The Hohenzollern Empire 5: Holy Phoenix - An Empire of Jerusalem Megacampaign in New World Order

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Yeah, the Reich really missed out on stuff like separation of powers and separation of church and state, even as secularism (through that was only implemented during Adenauer’s administration) and popular sovereignty took off. Despite all of Otto and Engelbert‘s talks of the Hohenzollernverse’s Reich being different from the Annoinaverse due to being a diverse nation rather than an feudal empire bent on assimilation, some elements of an empire remained.
To be fair, separation of powers did emerge under the Ottonian system, although at that point it would be 150-200 years late compared to real life, and even then it's kind of rendered moot with the whole "Kaiser can overrule anything" provision.
Fair enough. Any ideas you got for Japanese Christianity tho, since it would obviously be different from Roman Christianity (which might result in Jerusalem seeing them as heretics even through the Commitee supports a Shinto/Buddhist South), particularly regarding it’s stance on the Emperor’s religious significance since even before the establishment of the Republic of Japan I think the Shogan in the North was officially ruling on behalf of the emperor?
I'm planning on doing an arc focused on Japan in the future, so I might go into more detail about Japanese Christianity at that point. No idea what any specific beliefs and tenets might be at the moment. Maybe the Japanese Christians reject the emperor being a god/descended from gods but accept him as a secular head of state. Or maybe some radicals consider him a descendant of Jesus instead.
 

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I'm planning on doing an arc focused on Japan in the future, so I might go into more detail about Japanese Christianity at that point. No idea what any specific beliefs and tenets might be at the moment. Maybe the Japanese Christians reject the emperor being a god/descended from gods but accept him as a secular head of state. Or maybe some radicals consider him a descendant of Jesus instead.
I remember reading about how the Ethiopian royal family claimed to be descended from the Israeli king Solomon and his dynasty (which makes me wonder if they would do the same here), so I could see Japanese Christians thinking the emperor is a descendant of Jesus, which would cause a bunch of conflict with European Christians even before the rise of the Committee.

Considering that Boris is from Aegyptus, he’s definitely not going to happy about what the Commitee is doing there, even through he’s chancellor of Livonia now.
 
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I remember reading about how the Ethiopian royal family claimed to be descended from the Israeli king Solomon and his dynasty (which makes me wonder if they would do the same here), so I could see Japanese Christians thinking the emperor is a descendant of Jesus, which would cause a bunch of conflict with European Christians even before the rise of the Committee.
Would explain why the committee chose to support the southerners over the northerners. I’m guessing the current Ethiopian royal family still claims descent from Solomon.
Considering that Boris is from Aegyptus, he’s definitely not going to happy about what the Commitee is doing there, even through he’s chancellor of Livonia now.
Yeah he probably is.
 

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Before

Berlin - October 31

Late at night, Heinrich waited on the Tiergarten bench for his contact. He checked his watch and nervously looked at the streetlights. One could never be sure they weren’t being watched. After a few minutes, Gertrude sat on the bench behind him. From the sound of her breathing, it seemed like she was wearing a heavy jacket and a mask to diguise herself with.

“That outfit’s not going to be enough, with what Watchtower can monitor,” Heinrich said.

“I’ve put pebbles in my shoes to throw off my gait,” Gertrude said.

Okay, she was much more prepared than he thought.

“How did you get out of the house anyways?” Heinrich said. “With Elias being Elias…”

“Said my aunt was visiting, so I had to take her around the city,” Gertrude said.

“At this time?” Heinrich said.

“She’s a very eccentric aunt,” Gertrude said, “Elias knows. Anyways, to business.”

“Do you have any orders for me to…handle?” Heinrich said.

“Unfortunately not,” Gertrude said, “Elias has delegated more powers to the individual generals and away from you.”

“That man claims to support the troops, but he knows nothing about the chain of command,” Heinrich said, “If everybody starts acting on their own, we’ll have no cohesion. Everybody will run into each other like a bunch of headless chickens.”

“I know,” Gertrude said, “But I can’t do anything myself.”

“What about our main concern?” Heinrich said. “You know, bringing Elias down?”

“I’m sorry, but he’s been very paranoid lately,” Gertrude said, “I couldn’t get anything.”

“Say, I’ve heard Tiger’s Defense has been probing our networks,” Heinrich said.

“What about it?” Gertrude said.

“What if, instead of us leaking the leverage ourselves, we open a path for Tiger’s Defense to do it for us?” Heinrich said.

“That could work,” Gertrude said.

“I’d have to talk with the Keyboard Crusaders,” Heinrich said, “Maybe tomorrow.”

Gertrude looked at her watch. “I should probably get going. My alibi will only work so long.”

“Yeah, you should,” Heinrich said, “Contact me if there’s anything you need to share.

