The Great Concubine Drain

[The Guru]

I have posted this first on the HIP forum, but I've been told that if it hadn't been fixed yet it's simply because it is hardcoded and they can't do anything about it.

So, your a pagan character and want to "Invite to Court" a number of interesting non-married female characters. A number of factors come into the equation, and most of the time you will get a negative answer.
Don't give up, just get her as a concubine! Whatever the factors playing against you in the "Invite to Court" equation, it's kinda automatic, with very very few exceptions.
Suck every foreign court within range of their valuable female characters, including, and specially, their precious high-stats spymasters and chaplains. They might hate you, their lord might hate you, they'll come anyway.

Now, you might say, there's a limit of three concubines. No problem, when you have dragged the third one, instantly "set her aside", and the slot is free again. From day one of your campaign, you could drain dozens and dozens of women if you care to.

I don't think I need to explain why I feel it's a little strange that a female character, with a prominent role in the council of a lord she loves very much - while having a very poor opinion of you - would bluntly refuse your "invitation" to your court ( lots of "-" and no "+"), only to accept if it's to join you as a concubine.

Shouldn't there be:

1) a small cooldown between the moment you take a concubine and the moment you dump her
2) an opinion equation similar to the one that determines Invite to Court outcomes

 

[joos]

Please, no more cooldowns. Also, when you invite her, you are directly dealing with her. But to take her as a concubine, you are dealing with her liege. So there's that. Also, there are numerous such things that can be abused, like matrilineal marriages. So best would be to show some restraint and roleplay instead of farming intelligent women.

 

[The Guru]

Also, when you invite her, you are directly dealing with her. But to take her as a concubine, you are dealing with her liege

So the liege in question forces his extremely talented female counsellor to leave his service to go and bed some lower-status distant lord who he has a extremely low opinion of?
Hardly.
I know it's not a game-breaking exploit, or the only exploit hanging around, but still. And regarding restraint and roleplay, well, I would like to get some pretty and intelligent concubines, I would just like the rules to tell me which ones I can have and which ones I can't, rather than having to figure out arbitrarily where exactly is the limit.
Also, I don't see why a cooldown in this particular case would be problematic. I mean, you ask for a concubine and dump her on the very same day?

 

[joos]

Also, I don't see why a cooldown in this particular case would be problematic. I mean, you ask for a concubine and dump her on the very same day?

Well, I AM the law! And it's good to be the count/duke/king/basileus.

I agree with your point about the liege giving away his intelligent female courtier. There could be a 'Too valuable' malus to such interactions, I suppose. But unless the liege has a healthy status of women in his realm, it shouldn't matter so much. We are talking about a time when birth was more important than traits. Even a genius lowborn is still a lowborn and must not be guarded so jealously by her liege.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

I thought that there were many other factors to deal with when you Diplo Capture concubines.

Close relative
Different Religion
Important

Etc... maybe these modifiers were removed in HIP?

 

[The Guru]

Well, there are a few exceptions, but basically you can get 95% of the females you target. And there is no limit to how many you can abduct that way.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Well, there are a few exceptions, but basically you can get 95% of the females you target. And there is no limit to how many you can abduct that way.

I rarely get Concubines the first time. I have to shower the Liege in gold for a 5 years before they accept. I usually just get concubines from my dungeon.

Anyway, I think that HIP edited it somehow. You can always ask on the HIP forums.

 

[The Guru]

Really? the HiP team actually said the regretted it was hardcoded, or they would have fixed it a while ago already...

I never have any problem draining all the best female counsellors from all neighbouring courts...

 

[TankRush]

I just think there should be an option to set aside a concubine that doesn't piss them off.

Like it fires a small event where you have the option of letting them retire somewhere in luxury, turfing them out on the street, or maybe even marrying them to a random courtier.