Houghton's cool, I had friends at MTU there. I'll PM you maybe we can talk more about the UP. BTW, update coming late tonight/tomorrow morning.
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Sorry, net was down for a few days. I'm up and running now and will post part 5 soon.
Part 5 - Freedom
The monument to the Lithuanian soldiers that died in the Battle of Magdenburg 1445 near Magdenburg, Germany
After Kazimieras became Grand Duke, he wanted to have a period of peace to rebuild Lithuania. He started to revive Lithuania by increasing trade and reforming the government to give the people greater rights. Kazimieras learned from the mistakes of his predecessors and was determined to make his rule a peaceful one. His reforms where successful and Lithuania appeared to be on the road to recovery, but once again foreign influences would bring that stability into jeopardy.
Lithuania had been involved in two wars against the Germans in the last 20 years. The first war, which occurred in 1420 was successful for Lithuania and broke the power and influence of the Order. The second war, which occurred in 1437 was not successful for Lithuania, but was successful for Poland. Poland was successful in defeating and annexing the Prussians and gaining Magdenburg from Mecklenburg.
This caused the relations with the rest of Germany to suffer and the German rulers met in March of 1444 to plan the defense of Germany against the Polish and Lithuanians. It was determined that an alliance of north German nations would go to war to liberate Magdenburg from Poland and to regain some of the Order’s territory lost to Lithuania.
The Third German war started on May 10, 1444 when Holstein declared war on Poland. The Lithuanians and Brandenburg joined the war on the same side as Poland against Holstein, Mecklenburg, Pommern, Bremen and the Teutonic Order; Bohemia had dishonored there alliance with Poland and did not participate in the war.
Holstein declares war on Poland, Bohemia dishonors the alliance
The Lithuanians now had an opportunity to destroy the Order once and for all. Kazimieras decided to send the majority of his men to Kurland defeat the Order and then assist Poland against the other German armies. On June 27, 1444 the 2nd Lithuanian Army started a siege of Riga. The siege would last until August 27, 1445. The Order would last just a few months longer and where annexed on January 25, 1446. Although the power of the Order was broken after the first German war, the victory finished the long process of expelling the Order from Lithuanian lands and avenged the deaths of uncountable Lithuanians and Polish people.
As the siege of Kurland occurred, the timetable of the war had to be advanced because the Polish where having trouble with the other German armies. The Lithuanians sent the Ukrania Regiment to Brandenburg to aid the Polish in there siege of Mecklenburg. While the Polish where sieging Mecklenburg, a large army numbering 35,000 troops made up of every German nation’s army lifted the siege and killed most of the Polish troops. Poland was now at the mercy of the Germans as they had no sizable forces left and neither did the Lithuanians. The best the Lithuanians could muster was a force of around 18,000 troops against the Germans which now numbered 42,000 men.
The Germans took advantage of the situation and started a siege of Magdenberg in an attempt to liberate the city from Polish rule. The situation did not look promising for the Polish-Lithuanian armies; the only success was against Pommern whom was being besieged by Brandenburg and Polish troops. King Wladyslaw II and Grand Duke Kazimieras met in Pozen to decide whether to negotiate peace with the Germans and loose Magdenburg and more importantly would be a loss against the hated north Germans or to continue fighting and further damage their tired war torn country.
The Grand Duke made a great speech to the assembled nobles and the King, quoting from a similar speech given by General Hlebowicz in 1420 before the Battle of Riga. This speech convinced the King to give the Lithuanians a chance to drive the Germans out of Magdenburg. If Kazimieras could not then peace would have to be made and they would lose Magdenburg.
Kazimieras traveled to Saxony and negotiated a treaty with the Saxons that would allow the Lithuanians to pass through Saxon lands giving the Lithuanians the element of surprise as the Germans assumed that they would cross the Elbe from Brandenburg.
Military access through Saxoy
To avoid crossing a river
In the middle of winter on January 24, 1445 18,000 Lithuanians arrived with total surprise in Magdenberg from Sachen and engaged 43,000 Germans, the battle would either save or doom the Commonwealth.