“Got it.” Gertrude got up and left.

Heinrich sighed. “This world has gone completely mad…”

“Not completely yet, I fear,” Gertrude said.


November 1

“Our operations in the Caribbean have been dealt a massive setback,” Heinrich explained, “Admiral von Württemburg lost half his capital ships, six subs, and a transport in Tejas Bay. Our other fleets throughout the area have also come under attack. Rumor has it Atoc Sopa Atoc is leading the operation.”

“Then tell them to counterattack!” Theodor said.

“It’s not that simple, Theodor!” Heinrich said. “How do you think we’re attacking? With ammunition and fuel! Ammunition and fuel we are running short on, and we can barely resupply with our ridiculously overstretched supply lines, even before this Eimerican offensive began!”

“So you’re saying our Caribbean positions are unsustainable,” Moria said.

“In a nutshell, yes,” Heinrich said.

“I tried to warn you,” Josiah said, “We can maintain our current positions in Kleinvenedig and the Carribean corridor, but we may have to withdraw our forces from North Eimerica.”

“And just abandon our brave Crusaders like that?” Elias said. “Whatever happened to supporting the troops?”

“I’m supporting the troops by not giving them unnecessary deaths,” Heinrich said, “Let them live to fight another day.”

“I agree,” Josiah said.

“I can see that,” Moria said.

“There’s also the matter of the ceasefire proposal suggested by Tyonajanegen and Thordarsson,” Josiah said.

“A ceasefire?” Elias said.

“Covering all of North Eimerica,” Josiah said, “They are aware of our overextension. They’re willing to let us withdraw our troops over the next three days.”

“They are only suggesting this because they know they can’t match us,” Theodor said, “Our troops are the best in the world, and we’ve already inflicted massive casualties on them. I say we finish the job.”

“And may I ask how we’ll finish the job?” Josiah said. “Take their capitals? There are over a dozen capitals scattered across two continents. It’s suicide.”

“That’s the attitude of a coward and a quitter,” Theodor said, “Christians aren’t cowards. They’re men.”

“He’s being reasonable,” Heinrich said, “As a general myself, I know our troops’ limits. And this would allow us to move our troops in North Eimerica to Kleinvenedig without incident.”

Elias was already on the phone to High Command, though, and not listening to anything Heinrich said. He nodded and put the phone down.

“My generals in the Kleinvenedig theater concur,” he said, “Let’s do it.”

“Elias, you’re not seriously going along with this!” Theodor said.

“It’s not a surrender,” Elias said, “And besides, this can avoid high-profile encirclements and decisive defeats. Our positions in Kleinvenedig will also benefit. We only gain from this ceasefire. Anyone else have concerns?”

Nobody else said anything.

“Good,” Elias said, “I’ll notify Tyonajanegen we accept the terms.”


Elias’ house - November 2

We, Zhu Yangshen, the Chongxian Emperor, Blessed by Heaven, Lord of Ten Thousand Years, Emperor of China and All Under Heaven, Son of Heaven, etc. etc. etc., demand the rogue Jerusalem state to formally and publicly condemn the "dangerous propaganda" against all peace-loving nations of the world, the ultimate aim of which is to deprive all peoples of sovereignty. Berlin must condemn the dangerous jingoist rhetoric being propagated throughout the world at once.

In addition, the Daqin government should:

- Suppress all publications which incite hatred and contempt of all peoples and nations and are directed against their territorial integrities;

- Cease combat operations and withdraw all troops from both North and South Eimerica at once;

- Eliminate without delay from schoolbooks and public documents all propaganda against China and other peoples of the world;

- Apologize to the Imperial Chinese Government, represented by His Excellency the Grand Secretariat Han Xianyu, and send a representative of its choosing to Nanjing to deliver the apology in person;

- Restore a Government more respectful of international norms which the Empire of China is committed to upholding;

- Rehabilitate itself into the harmonious and cooperative community of mankind that the Empire of China is committed to guiding into the future;

- Notify the Imperial Chinese Government "without delay" of the execution of the measures comprised in this ultimatum.

We shall expect the reply of the Jerusalem Government within twenty-four hours. Should the warmongers in control of the government fail to heed this warning, the Chinese government will mobilize its reserves.

PS: 1v1 me, noob, if you’re a real man! -Han

Elias pounded his desk. He really was planning on honoring the ceasefire, but that goddamn Han had the nerve to insult him to his face. Not only that, but he had to literally copy the ultimatum Franz Joseph sent to Lithuania in 1914, as well as King-Emperor August’s insane response. Oh, he would soon learn what a real man could do. He looked up and saw Ellie’s reflection in the mirror, silently watching him.

“Ellie, watch over me,” he said, “Everything I do is for your sake. I will accomplish your dream, no matter what it takes! As for you, Han…I’LL SHOW YOU WHAT A REAL MAN CAN DO!”


