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"So Goodnight, Day": The Ukraine 1-20 September 1942

Soviet intelligence failed comprehensively to understand the German strategic intentions in the late summer and autumn of 1942. Essentially, Stalin and his immediate entourage repeated their mistakes before the 7 June 1941. They did not believe the Germans were capable of mounting a strategic offensive after their losses in the spring and early summer. On this basis, any evidence that a major blow was being prepared were dismissed as defeatism. Reports came in from Pe-2 overflights, from partisans, and from deserters that reinforcements were flowing into the German divisions and some 15-20 divisions that had been shattered in the spring battles had been refitted and moved back to the Soviet front.



The opening phase of the German counterstroke was seen as confirming the leadership's assessment that, at worst, this was just a stiffening of their defense and a localised counterattack.

For the first three weeks in September, the northern Ukraine remained quiet and the German blow fell on 4 and 9 Armies in Bessarabia and NE Rumania and 26 Army to their north. In consequence, by 5 September, rather than allow the South Ukrainian Front to go onto the defense, STAVKA ordered a disastrous offensive by 4 Army into Bessarabia.

The result was a brutal swirling battle from Uman to Chisinau.


(Infantry from 4 Army attacking in Bessarabia)

By the time it was over on 10 September, 4 Army had been driven from Balta,



exposing its northern flanks and had expended its remaining strength. Some 13,134 lives were lost for 8,852 Germans and their allies.


(a surprising Soviet POW after 4 Army retreated from Bessarabia)

Now, that 4 Army was vulnerable, on 10 September, the Germans went over to the offense across the sector hitting the Soviet lines at Ananyiv,



Talne, Artsyz and Tulcea all of which were in German hands by 18 September.

In the midst of these defeats, STAVKA finally accepted that the South Ukrainian Front was facing something more serious than just a localised attempt to regain a few provinces. Given permission to fall back to a new defence line, the first goal was to stem the German attack to allow a disengagement. So as the bulk of the 2 armies fell back, a major rearguard action was fought at Slobozia for 15 days from 16 September to 1 October,



badly disrupting the German timetable. Equally, 8 Tank Division counterattacked at Krasni Okny, briefly stemming the German advance.


(8 Tank Division pushing through retreating forces to attack at Krasnyi Okni)

This slowing of the German advance was temporary but the respite did allow 9 Army to complete its retreat from the lower Danube region.

However, even as the southern Ukrainian front started to unravel, STAVKA repeated its mistake in Bessarabia. Now 18 Mechanized Corps hit the Italian forces at Polonne.


(T-34s from 18 Mechanized pushing past destroyed Italian vehicles)

As expected, the Soviet armour slashed through the Italian lines reaching into the German rear.



However, the corps had attacked just as the German offensive broadened to include the entire Ukraine. As opposed to exploiting its gains and cutting German supply lines, it had advanced into a trap as the German offensive swept around its flanks.

Soviet losses reflected the failed offensives followed by the need to hold open retreat routes and to slow the German offensive. In total 31,646 Soviet soldiers died in the first three weeks of September, for 19,923 Germans and 5,741 of their allies. Across the entire front, September 1942 was to prove the bloodiest single month of the war as the German offensive gathered momentum and the Red Army, yet again, sought to stop them before they flooded across the Dniepr and again threatened Moscow.
 

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Surprising that Soviet command has made the same mistakes again, although it makes for a good read when things go wrong. Hopefully 18 Mechanized Corps can escape the German trap as it appears they are still in danger. Rather more importantly on a whole, hopefully the Axis assault can be blunted once more and a counter-attack with real gains made by the Soviets once again.
 

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Let them reach moscow, halt them at the gates, then launch Operation Uranus a couple thousand miles to the north of where it was historically!
maybe Paulus is in command of this offensive?
 

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Looks like the 18th Mech can take care of itself - as long as it doesn't fall into encirclement, that is...

Watching the front pivot around Talne and Uman is kind of hypnotic - there's so much potential, on either side. Who's going to end up outflanking whom?