The Battle of Magdenburg
The Lithuanians attacked the German army in the early morning before dawn using there cavalry to tear through the mostly footman armies of the Germans. This caused major confusion behind the German lines. Adding to this confusion was that the German army was made out of troops from four different nations and every general wanted the honor of destroying the Lithuanians. When the Germans finally managed to counter-attack, the Lithuanians retreated and baited the Germans to follow. When the Germans took the bait the Lithuanian horsemen took the flanks of the Germans and they panicked, fleeing from the battlefield.
The Lithuanian army attempting to rest before the Holstein army arrived.
The Lithuanians had little time to celebrate as the next day Holstein sent another army. This army was to be a relief force for the Germans but now where charged with the destruction of the Lithuanians. The Lithuanians numbered only 3,000 men and where tired and battle weary. The Germans met them on the same battlefield as the previous battle with 5,000 men. The battle lasted two days as the Germans and Lithuanians fought among the corpses of their countrymen from mere days before. The Lithuanians where victorious and drove the Holstein army from the field. Out of the original 18,000 Lithuanians that arrived on January 24, by Febuarary 7 only 800 had survived the two battles and 30,000 Germans lay dead on the battlefield. The battle of Magdenburg was fought on a worthless piece of land near the city and until that day it had no significance, but from the day on it would be the site of one of the greatest military victories ever.
A lone Lithuanian soldier after the Battle of Magdenburg 1445
Even today many Poles and Lithuanians visit the battlefield and relics from the battle are still found by locals and tourists. After the victory of the Lithuanians, Holstein decided to sue for peace and gave the Lithuanians tribute to end the war, and Pommern gave VonPommern to Poland.
The Third German war saw the end of the Order and the breaking of German power in the east. The Polish and Lithuanians where finally freed from the German influence and from the threat of invasion. The Commonwealth could now concentrate on the prosperity of their nation.
Purple Taken by Lithuania from the Order
Green Taken by Poland from Pommern
The monument to the Lithuanian soldiers that died in the Battle of Magdenburg 1445 near Magdenburg, Germany
After Kazimieras became Grand Duke, he wanted to have a period of peace to rebuild Lithuania. He started to revive Lithuania by increasing trade and reforming the government to give the people greater rights. Kazimieras learned from the mistakes of his predecessors and was determined to make his rule a peaceful one. His reforms where successful and Lithuania appeared to be on the road to recovery, but once again foreign influences would bring that stability into jeopardy.
Lithuania had been involved in two wars against the Germans in the last 20 years. The first war, which occurred in 1420 was successful for Lithuania and broke the power and influence of the Order. The second war, which occurred in 1437 was not successful for Lithuania, but was successful for Poland. Poland was successful in defeating and annexing the Prussians and gaining Magdenburg from Mecklenburg.
This caused the relations with the rest of Germany to suffer and the German rulers met in March of 1444 to plan the defense of Germany against the Polish and Lithuanians. It was determined that an alliance of north German nations would go to war to liberate Magdenburg from Poland and to regain some of the Order’s territory lost to Lithuania.
The Third German war started on May 10, 1444 when Holstein declared war on Poland. The Lithuanians and Brandenburg joined the war on the same side as Poland against Holstein, Mecklenburg, Pommern, Bremen and the Teutonic Order; Bohemia had dishonored there alliance with Poland and did not participate in the war.
Holstein declares war on Poland, Bohemia dishonors the alliance
The Lithuanians now had an opportunity to destroy the Order once and for all. Kazimieras decided to send the majority of his men to Kurland defeat the Order and then assist Poland against the other German armies. On June 27, 1444 the 2nd Lithuanian Army started a siege of Riga. The siege would last until August 27, 1445. The Order would last just a few months longer and where annexed on January 25, 1446. Although the power of the Order was broken after the first German war, the victory finished the long process of expelling the Order from Lithuanian lands and avenged the deaths of uncountable Lithuanians and Polish people.