Eimerican Federation executive residence, Markland

Jorvik Thordarsson woke up to air raid sirens blaring. His phone was buzzing, so he weakly picked it up.

“Hello?” he said.

“Sir, there’s a—” the connection suddenly cut off.

“Hello?” Jorvik said. “General?”

He tried calling the general back, but his call didn’t go through.

“What was that abo—” Jorvik never finished his sentence before a nuke obliterated downtown Markland.


Gunnolfsfell

A detachment of UN Police officers escorted a half-awake Kahenta to the helipad, where a helicopter was ready to take off. In the distance, air raid sirens echoed between the skyscrapers of downtown Gunnolfsfell.

“Mind telling me what’s going on?” she said.

“We don’t have time,” an officer said, “We’ve learned a missile is headed our way, so we’re flying you out of the blast area.”

“What about a bunker?” Kahenta said.

“There are no bunkers in the area,” the officer said.

They got into the helicopter, which lifted off and flew westward as fast as possible.

“Missiles?” Kahenta said. “In Gunnolfsfell? Did they really escalate that much?”

“Apparently so,” the officer said.

“Can you verify the threat?” Kahenta said.

“We barely got advance warning before the Federation’s detection systems went down,” the officer said, “I heard it had something to do with a massive cyberattack.”

“Secretary-General!” another officer said. “We just confirmed Markland has been hit!”

“Markland?” Kahenta said. “Is Thordarsson okay?”

“We don’t know, that’s all the report—”

At that moment, the nuke over Gunnolfsfell detonated, obliterating all of downtown and its skyscrapers in an explosion so bright for a second it was like the sun itself rose in the middle of the night. Although the helicopter had already flown out of the blast zone itself, the shockwave and EMP still hit, sending it into freefall. Before the pilot could regain control, it slammed into the ground and exploded. There were no survivors.


Berlin

Elias’ finger was still stuck on the red button, even though the computer indicated his several hundred launch orders had been received and executed without incident. He still pushed it forcefully, as if putting more force on the button would intensify or lengthen the explosions that no doubt were happening around the world. Finally, he let go. Elias leaned back and smiled. He took out his old pocketnife and flicked the blade open, stabbing and slashing the air randomly. There was no questioning he was the superior man now. But he wasn’t done yet. This was only the beginning.

“I’ll show you…” he muttered. “I’LL SHOW YOU ALL I’M A REAL MAN!”

---

Happy Halloween. Now suffer.
 
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“What about our main concern?” Heinrich said. “You know, bringing Elias down?”

“I’m sorry, but he’s been very paranoid lately,” Gertrude said, “I couldn’t get anything.”

“Say, I’ve heard Tiger’s Defense has been probing our networks,” Heinrich said.

“What about it?” Gertrude said.

“What if, instead of us leaking the leverage ourselves, we open a path for Tiger’s Defense to do it for us?” Heinrich said.

“That could work,” Gertrude said.

“I’d have to talk with the Keyboard Crusaders,” Heinrich said, “Maybe tomorrow.”
Also I am still skeptical about Gertrude. I fear that she is going to end up like Serena in were no mater that she says she is going to betray us to Elias.

However if on the off chance that Elias is overthrown can that event be on the 5th of November for the V for Vendetta memes?

“Unfortunately not,” Gertrude said, “Elias has delegated more powers to the individual generals and away from you.”

“That man claims to support the troops, but he knows nothing about the chain of command,” Heinrich said, “If everybody starts acting on their own, we’ll have no cohesion. Everybody will run into each other like a bunch of headless chickens.”
This reminds me of OTL's WWII in were in the Soviet Union you had Stalin pit some of his generals against each other. I remember a story during the Battle of Berlin in were it was a race between Georgy Zhukov and another general that I am blanking out on at the moment.

“My generals in the Kleinvenedig theater concur,” he said, “Let’s do it.”

“Elias, you’re not seriously going along with this!” Theodor said.

“It’s not a surrender,” Elias said, “And besides, this can avoid high-profile encirclements and decisive defeats. Our positions in Kleinvenedig will also benefit. We only gain from this ceasefire. Anyone else have concerns?”

Nobody else said anything.

“Good,” Elias said, “I’ll notify Tyonajanegen we accept the terms.”
One of the few things in were I am in agreement with Elias.

Elias’ house - November 2


Elias pounded his desk. He really was planning on honoring the ceasefire, but that goddamn Han had the nerve to insult him to his face. Not only that, but he had to literally copy the ultimatum Franz Joseph sent to Lithuania in 1914, as well as King-Emperor August’s insane response. Oh, he would soon learn what a real man could do. He looked up and saw Ellie’s reflection in the mirror, silently watching him.