I know you have untold numbers of pictures for this AAR, but you regularly still surprise me with the off-the-beaten-path types. Such as the camel captured by the Germans. Nice one. :)
 

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Just caught up again. The conflict in Central Asia is very interesting. Did I misread, or are the Japanese still not officially involved?

Also enjoyed the AI's sense of humour in sending Japanese marines to fight as far from the sea as possible.
 

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It's looking dicey, but still not too bad. From what you've said before, I suppose this is just the start of your problems.

I've always found retreats to be the most tense gameplay that HoI3 can offer. The helplessness you feel as you try to keep everything from falling apart entirely can be pretty exhausting.
 

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Surprising that Soviet command has made the same mistakes again, although it makes for a good read when things go wrong. Hopefully 18 Mechanized Corps can escape the German trap as it appears they are still in danger. Rather more importantly on a whole, hopefully the Axis assault can be blunted once more and a counter-attack with real gains made by the Soviets once again.

Ah STAVKA (ie me) is more than capable of repeating a mistake. What I've worked out with this aar is the AI-AI has at least 4 'moods', & it adopts one according to its assessment of its own strength and the relative forces. So in July-August it was feeling a bit put down, its divisions were short of manpower, it had supply problems etc, so for the most part it would fight and fall back if it was losing. It most definitely would not go for my rear, even if it pushed me back it'd stop (sometimes even pull back to the original line). By September its a bit frisky, its got supply, its divisions are pretty robust and its looking for revenge. After this round, I've got quite good at reading its mood shifts (it has also a retreat steadily mood and a scuttle off on first contact), which are not the same across a theatre (which is clever) and it'll be more or less agressive in a particular place depending on terrain (so even in its scuttle away mood, it'll fight tooth and nail in certain situations). All very clever.

The only thing I wish is I'd spotted the supply/not building reinforcements loop earlier. It may well then have got frisky by may/june and we'd have had a rather historic 1942 with me being hit hard at the start of summer.

Let them reach moscow, halt them at the gates, then launch Operation Uranus a couple thousand miles to the north of where it was historically!
maybe Paulus is in command of this offensive?

actually, thats not a million miles off what I do in December 42. Take the sting out of the offensive, reorganise and regroup and then use the second winter to my advantage again.

Looks like the 18th Mech can take care of itself - as long as it doesn't fall into encirclement, that is...

Watching the front pivot around Talne and Uman is kind of hypnotic - there's so much potential, on either side. Who's going to end up outflanking whom?

I know you have untold numbers of pictures for this AAR, but you regularly still surprise me with the off-the-beaten-path types. Such as the camel captured by the Germans. Nice one. :)

One of the many things I've enjoyed with the game play in this AAR is the AI's relative inventiveness and the way my spreadsheet with all the battles keeps on showing up the same towns being traded back and forth throughout the 41-43 phase.

The camel was too good to miss out on, was looking for something else at the time, but I've been waiting a while to find an excuse to use that particular image.

Great that the AI can still counterattack!
Would be too boring to get Berlin if not so :p

I must admit than in early August, I sort of thought this was going to be a linear slog to Berlin, with the AI passively being driven back and the main constraint being my relatively short offensive reach. To get hit so hard, and across the front, was a rather large surprise.

Just caught up again. The conflict in Central Asia is very interesting. Did I misread, or are the Japanese still not officially involved?

Also enjoyed the AI's sense of humour in sending Japanese marines to fight as far from the sea as possible.

We are indeed still at peace, so all the Japanese formations in combat are pretending to fight for Xibei. All this was caused by a bug that has now been squashed of Nat Chi's old allies in Xibei and Guanxi entering the axis as German puppets not as Japan's when Nat Chi crashed out. So they went to war automatically when the German's invaded. Its actually rather fun, its a new region to fight over, a new set of problems and a new drain on my resources.


It's looking dicey, but still not too bad. From what you've said before, I suppose this is just the start of your problems.