As the siege of Kurland occurred, the timetable of the war had to be advanced because the Polish where having trouble with the other German armies. The Lithuanians sent the Ukrania Regiment to Brandenburg to aid the Polish in there siege of Mecklenburg. While the Polish where sieging Mecklenburg, a large army numbering 35,000 troops made up of every German nation’s army lifted the siege and killed most of the Polish troops. Poland was now at the mercy of the Germans as they had no sizable forces left and neither did the Lithuanians. The best the Lithuanians could muster was a force of around 18,000 troops against the Germans which now numbered 42,000 men.
The Germans took advantage of the situation and started a siege of Magdenberg in an attempt to liberate the city from Polish rule. The situation did not look promising for the Polish-Lithuanian armies; the only success was against Pommern whom was being besieged by Brandenburg and Polish troops. King Wladyslaw II and Grand Duke Kazimieras met in Pozen to decide whether to negotiate peace with the Germans and loose Magdenburg and more importantly would be a loss against the hated north Germans or to continue fighting and further damage their tired war torn country.
The Grand Duke made a great speech to the assembled nobles and the King, quoting from a similar speech given by General Hlebowicz in 1420 before the Battle of Riga. This speech convinced the King to give the Lithuanians a chance to drive the Germans out of Magdenburg. If Kazimieras could not then peace would have to be made and they would lose Magdenburg.
Kazimieras traveled to Saxony and negotiated a treaty with the Saxons that would allow the Lithuanians to pass through Saxon lands giving the Lithuanians the element of surprise as the Germans assumed that they would cross the Elbe from Brandenburg.
Military access through Saxoy
To avoid crossing a river
In the middle of winter on January 24, 1445 18,000 Lithuanians arrived with total surprise in Magdenberg from Sachen and engaged 43,000 Germans, the battle would either save or doom the Commonwealth.
The Battle of Magdenburg
The Lithuanians attacked the German army in the early morning before dawn using there cavalry to tear through the mostly footman armies of the Germans. This caused major confusion behind the German lines. Adding to this confusion was that the German army was made out of troops from four different nations and every general wanted the honor of destroying the Lithuanians. When the Germans finally managed to counter-attack, the Lithuanians retreated and baited the Germans to follow. When the Germans took the bait the Lithuanian horsemen took the flanks of the Germans and they panicked, fleeing from the battlefield.
The Lithuanian army attempting to rest before the Holstein army arrived.
The Lithuanians had little time to celebrate as the next day Holstein sent another army. This army was to be a relief force for the Germans but now where charged with the destruction of the Lithuanians. The Lithuanians numbered only 3,000 men and where tired and battle weary. The Germans met them on the same battlefield as the previous battle with 5,000 men. The battle lasted two days as the Germans and Lithuanians fought among the corpses of their countrymen from mere days before. The Lithuanians where victorious and drove the Holstein army from the field. Out of the original 18,000 Lithuanians that arrived on January 24, by Febuarary 7 only 800 had survived the two battles and 30,000 Germans lay dead on the battlefield. The battle of Magdenburg was fought on a worthless piece of land near the city and until that day it had no significance, but from the day on it would be the site of one of the greatest military victories ever.
A lone Lithuanian soldier after the Battle of Magdenburg 1445
Even today many Poles and Lithuanians visit the battlefield and relics from the battle are still found by locals and tourists. After the victory of the Lithuanians, Holstein decided to sue for peace and gave the Lithuanians tribute to end the war, and Pommern gave VonPommern to Poland.
The Third German war saw the end of the Order and the breaking of German power in the east. The Polish and Lithuanians where finally freed from the German influence and from the threat of invasion. The Commonwealth could now concentrate on the prosperity of their nation.
Purple Taken by Lithuania from the Order
Green Taken by Poland from Pommern
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I am also playing a senerio in the same year only it's the opposite. Polond is allied to northern German states and goes to war with Luthenia every 6 years. And Luthenia is allied to other northern German countries and goes to war with polond every 6 years. Its been a stealmate so far, only thing is that they have like 5,000 troops each. It's really fun to watch. Maybe i post some screenshots.