“Ellie, watch over me,” he said, “Everything I do is for your sake. I will accomplish your dream, no matter what it takes! As for you, Han…I’LL SHOW YOU WHAT A REAL MAN CAN DO!”


Eimerican Federation executive residence, Markland

Jorvik Thordarsson woke up to air raid sirens blaring. His phone was buzzing, so he weakly picked it up.

“Hello?” he said.

“Sir, there’s a—” the connection suddenly cut off.

“Hello?” Jorvik said. “General?”

He tried calling the general back, but his call didn’t go through.

“What was that abo—” Jorvik never finished his sentence before a nuke obliterated downtown Markland.


Gunnolfsfell

A detachment of UN Police officers escorted a half-awake Kahenta to the helipad, where a helicopter was ready to take off. In the distance, air raid sirens echoed between the skyscrapers of downtown Gunnolfsfell.

“Mind telling me what’s going on?” she said.

“We don’t have time,” an officer said, “We’ve learned a missile is headed our way, so we’re flying you out of the blast area.”

“What about a bunker?” Kahenta said.

“There are no bunkers in the area,” the officer said.

They got into the helicopter, which lifted off and flew westward as fast as possible.

“Missiles?” Kahenta said. “In Gunnolfsfell? Did they really escalate that much?”

“Apparently so,” the officer said.

“Can you verify the threat?” Kahenta said.

“We barely got advance warning before the Federation’s detection systems went down,” the officer said, “I heard it had something to do with a massive cyberattack.”

“Secretary-General!” another officer said. “We just confirmed Markland has been hit!”

“Markland?” Kahenta said. “Is Thordarsson okay?”

“We don’t know, that’s all the report—”

At that moment, the nuke over Gunnolfsfell detonated, obliterating all of downtown and its skyscrapers in an explosion so bright for a second it was like the sun itself rose in the middle of the night. Although the helicopter had already flown out of the blast zone itself, the shockwave and EMP still hit, sending it into freefall. Before the pilot could regain control, it slammed into the ground and exploded. There were no survivors.
DARN IT HAN!!!!!!! Then again since it is Halloween in both OTL and in TTL I knew that something horrifying would happen. It has basically been a nightmare for everyone since January 1, 2030.
 

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Welp, rip the Eimerican federation now. For that matter, rip the UN as well now since Gunnolfsfell was nuked. Jerusalem has basically defeated liberal meritocractic and democratic forces now as Russia‘s Schengen pact, North Japan and Sirvjava, which means that Han’s authoritarian sinosphere is all that’s left that and mighty Ryukyu they are only hope left, other than gloruous Ulm rebelling against the Committee and bringing it down from within. This really is a fitting update for Halloween (which ironically enough is probaly banned in Jerusalem for pagan influences).:eek:

I think Henrich and Gertrude’s conspiracy might end up being pointless if Elias gets everyone killed in a war with Han before they can bring down Jerusalem on the inside or help anti Jerusalem liberal forces bring it down.

After everything that’s happened in this arc, I wouldn’t surprised if Earth in Stellaris ends up being blown up with a super weapon by a fallen empire humanity pissed off, it might even put Earth out of its misery, since you said the fall of the Committee would discredit environmentalism, not sure what would happen to humans not on Earth through, maybe something like the Jewish diaspora but in space?

Since this update is focused on the Eimericas, while its not unusually for Romans and Mexica to collaborate on things together, as explorers on both sides did so during the Age of Exploration, I wonder how would you go about explaining the weird alliance systems of the Eimerican Wars of Independence, as you brought it up before?

It’s been a while since we had some biographic posts here so I was wondering if they were minor EU4/Vicky 2 characters you could flesh out with them? Since I’m personally working on a biography on Julie d'Aubigny and I think I suggested a Hirohito biography a hundred pages ago but I see your planning a mini arc based in Japan, might I suggest one focused on 18th century Megas Droungarios Augustin Komnenos and a follow up biography covering the Sunrise Invasion operation he planned through Acacitli Huemac‘s perspective. Augustin Kommenos is interesting as he’s a minor character who‘s interesting as he’s basically on par with Pierremaskin in terms of setting the stage for the rest of Eimerican history after them and I like @TWR97 ’s idea of Augustin being a Cato the Elder like figure, and Acacitli Huemac would be interesting as a repudiation of history being written by the victors, more interesting to me than ones focused on Roman generals in that war IMO.
 
