The Hohenzollern Empire 5: Holy Phoenix - An Empire of Jerusalem Megacampaign in New World Order

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Angelica's attempt at freeing concentration camp prisoners' seems to going well at first, but the fact the Committee's melting pot program has successfully made French unintelligible to the adults doesn't bode well for when Angelica's group moves on to freeing the children, much like how Ghostrider bought up examples from the Handmaid's Tale of children being successfully brainwashed by Gilead.
 

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That makes sense. The only reason that I thought of that example for National Rally was due to the fact that a few updates ago Ruby seamed to have a negative opinion of FLM and this made me think that maybe she supported TTL's version of the party but they go screwed over by the Committee for being regionalist.
My idea was that Ruby was a casual FLM supporter who didn't join in rallies or protests or anything, but she did take up arms when it radicalized and became a rebel group, only to give up when all those French cities got nuked and Perpignan was massacred. In a way, she blames the FLM for indirectly leading to all of those cities' destruction.
Fair enough. Mabey we could just think of those things on our own and they be our own personal headcanon?
I'm of the opinion that they don't exist because they depend on the geopolitical situation of modern Europe and recent history of 1939-present, both of which don't exist and can't exist here. National Front/Rally has neo-Nazi origins; no Nazis means no National Front, and the modern party's anti-Semitism and Islamophobia absolutely would not fly in the BLM-inspired FLM. UKIP built its entire purpose and identity around opposition to Britain being in the EU. I think Vox has Francoist origins and Franco here obviously wasn't a right-wing dictator. Not to say there aren't regionalist parties in the Reich; I'm pretty sure there are Quebec-style regionalist parties in old France, and I've said the CSU is still Bavaria-based and focused. They're just completely different from OTL factions as they arose under very different circumstances and want to address different issues. Some might not even be right-wing.
 

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Angelica's attempt at freeing concentration camp prisoners' seems to going well at first, but the fact the Committee's melting pot program has successfully made French unintelligible to the adults doesn't bode well for when Angelica's group moves on to freeing the children, much like how Ghostrider bought up examples from the Handmaid's Tale of children being successfully brainwashed by Gilead.
She still isn't thinking things through as well: where is she going to put all these freed prisoners?
 

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My idea was that Ruby was a casual FLM supporter who didn't join in rallies or protests or anything, but she did take up arms when it radicalized and became a rebel group, only to give up when all those French cities got nuked and Perpignan was massacred. In a way, she blames the FLM for indirectly leading to all of those cities' destruction.
I'm of the opinion that they don't exist because they depend on the geopolitical situation of modern Europe and recent history of 1939-present, both of which don't exist and can't exist here. National Front/Rally has neo-Nazi origins; no Nazis means no National Front, and the modern party's anti-Semitism and Islamophobia absolutely would not fly in the BLM-inspired FLM. UKIP built its entire purpose and identity around opposition to Britain being in the EU. I think Vox has Francoist origins and Franco here obviously wasn't a right-wing dictator. Not to say there aren't regionalist parties in the Reich; I'm pretty sure there are Quebec-style regionalist parties in old France, and I've said the CSU is still Bavaria-based and focused. They're just completely different from OTL factions as they arose under very different circumstances and want to address different issues. Some might not even be right-wing.
Gotcha. Yea making France of TTL more like the Quebec of OTL douse make more sense.

She still isn't thinking things through as well: where is she going to put all these freed prisoners?
Mabey on a plane to Russia like how all off those children were sent to Canada in the show?
 

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Gotcha. Yea making France of TTL more like the Quebec of OTL douse make more sense.
Pretty ironic too.
Mabey on a plane to Russia like how all off those children were sent to Canada in the show?
I doubt she'd be able to capture an airport, let alone ensure the plane doesn't get shot down on the long trip from France to Russia.
 

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Gotcha. Yea making France of TTL more like the Quebec of OTL douse make more sense.
I wonder if the other pre nuke separatist movements can be compared to other separatist movements in Europe, like the movements in Catalonia and Scotland for example.
I doubt she'd be able to capture an airport, let alone ensure the plane doesn't get shot down on the long trip from France to Russia.
Yeah, seems like something is bound to go wrong with Angelica's rescue operation eventually.