I've always found retreats to be the most tense gameplay that HoI3 can offer. The helplessness you feel as you try to keep everything from falling apart entirely can be pretty exhausting.

Agree utterly, you are constantly calculating and recalculating, watching retreat routes, making pointless counterattacks just to allow the bulk of the army to fall back and so on. To me its the most involving part of the game in that a well planned offensive runs itself at the start and the main decision is when to call it off. One thing I really like with HOI is the number of ways you can play the game, but for the life of me I can't see the point of playing as the USSR with level 10 forts down the western border so Germany either never attacks or immediately stalls. Even more than France, to me the USSR is the country to play if you fancy having the experience of a long sustained period of defensive operations.
 

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I got suprised when you showed the world map your actually winning war against whole Europe :)

it certainly isn't helping ;), even if the UK AI wouldn't have managed a second front, there is no bombing & as I find out later, the German AI leaves very little in France or the UK itself

just goes to show ... don't mess with the Rodina :cool:
 

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"There is a pain, so utter" – Minsk-Kalinin, September 1942

The German offensive on the main Western axis took a very different form to that in the Ukraine. In September, the long line from Homyel to Minsk saw little action except at Barysaw late in September where an attack led by 16 Panzer was fended off.



Both sides concentrated on the north west, looking for a decisive victory before the autumn rains slowed the pace of operations. Somewhat confusingly, both sides were on the offensive at the same time but in different directions. The Soviets continued to drive north from the Smolensk region in an effort to reach Leningrad. On the other hand, German blows continued to rain down on the Kalinin Front (1 and 8 Army) and the freshly created Ladoga Front trying to hold open the land connection to Leningrad.


(Vassily Chuikov, who just held together 8 Army in the September-October period when it bore the brunt of the axis offensive in this region)

This was further complicated as the Germans also attacked the west flank of the Soviet offensive. When added to the VVS hitting German supply lines and reinforcement columns, the entire region was aflame.


(one of the new Tu-2s with a higher payload than the Pe-2 in action near Pskov)

The Kalinin Front, again, took the brunt of the defensive fighting. Divisions of both 1 and 8 Armies had been fighting back and forth across the same set of towns since early Spring.


(8 Army OOB at 1 September, before this round of combat)

The result was the poor road network was now non-existent, and both sides were hampered by huge problems in bringing up supplies and reinforcements. All Chuikov and Christyakov could do was to exhort their battered divisions to hold the line and slowly, village by village fall back.


(Soviet defense lines, 8 Army sector)

Between them, they had one corps (Malinovski's 36 Army Corp) as a reserve – in reality this formation was not in the front line merely because it had been ripped to pieces in an August battle to hold open the land connection to Lake Ladoga.

The fighting saw a mixture of temporary defensive victories such as at Bugry on 7 September and Torzok on 9 (which stopped the Germans driving a wedge between 8 Army and 13 Army on the Smolensk sector. At the same, Chuikov knew he could not hold his front just by defensive actions. Two major offensives were aimed at Eltsy in an attempt to keep the Germans off balance in 25 Corps sector.



The first time, 7 Panzer defeated the assault with heavy losses, but at the second attempt 25 Corps briefly drove the Germans back (in combination almost 3,500 Soviet and 3,300 Germans died in and around this small town alone). Elsewhere, as the month went on, the line started to crack with Staroye lost on 13 September, Bugry on the 12th and Afimino in early October. A major counterattack at Staroye from 24 to 30 September foundered on the Tigers of 6 Heavy Armour and the same formation, in combination with 4 Panzer took Spirovo on the 27 September.


(German Tiger Tanks moving to the front near Spirovo)

Even as 8 Army seemed to be buckling under the fury of the German offensive, it just managed to cling on to Torzok by 26 September.



This small town was fast becoming the pivotal point on the entire front.

At the same time, the Soviet offensive was scarcely less compex. 1 and 2 Tank combined with 13 Army attacked north in a narrow wedge from Toropec to Nelidov.