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Also I am still skeptical about Gertrude. I fear that she is going to end up like Serena in were no mater that she says she is going to betray us to Elias.
RIP Heinrich then.
However if on the off chance that Elias is overthrown can that event be on the 5th of November for the V for Vendetta memes?
So in three days? Uh...about that...
This reminds me of OTL's WWII in were in the Soviet Union you had Stalin pit some of his generals against each other. I remember a story during the Battle of Berlin in were it was a race between Georgy Zhukov and another general that I am blanking out on at the moment.
Yeah, it happened a lot with Soviet institutions where individuals and factions frequently competed for resources or the Party's favor. It was one of the reasons why the Soviet space program stagnated and fell behind NASA, which was most apparent with their attempt at landing on the moon.
One of the few things in were I am in agreement with Elias.
And likely the only thing now.
DARN IT HAN!!!!!!! Then again since it is Halloween in both OTL and in TTL I knew that something horrifying would happen. It has basically been a nightmare for everyone since January 1, 2030.
It was actually a coincidence my update schedule lined up so that this update and the next matched perfectly between real life and in-universe days. But there was no way I was going to let the Kleinvenedig situation end that easily, especially since it was an actual war between the EF and Jerusalem in-game.
Welp, rip the Eimerican federation now. For that matter, rip the UN as well now since Gunnolfsfell was nuked. Jerusalem has basically defeated liberal meritocractic and democratic forces now as Russia‘s Schengen pact and Sirvjava, which means that Han’s authoritarian sinosphere is all that’s left. This really is a fitting update for Halloween (which ironically enough is probaly banned in Jerusalem for pagan influences).:eek:
Elias isn't done yet...:eek:

I did mention Totensonntag a long time ago as being the equivalent of Halloween, but the committee most certainly banned all of the secular/pagan elements and returned it to a strictly religious holiday.
I think Henrich and Gertrude’s conspiracy might end up being pointless if Elias gets everyone killed in a war with Han before they can bring down Jerusalem on the inside or help anti Jerusalem liberal forces bring it down.
Heinrich's sabotage was pointless all along. As Theodor pointed out, the generals no longer have to answer to him.
After everything that’s happened in this arc, I wouldn’t surprised if Earth in Stellaris ends up being blown up with a super weapon by a fallen empire humanity pissed off, it might even put Earth out of its misery, since you said the fall of the Committee would discredit environmentalism, not sure what would happen to humans not on Earth through, maybe something like the Jewish diaspora but in space?
Obviously Elias and the committee will escape to space using whatever Annionaverse tech Theodor can get his hands on, and they'll start over again with a new pure state on another planet. You thought the HTE was crazy and tyrannical enough? laughs
Since this update is focused on the Eimericas, while its not unusually for Romans and Mexica to collaborate on things together, as explorers on both sides did so during the Age of Exploration, I wonder how would you go about explaining the weird alliance systems of the Eimerican Wars of Independence, as you brought it up before?
Not sure yet. I haven't thought too much of that yet. Maybe in the future.
It’s been a while since we had some biographic posts here so I was wondering if they were minor EU4/Vicky 2 characters you could flesh out with them? Since I’m personally working on a biography on Julie d'Aubigny and I think I suggested a Hirohito biography a hundred pages ago but I see your planning a mini arc based in Japan, might I suggest one focused on 18th century Megas Droungarios Augustin Komnenos and a follow up biography covering the Sunrise Invasion operation he planned through Acacitli Huemac‘s perspective. Augustin Kommenos is interesting as he’s a minor character who‘s interesting as he’s basically on par with Pierremaskin in terms of setting the stage for the rest of Eimerican history after them and I like @TWR97 ’s idea of him being a Cato the Elder like figure, and Acacitli Huemac would be interesting as a repudiation of history being written by the victors, more interesting to me than ones focused on Roman generals in that war IMO.
I could do something about Augustin Komnenos and Acacitli Huemac eventually. As for Vicky characters, I do have plans to talk about at least one historical figure who was active in the 19th and early 20th century. He didn't actually make an appearance in any of my content, but I have an idea for what he contributed to history. I could also talk about Prince Nikephoros more in detail.
 

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So in three days? Uh...about that...
No I was just saying when ever rather that is a few days from now or a few years it should be on the 5th of November for the memes.

Obviously Elias and the committee will escape to space using whatever Annionaverse tech Theodor can get his hands on, and they'll start over again with a new pure state on another planet. You thought the HTE was crazy and tyrannical enough? laughs
If this does happen I feel like any citizen/peasant of this new state will be like the Exos from Destiny.

If you do not know what I am talking about My name is Byf did a fifteen minute video on YouTube about their history.


However I feel like instead of using what was used to create the Exos in Destiny I can see them being created by something similar to the Relic from Cyberpunk 2077.

 

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No I was just saying when ever rather that is a few days from now or a few years it should be on the 5th of November for the memes.
it will also be the 5th of November in a few days in-universe
If this does happen I feel like any citizen/peasant of this new state will be like the Exos from Destiny.
Bold of you to assume they'll even be peasants...
 

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Well how can you be a "leader" if there is no one to rule over? But then again I can see this HTE consisting of only drones to protect the Committee members that escaped.

