The Grand Unified Flag/Shield Mod 1.0

[Walter Hawkwood]

Originally posted by Korath
I agree that the white flag with purple over black canton isn't the best choice, but the blue/red vertical bicolor, which was used undefaced for only five months, isn't either. A blue over red horizontal bicolor, however, was in use for some fourteen years during the EU2 period and a total of about seven more after it, and forms the basis of all later flags (except Duvalier's dictatorship):

Sure. What I meant it was blue-red bicolor most of the time. The one I made was the first actually used civil flag. I don't really think it makes much difference if we use it horizontal or vertical, except that horizontal one reminds me painfully of something. Well, nevermind.

 

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new site

korath, i found a new site http://membres.lycos.fr/heratlas/ and on this page http://membres.lycos.fr/heratlas/provence/cprovenc.htm it seems to suggest the fleur de lis was first used in 1481... so, there's the answer to that question; but would that be more anachronistic than using the current aragon shield? (was provence made a part of france by 1481?) anyway, i suppose the standard way is okay. what did everyone think of the links i've posted so far? (about the indians, atjeh, and so on in the previous posts... just want to know in what direction i should keep looking.)

steph

p.s. i just read that provence was made a part of france in 1481 and given arms that were basically a simplification of those of charles of anjou; so it would be 'bad' to use those for the grand campaign... what about as a revolter?

 

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Here is few sets I made, I have dozens of others (most with flags) too if you're interested. I can upload complete sets if someone wants them:

Benin

Bengal

Cherokee

Haiti

Inca

Iroquois

Pirates

Perm

Zimbabwe

 

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Here is some more:

Zulu

Austria

Cambodia

Dakota

Ashanti

Dahomey

GBR-Union Jack

Makassar

 

[Walter Hawkwood]

Zimbabwe shield you've made (just as Paradox one) depicts modern Zimbabwe arms. The most ancient symbol known for Zimbabwe is a specific bird (now depicted on their flag). I don't know if it was used for ancient Zimbabwe state, but it is the best we can get. I'm making a probe shield soon.

 

[Birger]

Originally posted by Trajanus
Here is few sets I made, I have dozens of others (most with flags) too if you're interested. I can upload complete sets if someone wants them:

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Iroquois

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Great job, however the Iroquois shield seems to be missing some squares...

 

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Originally posted by Birger Jarl


Great job, however the Iroquois shield seems to be missing some squares...

Unfortunately, that's true, but if you add all of them the image is too small and blurry. I hope someone finds a better shield image for Iroquois or I might just make a shield of the center symbol (pinetree?).

 

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Originally posted by Birger Jarl

Archangel Michael

I'd agree with this as a Ukrainian flag (although I really like the tryzub. The blue and yellow flag, and the tryzub, are all 19th century creations. Sure the trident does appear on some old coins and buildings from the Kievan Rus era, but weren't in use in that 1419-1820 period.

BarristerBoy

 

[Birger]

Yup that's the most proper shield for that period, have to find a better pic before I make the whole set.

 

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Originally posted by Birger Jarl
Yup that's the most proper shield for that period, have to find a better pic before I make the whole set.

Good luck - I tried to find a picture at some point, but all I could find was just text descriptions (Archangel Michael on a red background).

What are you going to do for the flag?

BarristerBoy

 

[Birger]

It depends on what I can find.

This might be a good flag but it feels like it's missing some colors...

 

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The angel looks so pixelated I suspect it wouldn't translate very well.

BarristerBoy

 

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France/Orleans flags

Not one any better than using France Ancient like Paradox does; it's three and a half decades out of date at the beginning of the GC, if I recall correctly. On the other hand, I think the shields are distinct enough, and we can certainly make the label on the Orleans flag more distinct. How's this?

Thanks Korath

In my view the version you showed above is much clearer.
I have to admit I hadn't even noticed the white design at the top of the original flag at 1280 screen res.

That just raised a question in my mind. I presume the shields & flags will look best playing at 800 res. If you play at higher res, does the benefit of the 24 bit flags decline substantially, or are they still much better looking/clearer?

 

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Here is more pics of my shields, I'll try to get complete sets uploaded somewhere (other than my friend's paid server):

USA

Assam

Atjeh

Aztec

Baluchistan

Khmer

Khazak Horde

La Plata

Maya

Mali

 

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And the last ones . I know most of my shields are based on same source as Paradox ones, but I have not been able to find much better ones. So, if anyone finds better images for these, I can make a shield set:

Mexico

Malacca

Myanmar

Taungu

Vientiane

Vijayanagar

Xho Xhosa

Zanj

 

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Originally posted by Trajanus
Here is more pics of my shields, I'll try to get complete sets uploaded somewhere (other than my friend's paid server):

If your main concern is getting them included in the GUFSM, they can be emailed directly to me.

 

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zulu revisited

Originally posted by Trajanus

Zulu

this image is from the flag of the kwazulu/natal homeland of south africa; it gets confusing, but apparently kwazulu doesn't exactly correspond to the zulu nation, especially in the game's terms. on this page http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/za-kn.html further down you'll see a paragraph called 'the zulu people'; from there it suggests that the emblem of the zulu is an upright shield like the one above, but half white and the bottom half black like this: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/sz.html anyway, on that first page, above the 'zulu people' paragraph, you'll see a flag with a better image idea: 'flag of the zulu king'. the paragraph goes on to explain that the color of that shield is highly symbolic. i think the silver shield on a white (black?) background might be the way to go. i don't know if the lions would be there without the british heraldic influence, despite the fact that the king is the 'lion of the zulu'.

one of the many g.u.f./s.m. researchers,
steph

p.s. that being said, all of those shields are high quality

 

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Re: zulu revisited

That's right, the Zulu shield comes from kwazulu flag, but I don't think Swaziland flag in itself is right either as Swazi were not Zulus either. There are many compromises in African shields (Xho Xhosa is really Ciskei "nation" and quite modern, Mali symbol is from quite new flag, Zimbabwe is from modern CoA and the Ashanti shield represents the Ashanti golden stool symbol and is not a CoA or flag). I think the African tribes are the most difficult ones, and I hope better pics will be found (I'm making a shield from the Zimbabwe bird symbol now).

 

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not what i meant...

i know... that wasn't to suggest the swaziland flag as such; the article stated that the zulu people carried shields with the design on that flag. what i was saying is that a white/black or the silver shield might be the rub. the mali shield isn't too bad an idea, either; that is a genuine mali symbol, and mad king james supported the thought a couple of posts back.

didn't mean to miscommunicate (but then who does?) i know how hard it is to look up this obscure stuff...
steph

 

[Birger]

I've redone some shields again...

Denmark

Pskov

Wallachia