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Why do dukes, no matter how much they like you before they became duke, always hate you? They will always have the huge desires modifiers and will eventually revolt. No matter what you do they revolt. You can push their claims, hand them counties, THEY CAN EVEN BE OF YOUR DYNASTY, and they will still revolt. To balance these negative modifiers you need to sustain around a +45 opinion, but the modifiers capable of mitigating this seem to dissapear after so many years. You can't stop dukes from rising against you- really, every couple years you get to play as Abe Lincoln with dukes instead of states. This is ruining the game. I'm not an incompetant that can't please my dukes; I can take over the map via war or peace; I can play a small realm, never expand my borders, and still cover the map with my dynasty. I've been playing the game since it came out and one of teh last patches ruined the game. I've watched youtube let's plays; I've watched the ai that controls neighboring countries and guess what?? They all have revolts all the time.

And what do you do about the duke problem? Forget executing anyone for treason because you can't afford the -10 modifier it brings- it doesn't set the example it should for treason: IT ENCOURAGES TREASON. you have to let them out for the +10, but it doesn't matter, cause more dukes are still going to revolt! Forget fabricating claims, cross your fingers and hope for that opinion bonus to hold off the next war for a couple years so you can finish a building. I hate having to hand out gifts every couple years- it's tedious. Why do honorary titles give less of a bonus than a gift? Do you know how covetted they were? If dukes are going to act like this boosting the bonus of honorary titles might be a way to fix the problem. I have don't have the interest or time to mod though- I don't care if it's easy.

Do you know how slow the game plays when you're at war? Do you know how boring it is to fight the same war for the 5th time with the same ruler?? Besides, who are these IDIOTS that think their 5 counties plus their couple supporting counts can take over france or the hre? Please don't tell me to just not use dukes, create kingdoms, or whatever- setting up vassels is the heart of the game and unfortunately, it's currently broken. It isn't suppose to work like this. This is a serious problem. I played several games before I came to this conclusion too in order to make sure it's true.

This is such a huge deal because pleasing your vassels is the heart of the game. Whether you're small or large, if your vassels are happy the game is easy. It's not always possible to have happy vassels- and that's good because it makes you appreciate a good ruler; the challenge is fun. But right now it's not possible to keep dukes from rebelling. This has got to be fixed before I buy an expansion or even play any more which is too bad cause I really like the game. The game is just not fun past 1120 or so.
 

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I'm not having these problems. Sure, dukes occasionally get uppity, but I generally maintain good relations with them. You can also try weeding out the troublesome ones (with traits like proud or ambitious). Plotting against them or outright assassinating them in favor of heirs (that you can tutor!) may help to mellow things out.
 

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If you have a good king with good traits and a stable period of prosperity then if anything the game is way too easy. Just be selective and smart about who you give titles to - weeding out ambitious people especially, but also looking for vassals with high loyalty or the content trait.

Between strategic marriages to daughters/sisters, educating their children (if you see a Duke who is a minor, take the opportunity to educate him personally, it'll give you a relationship bonus), having them educate your children, gifts, honorary titles, keeping your personal demesne within its limits, and the occasional tournament if you're really having rebellions ALL the time then you're doing it wrong. I mean, maybe if you play as the Holy Roman Empire, but beyond them...
 

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Have you checked to make sure their de Jure duchies are intact??? I used to have a problem with Dukes rebelling but realized 50% of the time it was because they had had a count break off and become my direct vassal, so when I see x duke desires x county or x city or x bishopric i give it to them its theres so they should have it. For Dukes that this is the issue on the opinion screen it usually solves the problem fairly easily.

However depending on your size gifts would be needed as some are getting the desires x kingdom along with distance penalties and then if you throw a claim on your throne and the ambitious trait well that Duke will be extremely troublesome. So sometimes sadly its best to just hand over King titles when you get huge, especially the ones that are far far away.

All in all I rule over 7 kingdoms and one titular and have hardly any issues. On occasion one Duke will slip through the cracks and surprise me but usually not. They'll plot to acquire x kingdom but always end plot when I tell them playtime is over. Do agree with you though that honorary titles should carry more weight as their extremely limited and their benefit is so tiny I rarely ever even pay attention to them unless I need a slight relations boost with someone.

But like you said gifts can get tedious...I just entered my first ever regency in the late 1300s with a 3 year old heir and had to spend 8k in bribes to get a bit of breathing space, and that was after making sure every duke got a chunk of extra land and I finally gave up the third duchy I had held for 200 years :(
 

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No, you guys are wrong or something is wrong with the programming. I keep them happy. They go from +100 to -40. Like I said too, look around- the entire map is revolting. When I have great rulers- maybe a couple revolt, but they still revolt. Do you just play at slower speed than I do? My bonuses for granting counties are dissapearing. My bonusses for pressing are also going away. So even if I have a great ruler they still revolt. Believe me, I know how to play and I am having a different experience.

Not only that, read the forums: you can find comments where people advise not making dukes.

The bonus for pressing a claim, making someone a duke, or granting a county, should never go away. Not everyone is a thomas beckett.

I don't have a lot of time so I save and reload a lot. Is that what is causing bonuses to dissapear?