Considering how unreliable the gameplay updates have become after the Committee's takeover, are we going to talk about how the last update of the Fifty Years War arc in EU4 showing Shakespeare writing a play based on the Apocalypse indicates that some of the events we saw in the Apocalypse arc might be an unreliable or embellished retelling of events made by the Angels and Shakespeare to glorify the Inquisition, demonize heretics and possibly cover up whatever the Worm Cult did? Bit of a tinfoil theory I know, but I feel like it would open up future one offs and min arcs set during the Fifty Years War to have sympathetic heretic povs, call out the crimes of Mansur Shah Muktar's Inquisition and proto fascist tactics and explore what involvement the Worm Cult had in the Fifty Years War.

Ironic how the EU4 update I'm referring to had Shakespeare be dismissive of Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan, which is somewhat relevant to the heavy handed statist tactics of both the Inquisition of his era and the modern Committee given its subject matter of a social contract under an absolute sovereign. That sounds an awful lot like Reinstaat come to think of it.

Also Zen, I know you said your rework of the 11th century won't involved much supernatural stuff, but do you have an idea of what the Pagan Gods would do during the Pagan Resurgence and Wilhelm's struggle with the Worm?

While we are talking about supernatural plot elements and remembering how Death shows up in a chess related event chain in CK2, I'm not familiar with Supernatural's depiction of the Grim Reaper, but I feel like something akin to Death's compassionate and humanistic characterization in Discworld or the one more traumatized by humanity in The Book Thief would fit with this megacampaign, leaning more towards the latter than the former due to the tone and themes of this arc.
 
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I doubt she'd be able to capture an airport, let alone ensure the plane doesn't get shot down on the long trip from France to Russia.
Yeah, seems like something is bound to go wrong with Angelica's rescue operation eventually.
Well in the show they were able to take an airport and send a plane to Canada but since the distance between New England and Canada is a lot shorter then going from France to Russia. Also if this arc has taught me anything is that if something can go wrong it can and most likely will since given the vast distances between France and Russia with most of that journey being over Jerusalem airspace I can see the Committee be like "if they can't have the children then one can" and launch a missile at the plane.

While we are talking about supernatural plot elements and remembering how Death shows up in a chess related event chain in CK2, I'm not familiar with Supernatural's depiction of the Grim Reaper, but I feel like something akin to Death's compassionate and humanistic characterization in Discworld or the one more traumatized by humanity in The Book Thief would fit with this megacampaign, leaning more towards the latter than the former due to the tone and themes of this arc.
If you are going to include Death Zen can it be the Death portrayed by Julian Richings in Supernatural?


I feel like he played Death perfectly.
 

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Well in the show they were able to take an airport and send a plane to Canada but since the distance between New England and Canada is a lot shorter then going from France to Russia. Also if this arc has taught me anything is that if something can go wrong it can and most likely will since given the vast distances between France and Russia with most of that journey being over Jerusalem airspace I can see the Committee be like "if they can't have the children then one can" and launch a missile at the plane.
Guessing sending them on a boat ride to Scandinavia won’t work for similar reasons.
If you are going to include Death Zen can it be the Death portrayed by Julian Richings in Supernatural?


I feel like he played Death perfectly
Fair enough. I can see that and it’s probably more likely given that this AAR is inspired by Supernatural, tho I am a big fan of how Terry Pratchett characterized him in Discworld, especially after I read books focused on him like Mort and Hogfather.