ANYWAYS good story. Keep up the good work.
Are you ever going to lose a war? Maybe you should raise the difficulty level a bit.
ANYWAYS good story. Keep up the good work.
Are you ever going to lose a war? Maybe you should raise the difficulty level a bit.
I had a feeling it was from Gladiator, but i didn't want to say anything unless i was wrong.
I make pretty good decisions about war and try to use terrain to my advantage. I was very surprised when I won the last one, but I guess I did everything to help my chances (lots of cav. attacked him in plains, and not crossing the Elbe). It makes up for it by giving me really lousy events as you'll see soon.
Oops sorry I went brain dead for a moment. For money generation your core provinces are the first one on the list followed by those provinces that have your ethnic or provinces that have a COT. After that I aim for provinces that have my religion just because it's easier to run my empire with the fewest religions in it but that doesn't really help in producing money.
Joe
I can´t believe You say you´re a newbie...this AAR is simply awesome..I like the way you compose history textbook chapters by combining pictures with action...Very nicely written too..
That's the problem I'm having. I'm catholic and all the catholic provinces are in Poland or west of it. I could change to Orthodox, but I have much better relations with catholic nations than orthodox. My only state culture is Lithuanian so anything else will not be my ethnicity. It's difficult for me to manage all the cultures and religions. Right now I'm Lithuanian, Baltic, Russian and Mongol with Catholic, Orthodox and Sunni provences. It's quite challenging.
Originally posted by Wasa
I can´t believe You say you´re a newbie...this AAR is simply awesome..I like the way you compose history textbook chapters by combining pictures with action...Very nicely written too..
Thanks that meens alot to me. There are many well written AAR's out there and I'm honored that you have taken the time to read mine and that you are enjoying it.
P.S. With any luck I'll have something posted today or early tomorow morning by 0600 GMT -5
Just wait for the reformation and some of those provinces go Protestant.
That's when the fun begins. Joe
Originally posted by Storey
Just wait for the reformation and some of those provinces go Protestant.
Joe
Yeah, just add one more to the pile!
*insert from the Polish advisor*
"As the great yellow sun rises over Lithuanian soil, One can smell troubled times abounding for our nieghbors and brethren, amidst the freshly laid dew. I fear our greatest challenge for our Nobles, and generals will lurk from within. Indeed we shall respect this blood bond and set forth with our own blood to sacrifice for the land of Lithuania is a great many people that differ in too many ways, and these ways must be ended! Slay the Germanic, and heretics of the peasentry!"
(hehehe a little forshadowing for things to come)
keep up the good work roomie!
"As the great yellow sun rises over Lithuanian soil, One can smell troubled times abounding for our nieghbors and brethren, amidst the freshly laid dew. I fear our greatest challenge for our Nobles, and generals will lurk from within. Indeed we shall respect this blood bond and set forth with our own blood to sacrifice for the land of Lithuania is a great many people that differ in too many ways, and these ways must be ended! Slay the Germanic, and heretics of the peasentry!"
(hehehe a little forshadowing for things to come)
keep up the good work roomie!
It sure helps to have a stable neighbor that's human controlled to help kill my rebels. Without that I would not be sucessful.
Short update today
Part 6 - Pax Lithuania
After the third German War the Poland-Lithuania again tried to concentrate on domestic matters. This time fortunately would this goal would be met and with the exception of a Ukrainian rebellion in 1450 the next twenty years would be peaceful for the Lithuanians. This would be a welcome change to a nation that has known constant warfare for the last twenty five years.
The constant warfare had taken its toll on Poland-Lithuania, especially in Lithuania where they suffered the most losses and the greatest victories. Lithuania was a nation of disabled veterans, the elderly, women and children and this caused problems with agricultural production and trade. After the Battle of Magdenburg a whole generation of young Lithuanians had been slain or wounded. Similarly the same was true after the First German War and like then Lithuania experienced rebellions and a fallow countryside.