At least until the Machine Uprising that is.;)
the implication is they're serfs or worse
 

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the implication is they're serfs or worse
So, like the Draka creating a race of slaves to rule over through genetic engineering?
it will also be the 5th of November in a few days in-universe
Yeah, it is neat how these updates line up with real life dates as well.
I could do something about Augustin Komnenos and Acacitli Huemac eventually. As for Vicky characters, I do have plans to talk about at least one historical figure who was active in the 19th and early 20th century. He didn't actually make an appearance in any of my content, but I have an idea for what he contributed to history. I could also talk about Prince Nikephoros more in detail.
What historical figure are you thinking about at the moment, or would that be spoilers? Either way, those sound like cool ideas for the 18th/19th centuries. As the 13th century, the other important era in Mexica history, maybe you could also elaborate on the Eimerican theater of Sunset Invasion, particularly with how the arrival of the Jin in Fusang would spice things up and bring gunpowder to the anti-Mexica forces, as well as stuff regarding the Mongol Conquests leading to the Jin and Song exoduses, establishment of the Tran and eventual clash with the Reich in Taurica. I think these would cool ideas to touch on if you ever revisit the 12th century.
Yeah, it happened a lot with Soviet institutions where individuals and factions frequently competed for resources or the Party's favor. It was one of the reasons why the Soviet space program stagnated and fell behind NASA, which was most apparent with their attempt at landing on the moon.
Sounds like something the Committee would end up doing, especially with the decentralized structure of the Crusader high command. Not exactly a good source of merit, stability or success is it.
 
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So, like the Draka creating a race of slaves to rule over through genetic engineering?
You just know Theodor would be up for that...but the Annionaverse HRE isn't as experienced as the Reich when it comes to genetics and biology.
Yeah, it is neat how these updates line up with real life dates as well.
I first realized it at the start of October and tried to maintain the update schedule so at least this update and the next would line up with the equivalent days in real life due to their plot importance. The next few updates will take place over the first week of November, but they'll jump ahead more quickly than I can upload, so I doubt this will happen again anytime soon. I might also switch to two updates a week after I post the next gameplay chapter as I want to focus on real life stuff which has been blocking my ability to write new content so far (I'm currently stuck in the first week of January 2039).
What historical figure are you thinking about at the moment, or would that be spoilers? Either way, those sound like cool ideas for the 18th/19th centuries. As the 13th century, the other important era in Mexica history, maybe you could also elaborate on the Eimerican theater of Sunset Invasion, particularly with how the arrival of the Jin in Fusang would spice things up and bring gunpowder to the anti-Mexica forces, as well as stuff regarding the Mongol Conquests leading to the Jin and Song exoduses, establishment of the Tran and eventual clash with the Reich in Taurica. I think these would cool ideas to touch on if you ever revisit the 12th century.
That figure would be the American socialist Eugene Debs, whose left wing activism and French roots would make him a perfect subject for a biography. If I decide on doing another round of biographies after Debs, I want to focus mainly on people who were marginalized and forgotten in both real history and the Hohenzollernverse's history.

I'll take that idea into consideration. There's a lot I could go over with the Eimerican side of the Sunset Invasion. However, I think I went over the Mongol conquest of China in detail enough as it was almost exactly the same with the difference of the Song and Jin dynasties surviving. But the rise of the Tran could make for a very interesting mini-arc or one-off flashback if I want to do a Vietnam-focused arc in the present day.
Sounds like something the Committee would end up doing, especially with the decentralized structure of the Crusader high command. Not exactly a good source of merit, stability or success is it.
It is a horrible idea to give all of the generals autonomy. There's a reason chain of command exists, and Elias has taken a sledgehammer to that. I wouldn't be surprised if without coordination or authorization from someone at the very top the generals start fighting and undermining each other, whether by accident due to lack of coordination or intentionally to gain favor with Elias. A lot of people are going to point this out in the next few updates. Whether they'll be heard will be another thing.
 

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Yeah, it happened a lot with Soviet institutions where individuals and factions frequently competed for resources or the Party's favor. It was one of the reasons why the Soviet space program stagnated and fell behind NASA, which was most apparent with their attempt at landing on the moon.
Sounds like something the Committee would end up doing, especially with the decentralized structure of the Crusader high command. Not exactly a good source of merit, stability or success is it.
It is a horrible idea to give all of the generals autonomy. There's a reason chain of command exists, and Elias has taken a sledgehammer to that. I wouldn't be surprised if without coordination or authorization from someone at the very top the generals start fighting and undermining each other, whether by accident due to lack of coordination or intentionally to gain favor with Elias. A lot of people are going to point this out in the next few updates. Whether they'll be heard will be another thing.
I just realized something. If this type of thing happened to the Soviets in TTL then I do find it hilarious that the Committee has become more like the Soviets even though they clime Russia to be "the Soviets with a new paint job". :D

That figure would be the American socialist Eugene Debs, whose left wing activism and French roots would make him a perfect subject for a biography. If I decide on doing another round of biographies after Debs, I want to focus mainly on people who were marginalized and forgotten in both real history and the Hohenzollernverse's history.