 
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I wonder if the other pre nuke separatist movements can be compared to other separatist movements in Europe, like the movements in Catalonia and Scotland for example.
Superficially, as movements for regional independence, most likely. But anything else in their platforms would be completely different.
Considering how unreliable the gameplay updates have become after the Committee's takeover, are we going to talk about how the last update of the Fifty Years War arc in EU4 showing Shakespeare writing a play based on the Apocalypse indicates that some of the events we saw in the Apocalypse arc might be an unreliable or embellished retelling of events made by the Angels and Shakespeare to glorify the Inquisition, demonize heretics and possibly cover up whatever the Worm Cult did? Bit of a tinfoil theory I know, but I feel like it would open up future one offs and min arcs set during the Fifty Years War to have sympathetic heretic povs, call out the crimes of Mansur Shah Muktar's Inquisition and proto fascist tactics and explore what involvement the Worm Cult had in the Fifty Years War.
If I ever do flashbacks for the Fifty Years' War, I definitely will have sympathetic heretic/non-Inquisition POVs. I can't not call out Mukhtar's actions too.
Ironic how the EU4 update I'm referring to had Shakespeare be dismissive of Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan, which is somewhat relevant to the heavy handed statist tactics of both the Inquisition of his era and the modern Committee given its subject matter of a social contract under an absolute sovereign. That sounds an awful lot like Reinstaat come to think of it.
Eerily prophetic.
Also Zen, I know you said your rework of the 11th century won't involved much supernatural stuff, but do you have an idea of what the Pagan Gods would do during the Pagan Resurgence and Wilhelm's struggle with the Worm?
I imagine the pagan gods would have at least participated in the Pagan Resurgence in some form. At the very least they wouldn't have liked Wilhelm and Raphael impersonating them to start it.
Well in the show they were able to take an airport and send a plane to Canada but since the distance between New England and Canada is a lot shorter then going from France to Russia. Also if this arc has taught me anything is that if something can go wrong it can and most likely will since given the vast distances between France and Russia with most of that journey being over Jerusalem airspace I can see the Committee be like "if they can't have the children then one can" and launch a missile at the plane.
...as they did with the prisoners in Perpignan.
Guessing sending them on a boat ride to Scandinavia won’t work for similar reasons.
Even worse because the boat trip would take more time.
While we are talking about supernatural plot elements and remembering how Death shows up in a chess related event chain in CK2, I'm not familiar with Supernatural's depiction of the Grim Reaper, but I feel like something akin to Death's compassionate and humanistic characterization in Discworld or the one more traumatized by humanity in The Book Thief would fit with this megacampaign, leaning more towards the latter than the former due to the tone and themes of this arc.
It could work with Supernatural's depiction of Death. Then again, I don't remember directly showing Death during the Fifty Years' War arc, only implying he was around to interact with the Inquisition. There's a lot of room for characterization.
If you are going to include Death Zen can it be the Death portrayed by Julian Richings in Supernatural?
I always imagined Death to be as his Supernatural counterpart, as that was the perfect casting.
Fair enough. I can see that and it’s probably more likely, tho I am a big fan of how Terry Pratchett characterized him in Discworld, especially after I read books focused on him like Mort and Hogfather.
Not sure how Terry Pratchett wrote him as I haven't read the Discworld series, but I may take a look later on.
 

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tho I am a big fan of how Terry Pratchett characterized him in Discworld, especially after I read books focused on him like Mort and Hogfather.
I do not know that much if anything about Discworld but from those two clips you linked I can also see myself liking this version of Death as well. I liked the top one in how Death says that even of we know fantasies are not true we still need them because they are an example of our creativity and more importantly they give us hope.

I also like the second one in that Death pretty much tells the Hogfather that gifts come in many different forms and that "there is no better present than a future".
 

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I do not know that much if anything about Discworld but from those two clips you linked I can also see myself liking this version of Death as well. I liked the top one in how Death says that even of we know fantasies are not true we still need them because they are an example of our creativity and more importantly they give us hope.

I also like the second one in that Death pretty much tells the Hogfather that gifts come in many different forms and that "there is no better present than a future".
Very interesting.
 

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The Valkyrie would be proud that Angelica is doing what she can to free prisoners that are suffering under a tyrannical regime in the same vein she once did back during the Second World War. History has a habit of rhyming eh? Hopefully this isn't snuffed out immediately. But with war with China on the horizon I fear all these efforts will be in vain in the end.
 
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The Valkyrie would be proud that Angelica is doing what she can to free prisoners that are suffering under a tyrannical regime in the same vein she once did back during the Second World War. History has a habit of rhyming eh? Hopefully this isn't snuffed out immediately. But with war with China on the horizon I fear all these efforts will be in vain in the end.
Angelica truly is Diana's spiritual successor.
 

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After all that's happened, it's nice to see Billy fighting alongside our heroes.
 

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Calm

Red Square, Kiev - October 29

“Come on!”

“For what?”

“You know! The evil Hassan is about to summon the dragon of darkness!”

“A dragon? I love dragons!”

“But this one…is a SHADOW dragon!”

“Oh no, it’s evil!”

“And it’s going to plunge the world into an endless night!”

“What does that mean?”

“It means…it is bedtime…forever.”

“No! We have to stop him!”

“Come on and help me reclaim the legendary sword Enonon so I can stop him!”

“Why do you get the sword?”

“Because I'm the hero!”

“Why can’t I be the hero?”

