Oh. Oh dear. Yeah, I can honestly say I didn't see that coming. That complicates things.
To @CaptainAlvious 's post, meticulous work as always.
To @CaptainAlvious 's post, meticulous work as always.
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Our protagonists’ plan just got a bit more complicated.Oh. Oh dear. Yeah, I can honestly say I didn't see that coming. That complicates things.
To @CaptainAlvious 's post, meticulous work as always.
It'll become clear as you read the more recent chapters.Looked through old bookmarks and rediscovered this thread for the first time since 2018, but why is the title Jerusalem? Might be wrong but I could have sworn it was Rome although barely remember most of this timeline, might read it again.
Glad to have you back Zen. I agree with everyone else that that was quite a cliffhanger. I am glad that you were kind to us.Counterattack, Part 3
Yes but even that one chance of failure is sometimes all it takes for a plan to go sideways.the Panopticon estimated a 99% chance of total victory
It is not offten that he is.Yep, Theodor was right.
All in all great showing of how Timeline 191 could be different in TTL.
Timeline 191
I do wonder though why did you keep the name for Tanks being Barrel in this story? The reason being is that in OTL the reason that Tanks were called tanks to begin with was because the British used it as a code word to confuse the Germans. With tank being the British name for something that holds a lot of water. In America the name for something that holds a lot of water is a Barrel. One idea that I have on what it could be called that fits in universe could be something like Chariot?In December of 1904, a new armored combat vehicle dubbed the “barrel” is invented and widely adopted by Neurhomania
I guess the Freiheitspartei and Joachim Frederstein are based off of Markos Angelos and his followers?fascist parties like Freiheitspartei, led by ex-sergeant Joachim Federstein
Now let's see how it will be resolved, next weekGlad to have you back Zen. I agree with everyone else that that was quite a cliffhanger. I am glad that you were kind to us.
No plan survives first contact with the enemy.Yes but even that one chance of failure is sometimes all it takes for a plan to go sideways.
Hell is an icy wasteland at this point.It is not offten that he is.
That was my suggestion in a DM to brainstorm that post. Keep it "barrels" both as an alt-history diversion from OTL and because it was done in the actual TL-191 books.I do wonder though why did you keep the name for Tanks being Barrel in this story? The reason being is that in OTL the reason that Tanks were called tanks to begin with was because the British used it as a code word to confuse the Germans. With tank being the British name for something that holds a lot of water. In America the name for something that holds a lot of water is a Barrel. One idea that I have on what it could be called that fits in universe could be something like Chariot?
In the actual books, the Confederacy of the 1930s falls under the sway of the Freedom Party and its charismatic leader, Jake Featherston. Both are completely original characters with no ties to real historical figures or movements. So the Freiheitspartei and Federstein are similarly completely original creations, not based on Angelos or his followers. I suggested that as well to keep a parallel to the original books.I guess the Freiheitspartei and Joachim Frederstein are based off of Markos Angelos and his followers?
Fair enough.Also I am going to be able to post my Tianxia update on the Balkans on Friday so that @CaptainAlvious's post can "breath" and so that I am not posting it immediately before Part 4 on Sunday.
I'm looking forward to your Balkan update. Glad you liked my post. Also, I saw Zen already answered your questions, so I'll let his reply speak for itself.Also I am going to be able to post my Tianxia update on the Balkans on Friday so that @CaptainAlvious's post can "breath" and so that I am not posting it immediately before Part 4 on Sunday.
I might retcon this in a definitive edition since that was just me abusing game mechanics to blob. That's pretty much how I rushed to the Restoration within 40 years of game start, as opposed to the game the "alternate timeline" was based on where it took me until the 12th century.The war would see the Holy Roman Empire annex Croatia and install a Habsburg ruler with the Second Empire getting Serbia.
I know you're using the Kaiserreich historical figures, but what dynasty would Alexander be from in this timeline?King Alexander
Again, like Croatia this might be retconned. Or not, since from my current research 11th century Hungary might be a major opponent to Friedrich the Great and have to be forcibly integrated into the emerging Reich.After Hungary was annexed Werner von Habsburg was appointed to the throne of Hungary leading to the Habsburgs ruling it until The Arpads inherited Hungary again.
I think I remember Dacia being Hellenized instead in CK2, or at least the non-Transylvanian parts.Dacia experienced a level of Germanization.