(T-34s moving towards Peno in early September)

In the meantime 3 Army took responsibility for holding the western flank and handed over the Minsk-Homyel sector to the 10 Army.


(Katyushas attached to 13 Army as part of the wider Torzok-Eltsy battles)

The weight of 9 Tank Divisions (including 2 recently designated as Guards) shattered the German forces facing them at Peno, Ostakov (where 5 SS Panzer was battered), Mal Lokohovo and Komsomolsky taken on 26 September from the now shattered 5 SS Panzer. This was then held against a German counterattack on 30 September led by 2 Heavy Armour.



The fall of Krasnaya Zarya on 30 September put elements of 1 Tank Army at the rear of the axis forces slashing at 8 Army at Torzok.

However, even as the Soviet armoured spearhead drove north, 3 Army was slowly giving ground on its flank.

Even more than in the Ukraine, it was not at all clear who had the mastery on this sector. 8 Army in particular was on the verge of collapse, 10 Army was too weak to hold its long front in the event of a sustained attack. Equally the combined weight of 1 and 2 Tank Armies was running into increasingly dogged resistance. At this stage, both sides seemed to have concentrated the vast bulk of their armoured forces in this sector as they both strove for a decisive victory. It was quickly becoming a race against time, for the battered Soviet rifle divisions to hold out long enough for the armour to seal their tormentors in a trap.

STAVKA was able to note that although the German Tiger tanks remained formidable opponents, they were no longer decisive. The new 85mm gave both the T-34s and the KV-2s the means to knock them out and improved infantry anti tank tactics meant even unsupported rifle divisions could inflict losses.


(destroyed Tiger in 2 Tank Army sector)

Equally, the sheer concentration of Soviet armour was enough to break through even the most determined of resistance and to allow both Tank Armies to rotate their formations in and out of combat.

Casualties mirrored the intensity of the fighting. The Soviets lost 47,788 (32,873 from 1 and 8 Armies) and the Germans 39,687 (and their allies a further 6,434). This butcher's bill ignores the losses at and around Lake Ladoga or in the Arctic battles.
 

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Brutal stuff. It appears as if things are still hanging in the balance but beginning to turn in your favour. Hopefully you have indeed managed to blunt their attack and can now make yet another counter-attack.
 

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Overall, you have liberated about the same amount of territory as the Germans newly occupied, so in that sense it's a bloody draw. Overall, though, your gains seem far more relevant than the thin strips of land where the Germans pushed in your frontlines. In the north, the German Southern flank looks tantalizingly exposed. If only your armies weren't wrecked, if only the Autumn rains weren't on their way... You look so close to a decent encirclement, yet, given your circumstances, it's still so far away.

Still, the Germans really need to be winning big and they're not. Which basically means that their long, slow, arduous slide to defeat has begun. It's just a matter of time (and many, many dead Soviet and Axis soldiers). :)
 

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You seem to be holding the line well enough, although it's a concern that the Germans seem to be mass-deploying Tigers in 1942. That said, battle casualties seem much more even now than at the beginning of Barbarossa, when the Germans would dish out a lot of punishment for comparatively little loss.
 

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Interesting. Although I suspect German tank losses have been extremely heavy, and concentrated in units that have to stay in the front line. You have a possible crisis in the Ukraine, a definite crisis outside Kalinin, and opportunities north of Smolensk and in the Arctic. Do you have strategic reserves available to commit to 8th Army sector? That would be my priority. Accept that the armoured offensive isn't getting much further, try to get infantry to take over those positions, give 3rd Army a bit of support, and rest your armour for a winter offensive. In the Ukraine, any advance is going into territory that's already been fought over, so it's not the worst loss, but a breakthrough around Kalinin threatens Moscow.
 
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Very interesting developments! I am very impressed with the AI, it has propelled this AAR from good to great! Also nice to see that it's building heavy tanks as well.
It's looking like a refreshingly historical 1944-45-46 finish, instead of either faction winning after one year.