The Great Game 2

[Lurken]

Sterk, I was somewhat surprised that our comrades didn't pause and rehost by their own.

However, I will press for massive edits, if Poland is rendered unplayable. You will not suffer only because the host was AFK, then the GM should have stepped in and done something.

Sterkarm, I respect and admire you as a CKMP player.

 

[binTravkin]

Due to issues arisen, we called it a day.

CSK has reportedly been editing the save and hopes are he'll upload in closest possible time.

Meanwhile I would like to ask all players to express their feelings about the game along with any suggestions or ideas on improvement that come to their mind.

 

[Kujy]

For now I will probably stay in the game, though it will definitely be a chore rather than fun having to play. No matter how bad off Castille is, what really makes me want to quit is the overall bad vibe given off by one player in particular, you can take a guess who that is here. I might sound like the hypocrite here over what went down with Ego, but at least there I resigned myself to continue and keep trying to get independent of France. Here, though, every session I have attended I see the Polish player [bitch] about not getting his way, etc. Bad enough we have to rehost so often because of him, the animosity being created was thisclose to making me want to leave permanently today.

@CSK: Sorry if I acted like an ass in the game towards you today, but the war with Grenada left me really frustrated. And now I can't peace with them because of my sub-25 piety so best I can hope for is to soundly beat them and force peace, alone I can't do that however.

 

[Sid Meier]

I'll join the saturday Marth Through Time game, but I can't join the sunday one, playing 12 hours of RTS games in the weekend is a bit over bored since I'l have ot move my computer and the internet up and down some 3 times.

 

[binTravkin]

I would add to what Kujy says that often game seems not fun at all.
Particularly it's because the existing political setup, whereas, whatever the Polish player starts bickering about, is supported by practically everyone, whether by interest or simply as to show some influence in politics.
You can have your argument that Rus has gotten powerful, but it's hardly valid against Germany's yet unchallenged 1st position and Italy's rapidly advancing 2nd.

 

[unmerged(48100)]

Kujy, sorry about that. We will save you in time. But please help me in the battles, it makes no sense to keep your 2k men behind mine when they together would win the battle.

I have no objections to take all lands in Spain, and when they go free I let them. They will probably join you later Kujy.

What shall all be edited bin? What I know is that Poland gets back the lost vassals and the war get's ended. What else? Please tell me and I'll do today, if not I'll do and upload it tomorrow.

 

[binTravkin]

Upload as-is and I'll tell.
Not much though should be, mainly it should be peace ensured, vassals will rejoin in a year or two.

 

[unmerged(48100)]

Upload as-is and I'll tell.
Not much though should be, mainly it should be peace ensured, vassals will rejoin in a year or two.

I think you have the november 1094 save.

 

[Kujy]

I know I haven't been much help in the war CSK. Just that I am scrambling to stop Grenada from capturing any more of my (or my vassals', e.g. Vallaloid) provinces. Add to that wherever I send my armies so as to merge them in one province there the Muslims are, knocking them out because of their sheer number and forcing them to retreat. This is constantly happening and I feel like I am going in circles trying to gather my regiments in one place. Add to that by this time I am only able to mobilize less than 10,000 men due to war exhaustion, and Castile is on it's last legs. If it wasn't for my monarch being able to keep his vassals relatively in line I'd be finished (...again).

 

[unmerged(48100)]

Kujy, you forget that Granada is running out of men too. They have not more than 15 000 now, and I have another 7000 on the way to you. If I really would use all my force I'd be at roughly 50 000. I still get 40 gold per month and could continue this war very long.

The Pyrenees are taking their toll, both by time it needs to get over them and by attrition.

Let us just keep your capital, then you may control the sieges and get your lands back.

Your vassals you can lose, no problem with that as I still have the superior force, just keep your King.