“Uh…because I already called it!”

“You just called it now!”

“Did not!”

“Did too!”

“Grandpa!”

Vasily looked up from his Kleinvenedig crisis briefing.

“Yes, Ilyana, my dear?” he said.

Five-year-old Ilyana Romanova, a small girl with curly black hair and a beauty mark under her left eye, ran over to him.

“Friedrich’s not being nice to me!” she said, pointing at five-year-old Friedrich von Hohenzollern.

“She wanted to hog all of the fun!” Friedrich complained, putting his hands on his sides.

“No fair!” Ilyana said. “He hogs all the fun!”

“Grandma!” Friedrich said.

Wilhelmina, sitting on another bench playing Persona Emblem, looked up.

“Not again,” she said.

“Sometimes, I wonder why he always calls for you before me,” Joseph said.

“Or me,” Franz said.

“Allow me to help,” Sophie said.

“I’m not sure you can,” Wilhelmina said, “That Ilyana is a real handful.”

“Reminds me of someone I knew when she was 5,” Sophie said.

“You were there back then?” Wilhelmina said.

“I was there when you punched the Ecumenical Patriarch in the face during your baptism,” Sophie said, “Now sit back and…I don’t know, stop relying on Yukiko too much. I don’t care if she got stat blessed, if the AI gets a lucky crit and you gave her all of the experience...”

She walked over to Friedrich.

“Friedrich, why are you doing this?” Sophie asked.

“Ilyana always keeps trying to take the fun out of the game!” Friedrich said.

“What game are you playing?” Sophie said.

“Shadow Dragon and the Sword of Light!” Friedrich said.

“Oh, kids still play that playground game, huh?” Sophie said.

“Yeah!” Friedrich said.

“It’s the one where you have to fight Hassan and the Shadow Dragon, right?” Sophie said.

“Yep!” Friedrich said.

“And this hero…what do you know about them?” Sophie said.

“They wield the Sword of Light to slay the Shadow Dragon and defeat Hassan!” Friedrich said.

“Is there anything saying the hero is a boy?” Sophie said.

Friedrich thought for a moment. “Well, the only other person is the princess.”

“Who could easily be a prince too, right?” Sophie said.

“That would be weird!” Friedrich said. “Boys don’t need saving!”

“Believe me, they do, and it’s okay,” Sophie said, “It’s nice to have friends to save you.”

Friedrich continued thinking. “Yeah, it is!”

“So how are you going to play this game?” Sophie said.

Friedrich took another few seconds to think. Then his face lit up.

“I know!” he said. “We can have TWO heroes! The princess is ALSO a hero! Nothing saying she can’t do that!”

“Good idea!” Sophie said.

“You like that, Ilyana?” Friedrich said.

Ilyana thought it over, and then she broke into a smile.

“Yay!” she said. “Let’s fight the dragon together!”

The two kids ran off to continue playing. Sophie triumphantly walked back over to Wilhelmina.

“See?” she said. “I seem to have a way with kids.”

“I can’t believe that worked,” Wilhelmina said.

“I never thought of playing it like that,” Joseph said.

“Did you even play it?” Franz said.

“Not that I recall,” Joseph said.

“No, I definitely remember you playing that game,” Wilhelmina said, “You always insisted on being the knight.”

“Hey, I like knights!” Joseph said.

“So…” Vasily said, walking over.

“Hello, Vasily,” Wilhelmina said.

“Usually Ilyana either gets her way, or the other kids just stop playing with her,” Vasily said, “I’ve never seen anyone try something like this. She is very…forceful and willful.”

“Well, I didn’t expect Friedrich to say that,” Wilhelmina said, “Make a compromise.”

“Neither did I,” Vasily said, “But somehow, he hasn’t either been overwhelmed or driven away, like so many other kids. I was beginning to fear she would not have anyone to hang out with.”

“Well, she has a friend now,” Wilhelmina said.

“I hope it lasts,” Vasily said.

“Yeah, that they stay friends,” Wilhelmina said.

“I was thinking more about the world remaining peaceful for them,” Vasily said.

“Me too,” Wilhelmina said, “Me too.”

They watched their grandchildren playing happily across the park, using sticks to stab crudely drawn pictures of dragons pinned to trees.

“I have to apologize,” Vasily said.

“For what?” Wilhelmina said.

“The Hohenzollern succession issue when the news leaked,” Vasily said, “I was overreacting.”

