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Here's a Zimbabwe shield with the bird I've promised.
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I'm not certain about the background color, haven't found any info on that, so I've done several colors, and looked at each. I liked black one better. White, red and green variants are also available. If someone has something against black background, say so. If not, I'll make the set available.
 
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need help with the netherlands

mad king james: good catch on the orange stripe on the early netherlands flag ;)

well, i'm having a problem: i was going to do a shield for the netherlands, but the only arms i found for the united provinces (also known as the 'republic of the seven united netherlands') is on this page: http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Regions/Benelux/Pays_Bas.htm it's the top image, in case you can't read french. the bottom image is the arms for the kingdom of the netherlands, circa 1814. my problem? when i scale down the image, the sword and arrows are too indistinct; it ends up looking like the (ugly) bulgaria i posted on leprechaun's site. i was hoping someone could freehand one maybe, since i'm no good at that. i'll let you know if i find another image, but so far that's the only one.

here's some history on the arms, and the netherlands:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/nl.html
(look under 'short history')
and
http://europeanhistory.about.com/cs/lowcountries/

keep gufsm-ing,
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wait a minute...

birger, i just noticed you have a netherlands set; but, according to the image i found, the background should be red, and the lion yellow... let me find out what's going on...

steph
 

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Uzbekh shield

Would it be possible to redo the Uzbekh shield so just the hand and the crescent are visible?
 

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Re: wait a minute...

Originally posted by stephanos
birger, i just noticed you have a netherlands set; but, according to the image i found, the background should be red, and the lion yellow... let me find out what's going on...

steph

I made it based on info I found here
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aha...

okay, so maybe what i thought were the netherland's arms were really the arms of the batavian republic... thanks birger. ;)

steph

p.s. don't you just hate it when internet sites don't agree? since that one is dutch, i'm thinking it must be more correct; the other one is french.
 

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I think the Wappenlexicon site is german, :)
Btw, here's some info of the Netherland arms.

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During the Spanish occupation, the provinces of the Netherlands (which then included present Belgium) formed a parliament, the Staten-Generaal. A total of 17 provinces was represented. As many of the provinces had a lion in their arms, the symbol of the Staten-Generaal became a lion. A sword was added as a symbol of power and 17 arrows as a symbol of unity.

In 1579 the northern provinces united in the Union of Utrecht and formed their own Republic of the Seven United Netherlands. At the same time a similar union was formed in the South, basically dividing the Netherlands and Belgium. The Republic, which became officially independent in 1648, but was practically independent since 1579, took the arms of the 17 provinces, but changed the number of arrows to 7. As colours, the colours of Holland, the most important of the newly united provinces, were taken. The arms of Holland are or, a lion rampant gules, tongue and nails azure. These arms, sometimes with modifications, were used until the French occupation in 1795.
 

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I just checked out the preview page (can't try it out in use until later).

1. Could you put an index for the previews?

2. Why the Orange-white-blue flag for Netherlands? I thought it was agreed the red-white-blue was more appropriate?

3. I was diappointed with the Ukraine flag and shield. The flag, in particular, looks like it just has a white smear in the middle. Any chance of finding an image of the Archangel that has more relief on it, so that it stands out a bit more?

I don't mean to seem critical - it looks great!
 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
1. Could you put an index for the previews?
How's it now? (Still at http://mozart.atpnet.com/~korath/eu2/gufsm/preview.html)
2. Why the Orange-white-blue flag for Netherlands? I thought it was agreed the red-white-blue was more appropriate?
Support for the orange flag (collected in this thread) was nearly unanimous.
3. I was diappointed with the Ukraine flag and shield. The flag, in particular, looks like it just has a white smear in the middle. Any chance of finding an image of the Archangel that has more relief on it, so that it stands out a bit more?
This was the best Ukraine-specific Archangel we were able to find (it's from World Statesmen). Also, we were somewhat pressed for time; Ukraine squeaked in just before the deadline.
I don't mean to seem critical - it looks great!
If no one's critical, we'll have a much harder time improving the project. Heck, if we weren't critical in the first place, we'd still be using the Paradox graphics. :)
 

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The index looks great, and makes it so easy to navigate!

As for the Netherlands, I read the same thread, and thought that the consensus was that the orange flag looked nicer, but the red flag was more historic. Am I wrong?

I'll look around a bit mroe and see if I can find a better archangel. Can anyone else do the same?

And thanks for taking my comments in the spirit they were intended!
 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
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3. I was diappointed with the Ukraine flag and shield. The flag, in particular, looks like it just has a white smear in the middle. Any chance of finding an image of the Archangel that has more relief on it, so that it stands out a bit more?

I don't mean to seem critical - it looks great!

This is what I found out about the Archangel flag:

THE COSSACK PERIOD.
The most common banners were rectangular or oblique (_skosheni_), that is, right-angled trapeziums with angular upward or downward cuts. Triangular pennants were used on the lances of cavalrymen and as standards of small military units. The most important state emblems were the two hetman standards: the first was red with a white figure of the Archangel Michael; the second had a representation of the coat of arms of the individual hetman. The flags were in the charge of the *general standard-bearer. The flags of the Hetman state in the 17th century were of many colors, but red was predominant. There were company, regimental, and kurin standards, banners, and pennants. In the 18th century azure flags with golden or yellow crosses and sometimes other devices (celestial bodies, weapons, saints) began to predominate.
The Zaporozhian Sich had its own flags. The great banner of the Sich was red with a white Archangel Michael on the right side and a white Greek cross surrounded by a golden sun, crescent, and stars on the left side. The flags of the kurins and palankas were usually crimson with representations of the Archangel Michael or white cross. The ensign used in sea campaigns was white and contained a depiction of St Nicholas. In the 17th and I8th centuries, not only military units, but also so-called privileged cities and their guilds had their own flags.[/B]
 

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One other version of archangel - on arms of Kiev. Maybe this one could make it on a more aestetic shield.
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As arms of Kiev it is also quite legitimate. White on red was, first of all, cossacks' emblem.
And one more thing - from the same source - arms of Suzdal, stated to have been adopted in 1024. A bit of food-for thought.
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If they don't show I'll hang myself. WHY DO MY GRAPHIC LINKS ALWAYS GET MESSED UP!?!:mad:
 
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BJ,

I agree with the white archangel on the red background - all I sugested is to find an image of the archangel that has more relief, or that stands out better when on the red background.

And Walter, I have no idea why your image links don't work. I did the old "copy and paste into a separate window" trick and they wrked fine. The Kievan Archangel could, actually, work just fine I'd think, for Ukraine.
 

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Originally posted by Walter Hawkwood
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If they don't show I'll hang myself. WHY DO MY GRAPHIC LINKS ALWAYS GET MESSED UP!?!:mad:

I can see them. :)

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