Technically all of Greece was united under Alexander the Great, before it became part of the Roman Republic.would only be unified when it was conquered by the rising Roman Republic
I'm not so sure about that. The Turkic migrations into Anatolia didn't happen to the same extent as in real life due to a lack of Manzikert, a stronger (and more competent) Roman military presence, and Alp Arslan focusing on internal Persian matters due to the whole Zoroastrianization thing. Though I did mention there were some Turks who settled in Anatolia and Thrace, there weren't too many of them. Perhaps instead of Turks you could have the Smyrna fire be started by a German, pitting the Germans and Greeks against each other. Think that would work better.The Turks were originally a nomadic people from Northern Asia who would later migrate into Anatolia, a region that before has been inhabited by peoples like the Hittites, Persians, Romans, Greeks and Armenians.
I think the Taronites were brought up as a possible ruling family of Illyria in EU4 (contradicting the Origins of Modernity updates), but I'm guessing that's subject retcon like Habsburg Illyria and Hungary.I know you're using the Kaiserreich historical figures, but what dynasty would Alexander be from in this timeline?
Seems like it could go either way given political intrigue in 11th century Hungary, but I can definitely see certain Hungarian factions being opposed to Fredrich the Great. After all, Hungary did have a huge pagan uprising a couple decades before 1066, so I could definitely see either the Pagans or Pro-Pope factions influencing Hungary after the Pagan Resurgence.Again, like Croatia this might be retconned. Or not, since from my current research 11th century Hungary might be a major opponent to Friedrich the Great and have to be forcibly integrated into the emerging Reich.
For the most part yes, but Sparta was left out of the League of Corinth.Technically all of Greece was united under Alexander the Great, before it became part of the Roman Republic.
Good idea, I think Ghostrider got this depiction of the Smyrna fire from Chapter 276, but I think it would fit better in a definitive edition if the fire was started by Germans spurred on by Angelos' nationalist rhetoric , kinda like the OTL Istanbul Pogroms.I'm not so sure about that. The Turkic migrations into Anatolia didn't happen to the same extent as in real life due to a lack of Manzikert, a stronger (and more competent) Roman military presence, and Alp Arslan focusing on internal Persian matters due to the whole Zoroastrianization thing. Though I did mention there were some Turks who settled in Anatolia and Thrace, there weren't too many of them. Perhaps instead of Turks you could have the Smyrna fire be started by a German, pitting the Germans and Greeks against each other. Think that would work better.
Basically I am using a lot of Kaiserreich lore but I am using some of OTL's history as well. For example Alexander would be based off of Alexander I of Yugoslavia.I know you're using the Kaiserreich historical figures, but what dynasty would Alexander be from in this timeline?
I'm not so sure about that. The Turkic migrations into Anatolia didn't happen to the same extent as in real life due to a lack of Manzikert, a stronger (and more competent) Roman military presence, and Alp Arslan focusing on internal Persian matters due to the whole Zoroastrianization thing. Though I did mention there were some Turks who settled in Anatolia and Thrace, there weren't too many of them. Perhaps instead of Turks you could have the Smyrna fire be started by a German, pitting the Germans and Greeks against each other. Think that would work better.
In that case maybe the Germans were farmers who could have moved into central Anatolia since they might not have been able to have that much opportunity in Greece and were discriminated against by the Greek nobility and were spurred on to rebellion by Angelos' who wanted the region to be loyal to the Hohenzollerns in Germania?Good idea, I think Ghostrider got this depiction of the Smyrna fire from Chapter 276, but I think it would fit better in a definitive edition if the fire was started by Germans spurred on by Angelos' nationalist rhetoric , kinda like the OTL Istanbul Pogroms.
I think that chapter would take precedent over Origins of Modernity, so yes, probably the Taronites.I think the Taronites were brought up as a possible ruling family of Illyria G (contradicting the Origins of Modernity updates), but I'm guessing that's subject retcon like Habsburg Illyria and Hungary.
The pagans might cause the papal factions to become more radical and violent and get more support.Seems like it could go either way given political intrigue in 11th century Hungary, but I can definitely see certain Hungarian factions being opposed to Fredrich the Great. After all, Hungary did have a huge pagan uprising a couple decades before 1066, so I could definitely see either the Pagans or Pro-Pope factions influencing Hungary after the Pagan Resurgence.
That was under Phillip II. Sparta was part of Alexander’s empire.For the most part yes, but Sparta was left out of the League of Corinth.