And you still have to always deal with the -45. Not every duke should want what he doesn't have.

I swear, if you haven't ecountered this problem you haven't played enough, have never created kingdoms, etc. Again, watch your neighbors- one will always be quelling a revolt
 

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I pay attention to de jure stuff cause I think it's fun. Yes, when my duke dies and I get his heir as duke they get tough to control and they should. I'm not complaining about challenge. There are far more negatives than positives and the negatives don't go away while the positives do. Mathematically that means that dukes will revolt so I don't believe that you don't have revolts
 

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I pay attention to de jure stuff cause I think it's fun. Yes, when my duke dies and I get his heir as duke they get tough to control and they should. I'm not complaining about challenge. There are far more negatives than positives and the negatives don't go away while the positives do. Mathematically that means that dukes will revolt so I don't believe that you don't have revolts
I do get revolts. Just not to the point where I'd complain as you currently are.
 

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did you read my post? I'm naming reasons and modifiers- do you think I guessed with the negative 45 modifier. This is what I mean, I really question if how much most people who disagree with me have played the game.
 

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No, you guys are wrong or something is wrong with the programming. I keep them happy. They go from +100 to -40. Like I said too, look around- the entire map is revolting. When I have great rulers- maybe a couple revolt, but they still revolt. Do you just play at slower speed than I do? My bonuses for granting counties are dissapearing. My bonusses for pressing are also going away. So even if I have a great ruler they still revolt. Believe me, I know how to play and I am having a different experience.

Not only that, read the forums: you can find comments where people advise not making dukes.

The bonus for pressing a claim, making someone a duke, or granting a county, should never go away. Not everyone is a thomas beckett.

I don't have a lot of time so I save and reload a lot. Is that what is causing bonuses to dissapear?

And you still have to always deal with the -45. Not every duke should want what he doesn't have.

I swear, if you haven't ecountered this problem you haven't played enough, have never created kingdoms, etc. Again, watch your neighbors- one will always be quelling a revolt

Find it funny you say that as half my Dukes have claims on all seven Kingdom titles of mine and they never rebel accept maybe one or two of them periodically on a succession or unless I try to imprison one and hey escape. Rarely have this problem though, maybe its because I'm always bribing them and constantly checking out why they're mad when the rebellion risk notifier pops up.

Gifts do have a time limit though as they should as people are greedy and feel if they threatened you once and got money they should try and try again. Like I said my 3 year old just inherited all 8 crowns (one is titular so truly 7 crowns) and no problems three years into his reign although I'm sure there will be a few rebellions later on.
 

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Find it funny you say that as half my Dukes have claims on all seven Kingdom titles of mine and they never rebel accept maybe one or two of them periodically on a succession or unless I try to imprison one and hey escape. Rarely have this problem though, maybe its because I'm always bribing them and constantly checking out why they're mad when the rebellion risk notifier pops up.

Gifts do have a time limit though as they should as people are greedy and feel if they threatened you once and got money they should try and try again. Like I said my 3 year old just inherited all 8 crowns (one is titular so truly 7 crowns) and no problems three years into his reign although I'm sure there will be a few rebellions later on.

Yes, some bonuses have time limits. I didn't think pressing, granting counties, dukedoms, etc do though.

I started playing again after about a month and a half and began having this problem; I never used to have this problem.
 

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Yeah I never knew those had time limits never really saw or experienced that but probably by the time it happened I had a long reign modifier to make up for it. Or could be where those random annoying bribes had to be paid out as well.

I used to have horrendous problem though but seems I've gotten the hang of vassal relations. Still have a few I can't control every now and then but haven't had a serious duke revolt on his own accord in probably a good 60+ years so I guess I consider myself lucky sucks its dragging you through the mud though.
 

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Accually bonuses like that have time limits, they always had it also remember that every game is different from your previous one, at least in my experience from CK1 and the EU games.

You also have to take in account that the AI has their own ambitions, take my example where I granted my daughters husband a dukedom... He was an german duke who lost all of his holdings to the former HRE, but through a twist of fate his dynasty took the HRE and made into an agnetic primo. Suddenly this perticular duke who had +100 wanted Kingdom of Hungary from me with the support of HRE..

Safe to say I lost..
 

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Accually bonuses like that have time limits, they always had it also remember that every game is different from your previous one, at least in my experience from CK1 and the EU games.

You also have to take in account that the AI has their own ambitions, take my example where I granted my daughters husband a dukedom... He was an german duke who lost all of his holdings to the former HRE, but through a twist of fate his dynasty took the HRE and made into an agnetic primo. Suddenly this perticular duke who had +100 wanted Kingdom of Hungary from me with the support of HRE..

Safe to say I lost..

Damn that sucks woulda been a fun AAR to read though :)
 

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I rarely get rebellions. It's fairly straightforward to maintain good relationships with your dukes, just give them what they want or ensure they don't want anything from you and only be a tyrant if they like you enough. There's no need usually to execute anybody and you don't have to release them either. Once the war is won just keep them in prison. If you want to punish them then revoke one of their titles, you get one free revocation if they rebel.