 

[Sterkarm]

Quite frankly, we don't have enough people for what we plan to accomplish. We are trying to take a game from CK-->EU2 and even further onwards. That means there has to be competition the whole time, with multiple outcomes. Now, in MTT right now I'm realizing this. I've had competition the entire game, from Norway, Hungary, or Rus, but it has never been dynamic. It has always been us fighting a war, the usual allies joining in on each side and whichever side has the most troops + good tactics wins. That's how it went again and again and again. Now, many times there were different winners, but it felt like fighting the same war over and over again because nothing changed. The same countries were fighting on the same sides for pretty much the same goals as they had before.

We need quite a few dedicated players in order to accomplish anything close to what we hope to do. We have dedicated players, but not enough. The reason for this is that more active players means that there are fewer gargantuan realms. The lands are divided up better and AI kingdoms become sometimes like neutral barriers as opposed to lambs being led to the slaughter. The only way to get a game like this to work is to have a large number of dedicated players who will keep playing even when their countries take a hit. Now, I believe I made one big mistake at the beginning of this game. I failed to try to bring in the EU2 MP crowd. That is a huge community, bigger than all the other Paradox MP communities put together. What we need to do, is get them in, but it's too late for that I believe in this game.

 

[Lurken]

I fear what Sterkarm says is true.

Maybe it would be best if we scrap this game, and restart, after advertising in EU2MP?

 

[Kujy]

I failed to try to bring in the EU2 MP crowd. That is a huge community, bigger than all the other Paradox MP communities put together.

But are there enough from that community who (a) have CK and (b) are willing to waste a Sunday on it every week?

 

[Sterkarm]

But are there enough from that community who (a) have CK and (b) are willing to waste a Sunday on it every week?

Whether there are or not, we have to try. If we could manage to get just 10 total players (who actually showed up or posted when they couldn't, unlike some of the players who said they were in at the start of this game) I think it would work well. More would be better, but we also have to see about some way of making CK more stable.

 

[Kujy]

Whether there are or not, we have to try. If we could manage to get just 10 total players (who actually showed up or posted when they couldn't, unlike some of the players who said they were in at the start of this game) I think it would work well. More would be better, but we also have to see about some way of making CK more stable.

First thing, then, is to purge the player list in the first post. Ganso, Hey Steve and Goose can be classified as "god knows what happened to 'em." Riddermark and Drachenfire have router issues IIRC, maybe someone here knows a little about fixing those MP-killing nuisances?

I guess we can go and begin another thread in the CKMP forum to gauge interest for a new MP game set to start possibly a week after Easter Sunday. I assume we can pick up at least a couple of more players in addition to this core, so even that will be a big improvement over now.

As for recruiting in the EU2 forum, I would leave that to you and Lurken (Varyar maybe?) since I think you have at least some sort of a rep there. I don't venture into that scary place.

 

[Lurken]

I can check the mood in EU2MP.

 

[unmerged(19136)]

I would love to join you guys in CK MP. Just find out what you all really want and il get back.

 

[binTravkin]

Insane, you're insanely welcome!
Yeah, we'll sort things out.
Probably, if there are more newcomers, we'll be restarting, guys hate me getting big as Rus too fast too early..

 

[unmerged(55295)]

Esli vi prodolshite igrat' v voskresenie v to she samoe vremya, ya ne smogu prodolsgat' s vami. Ya bi poigral do 00:00 v subbotu no ne v voskresen'e. Igrat' po 3-4 chasa v voskresen'e do 21.00 s russkimi menya ustraivaet bol'she, esli delat' vibor meshdu vami i imi. Ya nachal organizovivat' igri na russkom forume eshe do togo kak vstretil vas, tak chto bit' ogranichenim v vibore vremenina russkuyu idgru i odnovremenno terpet' neudobstva iz-za pozdnego okonchaniya kak u nas govoryat "burshiyskoy" ( ) igri ya ne hochu.

P.S. Moi podopecnie v tot raz reshili chto vi eto igroki kotorih ya sobral na nashu igru.

 

[Joohoo]

If you are restarting the campaign I might be interested. It has been awhile since I played CK now and I want to test 1.05
May I join?