mystery visual novels though, I know I’ve asked about Ace Attorney a couple times now and you haven’t played/watch all the games yet, but I’m still inclined to ask how it would reflect on the Chinese legal system, which is the real topic I’m curious about here, since we we once discussed Ace Attorney here being based more on Roman style civil law than Anglo-American common law, even though the games satirizes and exaggerates the Japanese legal system where the convictions rate is high (also the Judge being a main character sounds weird and cursed ngl. :p)
Not gonna lie, I probably have to walk back some of my early discussion ideas, since I don't see Phoenix Wright or the other protagonists being judges. Still, it seems like the games don't delve too deeply into common law concepts like judicial precedence aside from lawyers being extremely important. Since civil law puts more power on the judge to make the final verdict, perhaps there would be a mechanic where Phoenix needs to convince the judge more about his argument.
You once told me in a PM how you plan on swaping out the Mark with the more historical Thaler, and I agree that’s a good idea. One idea I came up through is the Thaler being the currency of the Anninaverse and the Hohenzollernverse still using the Mark, since I recall the Annionaverse X Division not knowing what a Mark was. As for what currency the Reich could use in CK2, since both the Mark and Thaler were introduced after CK2‘s timeframe, maybe the Gulden or Byzantine coinage?
The issue with that is Dragoon very clearly specified that the currency of the Annionaverse Reich is the Annon, and that hasn't changed. I only want to change the Hohenzollernverse Reich's currency to thaler because the mark comes from Prussia long after the medieval era is over, while the thaler is a little older but with Wilhelm's time travel can be introduced in the 11th century.
I always find it interesting how when you are in the hospital and you try to move a doctor or nurse comes in almost immediately. I know in some rooms they have beds that have sensors but I still fell like they have eyes in the back of their head. :D
Haha
This feels like a version of the Hohenzollern force ghost.
But with an explanation this time!
This is interesting. I would have thought that you would have not reintroduced Ancient Humanity until stellaris?
No, I want to start setting it up earlier than that.
I like that you are using different mythologies to weave into the Ancient Humans and not gust the "traditional" Anunnaki ones.
Yeah, most people just go the route of Annunaki, Norse gods, Goa'uld Egyptian gods, the Greco-Roman gods, or whatever, but I wanted to avoid the common tropes. Not only would it be more realistic, since people come up with mythologies and pantheons all the time with barely any root in real events, but also more respectful to the original beliefs. Much of the time, these kinds of advanced precursor civilization or ancient astronaut theories have nationalistic and racist undertones, in that certain peoples can't come up with mythologies or culture on their own and had to be given it by some outside group that was then worshipped as gods. It also falls into the fallacy that every single myth has to have its roots in something that happened, which isn't usually the case. Myths emerge as a way to explain how the world works or to teach certain morals/warnings. Nobody asks what historical event Cinderella is based on. But that's not to say there aren't myths inspired by real events. Native Americans in Oregon came up with a myth of gods fighting to explain how Crater Lake exists as it does, which historians linked to a particularly violent eruption of the volcano thousands of years ago.

My goal here is to draw on lesser known mythologies to depict the ancient humans, in addition to the proto-Indo-European I drew on before. I don't want to have all of those myths be inspired by ancient humans or their stuff, but some of it can be, while others are things people came up with themselves. The ancient humans also would have their own religions and mythologies, but that doesn't necessarily mean they also had their own precursor civilization where they got everything from. That does a disservice to human creativity.
That being said it makes me wonder about other mythologies. One of them being one I heard in a class I took in University about the Geology of US National Parks. It was of a group of Native Americans in the South West that believed that one day their gods were punished and made into stone leading to the stone pillars of the modern day park. This got me wondering if in TTL stories like that and ones like the old Norse Gods were really related to Ancient Humans?
It would have to be quite limited since 150,000 years ago humanity was still mainly in Africa, with some populations in Europe and Asia not having made it too far in due to heavy glaciation. That was probably the biggest issue I ran into when coming up with the civilization, since after their demise they'd probably have left some remains—both their bodies and settlements—where they lived. The compromise I came up with is that they had only started settling the New World in their "modern" age because the erratic climate and glaciation of the era forced them to focus on Africa, Europe, and Asia. Perhaps a few ruins survived the collapse and later survived the thousands of years to be rediscovered by Native Americans, who attributed them to gods. I do have plans to touch on Hopi and Aztec mythology since there are a lot of interesting ideas in the cosmology, namely the 4-5 worlds/suns, that I could use.

As for the Old World, I want to again stress that I don't want every single myth or pantheon to be based in real events or people. It's generally more realistic that they emerged as people needed to explain how the world works or teach lessons to their children. One idea is that the proto-Indo-European core that I've so far associated with them is itself one of the ancient humans' religions, or at least parts of it. The "Hensus" part that would later be passed down as Aesir would be added into the mythology by future peoples who learned of the precursors' beliefs, and those future peoples would've added their own beliefs and myths into the core to get what we'd recognize today. So there wouldn't be any human who inspired the proto-Indo-European Dyeus which would later evolve into Zeus, Jupiter, Tyr, and the Abrahamic god, but Dyeus the god would have always existed. Still, there would be some myths I'd like to make historical, though the actual events wouldn't be one-to-one and I want to combine them with other myths for dramatic effect. Like I have an idea to combine a figure from Chinese mythology with one from Irish mythology since they both fill in roughly the same role. Don't worry, it'll make more sense when I talk about it. As for the Sampo here, the ancient humans probably had their own name for it, but Diana uses Sampo because that's what she is familiar with and expects others to know.
 
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