Good idea.Good idea, I think Ghostrider got this depiction of the Smyrna fire from Chapter 276, but I think it would fit better in a definitive edition if the fire was started by Germans spurred on by Angelos' nationalist rhetoric , kinda like the OTL Istanbul Pogroms.
Alright.Basically I am using a lot of Kaiserreich lore but I am using some of OTL's history as well. For example Alexander would be based off of Alexander I of Yugoslavia.
Might be better if it was just a random German who did it, which would set off violence between Germans and Greeks that Angelos exploits by favoring the Germans.In that case maybe the Germans were farmers who could have moved into central Anatolia since they might not have been able to have that much opportunity in Greece and were discriminated against by the Greek nobility and were spurred on to rebellion by Angelos' who wanted the region to be loyal to the Hohenzollerns in Germania?
Come to think of it, it’s kinda weird to see Angelos screw over Greeks in favor of the Germans, considering the Angeloi are a Greek Dynatoi. Granted, the OTL Angeloi were somewhat responsible for the Foruth Crusade, so it’s not like they do much protecting. Kinda ironic I mentioned the Istanbul pogroms when there was did a pogrom against Catholics in Constantinople that help lead to the Fourth Crusade.Might be better if it was just a random German who did it, which would set off violence between Germans and Greeks that Angelos exploits by favoring the Germans.
Yea I did use the "Smyrna fire from Chapter 276" as inspiration which would then lead to my Greco-Turkish War/Second Boar War inspired rebellion. Also the inspiration for Angelos in TTL was based on Herbert Kitchener and how he died was inspired by Huey Long. Mabey a possible solution could be that instead of Grigorios Petridis (which is a random name with Grigorios meaning watchful; alert; awake and Petridis meaning the son of Petros or rock) it could be Angelos in charge of the Greeks and still dying like Huey after the war and a original character leading the German rebels?Come to think of it, it’s kinda weird to see Angelos screw over Greeks in favor of the Germans, considering the Angeloi are a Greek Dynatoi. Granted, the OTL Angeloi were somewhat responsible for the Foruth Crusade, so it’s not like they do much protecting. Kinda ironic I mentioned the Istanbul pogroms when there was did a pogrom against Catholics in Constantinople that help lead to the Fourth Crusade.
Yes that is Venice owning Crete and the orange is Genoa. I was a bit inspired by the Maritime republics of the Middle Ages. The more I think about it the light blue I took inspiration from The Knights Hospitaller from EU4 but since I do not have them for the update I might need to add them in and do that German Revolt in Anatolia.Also @GhostRider124, I think that’s Venice owning Crete, but I wonder what are the orange and light blue nations that own the Aegean Islands?
I also found it weird when I was going through that arc. I could rationalize it as Angelos being from a German branch of the family which kept the Greek name.Come to think of it, it’s kinda weird to see Angelos screw over Greeks in favor of the Germans, considering the Angeloi are a Greek Dynatoi. Granted, the OTL Angeloi were somewhat responsible for the Foruth Crusade, so it’s not like they do much protecting. Kinda ironic I mentioned the Istanbul pogroms when there was did a pogrom against Catholics in Constantinople that help lead to the Fourth Crusade.
Also @GhostRider124, I think that’s Venice owning Crete, but I wonder what are the orange and light blue nations that own the Aegean Islands?
Nah, I like the original Petridis character.Yea I did use the "Smyrna fire from Chapter 276" as inspiration which would then lead to my Greco-Turkish War/Second Boar War inspired rebellion. Also the inspiration for Angelos in TTL was based on Herbert Kitchener and how he died was inspired by Huey Long. Mabey a possible solution could be that instead of Grigorios Petridis (which is a random name with Grigorios meaning watchful; alert; awake and Petridis meaning the son of Petros or rock) it could be Angelos in charge of the Greeks and still dying like Huey after the war and a original character leading the German rebels?
Yeah, that might work better.Yes that is Venice owning Crete and the orange is Genoa. I was a bit inspired by the Maritime republics of the Middle Ages. The more I think about it the light blue I took inspiration from The Knights Hospitaller from EU4 but since I do not have them for the update I might need to add them in and do that German Revolt in Anatolia.
That’s fine, we don’t need to talk much about the Knights Hospitaller. And yes, it’s pretty funny how Angelos is a hero here.Okay I was able to add some information on the Knights Hospitaller but I was not able to put in its history between I think the 1100 to 1900 since I do not think we know that much about it in the main story. I also did the Anatolian Rework in were I replaced Atatürk with Angelos and kept Petridis as being on the Greek side. I do find it weird that in TTL Angelos is a hero instead of a villain but whose to say that if his rebellion succeeded that he would not have become the Angelos we all know and despise from HOI3?