The next five years where very difficult in Lithuania and many rebellions had started, most over food and welfare. The people where still living as near slaves despite the Grand Duke’s reforms, as a result the people had one chose to improve there lives, rebellion.
Wave of obscurantism +3 revolt risk
Flag of the Ukrainian rebels 1450
The most successful of these was the Ukrainian revolt of 1450. It revolt started years earlier in parts of the Ukraine held by the Golden Horde. The Golden Horde was a constant thorn in the side of its Lithuania and Russian neighbors as the Mongols could not keep there nation intact and rebellions in the Horde constantly crossed the border into their lands to pillage and incite revolt. In 1449 the area of Lithuania knows as Krementjug, which was ethnically Ukrainain rose up against the Grand Duke. Kazimieras sent several armies to crush the rebels but they where unsuccessful on May 5, 1450 the Ukrainians declared independence from the Golden Horde and Lithuania.
Ukraine declares independance from Golden Horde.
Taking one of my provences with it !@#$
The Grand Duke quickly declared war on May 9 and invaded to regain Krementjug. The war was a short one and by November the Lithuanians had taken all the large cities in Ukraine. The Ukrainians seceded Krementjug to the Lithuanians in exchange for peace. The Ukrainians did not have a nation for long as the Golden Horde invaded and took the remaining Ukrainian cities in 1465.
In all the time between the third war and 1455 was a relatively peaceful one and a new generation of Lithuanians did not know war. This peace was sort lived as the collapse of the Golden Horde and rebellion of the nobles flung Lithuania into civil war.
Part 6 - Pax Lithuania
After the third German War the Poland-Lithuania again tried to concentrate on domestic matters. This time fortunately would this goal would be met and with the exception of a Ukrainian rebellion in 1450 the next twenty years would be peaceful for the Lithuanians. This would be a welcome change to a nation that has known constant warfare for the last twenty five years.
The constant warfare had taken its toll on Poland-Lithuania, especially in Lithuania where they suffered the most losses and the greatest victories. Lithuania was a nation of disabled veterans, the elderly, women and children and this caused problems with agricultural production and trade. After the Battle of Magdenburg a whole generation of young Lithuanians had been slain or wounded. Similarly the same was true after the First German War and like then Lithuania experienced rebellions and a fallow countryside.
The next five years where very difficult in Lithuania and many rebellions had started, most over food and welfare. The people where still living as near slaves despite the Grand Duke’s reforms, as a result the people had one chose to improve there lives, rebellion.
Wave of obscurantism +3 revolt risk
Flag of the Ukrainian rebels 1450
The most successful of these was the Ukrainian revolt of 1450. It revolt started years earlier in parts of the Ukraine held by the Golden Horde. The Golden Horde was a constant thorn in the side of its Lithuania and Russian neighbors as the Mongols could not keep there nation intact and rebellions in the Horde constantly crossed the border into their lands to pillage and incite revolt. In 1449 the area of Lithuania knows as Krementjug, which was ethnically Ukrainain rose up against the Grand Duke. Kazimieras sent several armies to crush the rebels but they where unsuccessful on May 5, 1450 the Ukrainians declared independence from the Golden Horde and Lithuania.
Ukraine declares independance from Golden Horde.
Taking one of my provences with it !@#$
The Grand Duke quickly declared war on May 9 and invaded to regain Krementjug. The war was a short one and by November the Lithuanians had taken all the large cities in Ukraine. The Ukrainians seceded Krementjug to the Lithuanians in exchange for peace. The Ukrainians did not have a nation for long as the Golden Horde invaded and took the remaining Ukrainian cities in 1465.
In all the time between the third war and 1455 was a relatively peaceful one and a new generation of Lithuanians did not know war. This peace was sort lived as the collapse of the Golden Horde and rebellion of the nobles flung Lithuania into civil war.
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interesting
Civil War eh,
Good luck with that i'm confident you will crush the rebels.
Good AAR so far
Civil War eh,
Good luck with that i'm confident you will crush the rebels.
Good AAR so far