I'll take that idea into consideration. There's a lot I could go over with the Eimerican side of the Sunset Invasion. However, I think I went over the Mongol conquest of China in detail enough as it was almost exactly the same with the difference of the Song and Jin dynasties surviving. But the rise of the Tran could make for a very interesting mini-arc or one-off flashback if I want to do a Vietnam-focused arc in the present day.
That's cool I did not know he was French. I would also love to know what was going on in the Eimerican side of Sunset Invasion.
 

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I first realized it at the start of October and tried to maintain the update schedule so at least this update and the next would line up with the equivalent days in real life due to their plot importance. The next few updates will take place over the first week of November, but they'll jump ahead more quickly than I can upload, so I doubt this will happen again anytime soon. I might also switch to two updates a week after I post the next gameplay chapter as I want to focus on real life stuff which has been blocking my ability to write new content so far (I'm currently stuck in the first week of January 2039).
That's okay take care of the stuff you need to do we will be here when you come back.:)
 
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I'll take that idea into consideration. There's a lot I could go over with the Eimerican side of the Sunset Invasion. However, I think I went over the Mongol conquest of China in detail enough as it was almost exactly the same with the difference of the Song and Jin dynasties surviving. But the rise of the Tran could make for a very interesting mini-arc or one-off flashback if I want to do a Vietnam-focused arc in the present day.
While we are talking about reworking some things in Ck2, any ideas for what India would do in this era? Looking back, it seems like after Jayasimha's unification of India and Saint Wilhelmina's visits and establishment of the Roman-Indian alliance, India was basically an isolationist empire until the Timurid conquests of the Ghanznavids, Iran and the Roman middle east, and it seems like India started becoming politically active after the battle of Persepolis (which is ironic since OTL Timurids invaded India at some point and sacked Delhi), so maybe there's something you could do with this isolationism period and how it give way to the era of expansion India underwent in EU4 and Vicky 2.

Speaking of the Timurids, I'm also wondering how something like the Timurid Renaissance would go in TTL in comparison to the Reich's later Renaissance and what impact it would have, considering this TTL doesn't have any thing like the Islamic Gunpowder Empires that succeeded the Timurids?

I think there could be stuff done regarding the Malian conquests of Western Africa and Mauretania during Fredrich the Glorious and Saint Wilhelmina's reigns as well, Saint Gunhilda definitely wouldn't like the Spirit Guardians doing their own genocide of Mauritanian Berbers as was mentioned in the Vicky 2 breakdown of the Reich in 1900. There's also that detail from EU4 about Mali looking for lost treasure fleets that led them to colonize Nsorala, which sounds as interesting as the colonization of Kanata or Penglai.
That's cool I did not know he was French. I would also love to know what was going on in the Eimerican side of Sunset Invasion.
Me either, but that sounds interesting. As for other overlooked figures Zen could talk about, maybe Enlightenment era feminists like Olympe de Gouges would be a good pick, I never heard of her until Zen's take on Decades of Darkness a few years ago back when he was finishing up the World War III arc, but she sounds fascinating.
That's okay take care of the stuff you need to do we will be here when you come back.:)
Same here, take all the time you need Zen, we can wait.
 