I fell like this Committee arc will be divided into different subparts. The first one being the rise of the Committee. The second being the start of the current World War and ending with the liberation of the Reich. With the third and last one being the liberation of China.“I hope you forgive me, Gunduz.” Wilhelmina got on Heidi and rode towards the Crusader line, which surprisingly made way for her.
Yea know it is strange that Code Geass fanfic that I recommended has the Black Knights evacuated to Ryukyu (because of Japan being destroyed) and even though the rest of the world in TTL dose not know that to be the case I do find it funny the similarities. However unlike in both the fanfic and the actual show we unfortunately do not have China on our side in this story.looking out the window as the Ryukyuan and allied ships fired more missiles and bullets.
I love this moment of peace between all of the fighting.“This is Admiral Hong Wuchang,” Hong said, “Formerly of the Imperial Chinese Navy. I would like to speak to Admiral Zhang Jianzhou of the Fusang fleet.”
There was a pause, and then Hong heard the static-filled voice of an old man. “This is Admiral Zhang. Hong, is that you?”
“Hello, Zhang,” Hong said, “How long has it been now? Twenty years?”
“About 24, if I remember correctly,” Zhang said, “Sorry, my memory’s not as good as it used to be.”
“Yes, that sounds about right,” Hong said, “That joint exercise was in 2015, wasn’t it? Fun times.”
“Fun?” Zhang said. “I recall you hogged the airspace with your pilots.”
Hong chuckled. “That’s how we do it in China. Though you always did hesitate to engage.”
“It’s called being cautious, Hong, look it up.”
“I am cautious these days, but I’m not Admiral Cao. How have you been doing?”
“My family could do better,” Zhang said, “We’re making ends meet.”
“Only making ends meet, on an admiral’s salary?”
“The economy’s in a pinch. You know, with everything going on here.”
“Of course.”
“If you think you can bribe me into switching sides, you’d be wrong.”
Hong shook his head. “Oh, no, I’m not asking for that. I know you wouldn’t take any deal I offer. I just wanted to check in on my old friend.”
“I was suspecting that because you yourself changed sides…”
“Not like I had any other choice,” Hong said, “I lost at Hoang Sa. I put myself at the mercy of the victors. And here I am.”
“It must be nice, your enemy showing you that much mercy.”
“It is.”
“Sometimes, I wish we could all go back to how we were. Before all this happened.”
“We all do. It pains me that we have to meet again like this.”
“Same here. But I have a job to do.”
“I do too.”
“You know what you must do.”
Hong nodded. “I do.”
“Tell your family I said hello,” Zhang said.
He doesn’t know…best not to tell him. “I will.”
“And please…tell my family I forgive you.”
Hong stumbled over his words for his next part. “I will.”
“It’s good to hear your voice again,” Zhang said, “Reminds me of the old days.”
“Yes, same.”
“Farewell, old friend.”
“Goodbye.” The line disconnected.
Hong turned back to the bridge crew. “Let’s get back to work.”
The first thing Higa felt upon regaining consciousness was the searing pain shooting through his left leg. He opened his eyes, seeing orange sky above him. Feeling slowly returned to his outstretched arms, though his fingers took time to move. He finally lifted his head and found he was floating on his back. His uniform was tattered and burned, revealing multiple wounds all over his body. His left leg was covered in more burns, and the ocean’s saltwater seeped into each one, worsening his pain.
Now I fear that since Higa surviving and Snorrison being killed (which thank you for that by the way) you almost have to kill off the royals in Crusader custody to even things out.He left the barricade and walked down the street towards the Crusaders. He reached out his hands wide like he was going to hug someone. “Welcome, esteemed guests! I apologize for the unruly conduct of my citizens, but I assure you, this is not who we are as Scandinavians. It is in both our nations’ interests to work together for the—”
He didn’t finish before the entire enemy force, tanks included, concentrated all of its fire solely on him. Two tank rounds and several hundred bullets was all it took to reduce Snorrison to just a few stains of blood on Sigurd Street. To absolutely NOBODY’S surprise, you goddamn idiot! Clara rolled her eyes. None of the other townspeople said anything. Their eyes focused on the bloodstain that was once Snorrison and then on the Crusaders who killed him, who quietly looked back at them with a similar awkwardness.
So…uh…that just happened…