“You were only doing what you thought was right,” Wilhelmina said, “You thought I wasn’t up to the task and it was up to you to do it instead.”

“I underestimated you,” Vasily said, “Dismissed all of your achievements based on your blood. It ran contrary to Friedrich the Great’s ideals. I’m sorry, Wilhelmina. Let me tell you…I’ll keep doing everything in my power to support you. Even if we’re not related by blood, we’re still family.”

“Thanks, Vasily,” Wilhelmina said.

They kept watching Friedrich and Ilyana.

“They really do get along very well,” Sophie said.

“Really?” Wilhelmina said. “Didn’t seem like it at first.”

“Give it time,” Sophie said, “If you plant a seed, you won’t know what it will grow into until you water it.”

“And the brave Friedrich and Ilyana, together wielding the Sword of Light, banish the darkness and put an end to the Shadow Dragon’s reign of terror!”

“The evil Hassan and the dark magic protecting him are powerless before the Sword of Light and its goodness!”

“The world is saved, thanks to these two brave heroes!”

“And with peace returning, it’s time for the heroes to go home. They return to their kingdom, and they get married!”

Friedrich suddenly stopped. “What?”

“Yeah, the two heroes get married, and they rule as king and queen, and their kids are heroes too, and their kids are heroes, and so on!” Ilyana said.

“Uh…” Friedrich stammered, his face beet red.

Ilyana stopped. “You don’t like it?”

“No, uh, it’s fine,” Friedrich said, “Yeah…”

Ilyana giggled. “You’re a funny boy, Friedrich.”
 
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I really enjoyed this moment of calm in the middle of all of the chaos going on.

“I’m not sure you can,” Wilhelmina said, “That Ilyana is a real handful.”

“Reminds me of someone I knew when she was 5,” Sophie said.

“You were there back then?” Wilhelmina said.

“I was there when you punched the Ecumenical Patriarch in the face during your baptism,” Sophie said
That part made me laugh. Even though Wilhelmina was hesitant to take the throne she seams to be a very strong willed person so I can see her doing something like punching the Ecumenical Patriarch in the face. :p

Hopefully when Friedrich and Ilyana come of age they do not have to live in the world that everyone else lives in due to the Committee having already fallen by then.

“The world is saved, thanks to these two brave heroes!”

“And with peace returning, it’s time for the heroes to go home. They return to their kingdom, and they get married!”

Friedrich suddenly stopped. “What?”

“Yeah, the two heroes get married, and they rule as king and queen, and their kids are heroes too, and their kids are heroes, and so on!” Ilyana said.

“Uh…” Friedrich stammered, his face beet red.

Ilyana stopped. “You don’t like it?”

“No, uh, it’s fine,” Friedrich said, “Yeah…”

Ilyana giggled. “You’re a funny boy, Friedrich.”
I also laughed at the end about Friedrich and Ilyana being married.
 

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I really enjoyed this moment of calm in the middle of all of the chaos going on.
due to the title, it's literally a moment of "Calm" too:p
That part made me laugh. Even though Wilhelmina was hesitant to take the throne she seams to be a very strong willed person so I can see her doing something like punching the Ecumenical Patriarch in the face. :p
...at least as a baby, she was.
Hopefully when Friedrich and Ilyana come of age they do not have to live in the world that everyone else lives in due to the Committee having already fallen by then.
There's no guarantee any post-committee world would be peaceful or without chaos, though.
I also laughed at the end about Friedrich and Ilyana being married.
Kids being kids...
 

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There's no guarantee any post-committee world would be peaceful or without chaos, though.
Yea. Similarly to how North Eimerica has for the 1990's and 2000's been TTL's Middle East I can see the fall of the Committee leading to Europe being like the Balkans of OTL during the Yugoslav Wars after the fall of Communist Yugoslavia but on steroids.
 

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Yea. Similarly to how North Eimerica has for the 1990's and 2000's been TTL's Middle East I can see the fall of the Committee leading to Europe being like the Balkans of OTL during the Yugoslav Wars after the fall of Communist Yugoslavia but on steroids.
I remember hearing about how after the fall of the Iron Curtain, the prevailing sentiment among many Eastern Europeans became one of pessimism and cynicism due to how bad things remained. It could be similar among the Roman if the committee falls. That is, if the fall is a peaceful one. It could be worse if the fall is violent.