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I just realized something. If this type of thing happened to the Soviets in TTL then I do find it hilarious that the Committee has become more like the Soviets even though they clime Russia to be "the Soviets with a new paint job". :D
Right down to Elias and Theodor going full Stalin and Beria insanity mode.
That's cool I did not know he was French. I would also love to know what was going on in the Eimerican side of Sunset Invasion.
Technically, it was his parents who were French immigrants (and gave him his middle name Victor from Victor Hugo). Debs was born and raised in Indiana.
That's okay take care of the stuff you need to do we will be here when you come back.:)
Thanks. Things should be taken care of within a few weeks, hopefully. Nothing too big, but I want to focus on those first. Also, I might be slowing down a lot more once the updates are done with November and halfway through December 2038 because I wanted to add some more content in that part. Ideally you wouldn't see anything as I should have enough finished updates in the queue for several weeks.
While we are talking about reworking some things in Ck2, any ideas for what India would do in this era? Looking back, it seems like after Jayasimha's unification of India and Saint Wilhelmina's visits and establishment of the Roman-Indian alliance, India was basically an isolationist empire until the Timurid conquests of the Ghanznavids, Iran and the Roman middle east, and it seems like India started becoming politically active after the battle of Persepolis (which is ironic since OTL Timurids invaded India at some point and sacked Delhi), so maybe there's something you could do with this isolationism period and how it give way to the era of expansion India underwent in EU4 and Vicky 2.
There's a reason India is called a subcontinent. There are dozens of ethnic, cultural, religious, and linguistic groups within India proper, all with conflicting interests and beliefs, a lot like Europe as a whole. Jayasimha I's unification would have been almost like Friedrich the Great's in its ambition and scale. So I imagine most of Jayasimha's time would have focused on consolidating power within India and keeping the empire together. By the time of the Timurids, India had stabilized enough that it could start looking outward.
Speaking of the Timurids, I'm also wondering how something like the Timurid Renaissance would go in TTL in comparison to the Reich's later Renaissance and what impact it would have, considering this TTL doesn't have any thing like the Islamic Gunpowder Empires that succeeded the Timurids?
I think the Timurids would have leveraged their position on the Silk Road to maintain some prosperity and political relevance. Some of the Timurid rulers remained patrons of the arts and sciences, using revenue from the Silk Road to fund their pursuits, but as the Silk Road's importance declined due to trade with the Eimericas and new sea routes, they lost relevance, as well as money needed to pay for their troops and weapons.
I think there could be stuff done regarding the Malian conquests of Western Africa and Mauretania during Fredrich the Glorious and Saint Wilhelmina's reigns as well, Saint Gunhilda definitely wouldn't like the Spirit Guardians doing their own genocide of Mauritanian Berbers as was mentioned in the Vicky 2 breakdown of the Reich in 1900. There's also that detail from EU4 about Mali looking for lost treasure fleets that led them to colonize Nsorala, which sounds as interesting as the colonization of Kanata or Penglai.
The lost Malian treasure fleets came from real Malian legends (at least as far as EU4 mission descriptions are concerned), and I think that would be a fun one-off. Maybe the Worm cult had a hand in its disappearance?

Maybe I could do the same with a similar legend of an Incan emperor sending a fleet into the Pacific. Perhaps they interacted with Polynesians on some random island and also got involved with the local Worm cult.
Me either, but that sounds interesting. As for other overlooked figures Zen could talk about, maybe Enlightenment era feminists like Olympe de Gouges would be a good pick, I never heard of her until Zen's take on Decades of Darkness a few years ago back when he was finishing up the World War III arc, but she sounds fascinating.
I did mark down Olympe de Gouges with a plan to reference her Declaration of the Rights of Women in the story at some point, but that idea's on the back burner with everything else for the moment.
Same here, take all the time you need Zen, we can wait.
Thanks. I do want to say that what I did write between November 2038 and January 2039 feels like another jump in quality by my standards. The next gameplay chapter will likely be the last to use the original writing format as I will be experimenting with a new format (and actually cropped and edited screenshots) in the following chapter. And I love what I wrote for Wilhelmina and Olga coming up.
 

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Also, I think it’s safe to say most if not all of the real life/Handmaid’s Tale inspirations ended with Angelica’s Alençon arc. From here on, I’m going to be writing almost completely original content, barring some Legend of Korra and other references.
 
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Wait a second....
I think you overestimate this world's willpower for peace. The Romans just defeated a nuclear power in a land war. The ability to neutralize nukes as a military force makes me believe that war will be inevitable in the Phoenixverse. My personal prediction for this war will be the day he uploads the update he goes to war in, for nice Meta fun.
I'm not sure if he's still following this AAR, but damn, @Osterreich Will Rule's comment aged well after this update didn't it.:eek:
 

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The lost Malian treasure fleets came from real Malian legends (at least as far as EU4 mission descriptions are concerned), and I think that would be a fun one-off. Maybe the Worm cult had a hand in its disappearance?
I would not be suppressed if the Worm had a hand in that fleets disappearance. Mabey you could tie it into how these sorties helped influenced the later Malian colonization in the 1400's?

Maybe I could do the same with a similar legend of an Incan emperor sending a fleet into the Pacific. Perhaps they interacted with Polynesians on some random island and also got involved with the local Worm cult.
That would be interesting as well. Mabey the Incan fleet was sent into the Pacific to try and contact China but lost it's way?

The next gameplay chapter will likely be the last to use the original writing format as I will be experimenting with a new format (and actually cropped and edited screenshots) in the following chapter. And I love what I wrote for Wilhelmina and Olga coming up.
Looking forward to the new style and scenes with Wilhelmina and Olga are always good.

Also, I think it’s safe to say most if not all of the real life/Handmaid’s Tale inspirations ended with Angelica’s Alençon arc. From here on, I’m going to be writing almost completely original content, barring some Legend of Korra and other references.
Interested to see were you take this story going forward.