The Grand Multiplayer ramble thread

  • Crusader Kings II Expansion Subscription

    Subscribe to the CK II Expansion and enjoy unlimited access to 13 major expansions and more!


  • Paradox Midsummer Sale has arrived! Up to 75% off!

    Enjoy some sun and song this Midsummer, but when the sun goes down, the fun doesn't have to stop! Paradox has a festive sale on plenty of games to keep your summer nights going!


    June 18th - June 30th
  • Crusader Kings III Available Now!

    The realm rejoices as Paradox Interactive announces the launch of Crusader Kings III, the latest entry in the publisher’s grand strategy role-playing game franchise. Advisors may now jockey for positions of influence and adversaries should save their schemes for another day, because on this day Crusader Kings III can be purchased on Steam, the Paradox Store, and other major online retailers.


    Real Strategy Requires Cunning

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour



EDITED 2020

Hey guys! I'm editing this one to say that we've made a Darkest Hour Multiplayer Group on Discord.

https://discord.gg/kxP4XQx

A place where people can casually drop in, shoot the shit, and meet other like-minded.
I know people can often be eager to start a game, but not join one, but hopefully we can keep the DH flame alive and get to know each other. :)
 
Last edited:

y10r

Second Lieutenant
26 Badges
Sep 9, 2014
153
30
  • Darkest Hour
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Victoria 2
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Sengoku
  • Crusader Kings II
Hi, im italian player of DH, i prefer to play with italy start at '33 Scenario for personalize my country. Im not expert player but i prefer this game because is very complete and every match is always different.
I can play Multiplayer with gameranger or hamachi, and maybe hamachi is better than gameranger.
 

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour
I've always been a sucker for the '39 and '14 scenarios and to keep the historical units and fleets.
Never tried out Hamachi, gameranger seems a little unstable. :/
 

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour

Conquerer1234

Lt. General
37 Badges
Aug 28, 2012
1.518
85
  • Darkest Hour
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Heir to the Throne
  • For The Glory
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Prison Architect
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Arsenal of Democracy
I've always been a sucker for the '39 and '14 scenarios and to keep the historical units and fleets.
Never tried out Hamachi, gameranger seems a little unstable. :/

of course it was a little unstable you remember the last time we played MP?
 

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour
@Conquerer1234 Well I'm not sure if that was an inherit issue with Gameranger, or a hosting connection between the other players.
Have you tried Hamachi, and would you recommend it over Gameranger?
 

Conquerer1234

Lt. General
37 Badges
Aug 28, 2012
1.518
85
  • Darkest Hour
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Heir to the Throne
  • For The Glory
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Prison Architect
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Arsenal of Democracy
@Conquerer1234 Well I'm not sure if that was a inherit issue with Gameranger, or a hosting connection between the other players.
Have you tried Hamachi, and would you recommend it over Gameranger?
Well no? I haven't used it before.
 

Boris Gordonovi

Recruit
33 Badges
May 19, 2011
6
0
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Semper Fi
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Magicka
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • Impire
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • For the Motherland
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Darkest Hour
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Prison Architect
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • War of the Roses
  • Victoria 2
  • Teleglitch: Die More Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
I don't have much coordinated multiplayer experience, but I have played thousands of hours of DH time. I usually prefer '33 for the same reason as above, because I tend to like asking myself questions like: "What if South Africa militarized after the Acts of Dominion and staged an invasion into Brazil?" As such it's not so easy to shoehorn those into the '39 scenario :D.

I usually try to play non-gamey tactics, so no destroyer zergswarm, no subswarm, and no naval bomber swarm, and I usually try to give fair part and parcel to all parts of the military. I also have a weak spot for shunning carriers fleets. It's been my experience that a destroyer+AA screen-heavy SAG can usually compete with a CVBG if they aren't just dominant tech-wise.

As for the technical side of things, the last time I used Hamachi was like almost a decade ago, and I've never used gameranger. However, they're both just simplified VPN solutions. It should be possible, in, theory, to just set up a VPN e.g. to someone's house network. But I don't know if Hamachi/Gameranger have some sort of secret sauce to make their programs better than plain VPN.
 

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour
I usually prefer '33 for the same reason as above, because I tend to like asking myself questions like: "What if South Africa militarized after the Acts of Dominion and staged an invasion into Brazil?" As such it's not so easy to shoehorn those into the '39 scenario :D
I think a lot of people like that scenario because they can start with a clean slate too. build what you need so when '39 comes around you have your fleet, your army, and your production line. It's a bit daunting to look through a 100 Russian named divisions when you start '42 trying to figure out what the hell's going on. :p
I usually try to play non-gamey tactics, so no destroyer zergswarm, no subswarm, and no naval bomber swarm, and I usually try to give fair part and parcel to all parts of the military.
Ay, the bloody subswarm. In the MP games I've played we also had cultural rules. So Japan could not send 20 divisions to go fight for the Entente in North Africa in 1916.
I also have a weak spot for shunning carriers fleets. It's been my experience that a destroyer+AA screen-heavy SAG can usually compete with a CVBG if they aren't just dominant tech-wise.
The '14 scenario can be fun to make those things less complicated. small air force, and the fleets are just battleship action, the bigger the guns and ships, the better.
As for the technical side of things, the last time I used Hamachi was like almost a decade ago, and I've never used gameranger. However, they're both just simplified VPN solutions. It should be possible, in, theory, to just set up a VPN e.g. to someone's house network. But I don't know if Hamachi/Gameranger have some sort of secret sauce to make their programs better than plain VPN.
I think people use Hamachi/Gameranger because it's easy. Not sure how you could set up a DH game through Steam. I mean you could set up a Steam DH game through Gameranger. But it's easier to have the lobby chat there and do last minute rule changes. For me it's whatever, as long as the connection is stabile, and no one has a hard time figuring out how to connect to the game.


I figure the best way to run a game is to do once a week sessions for a game that would last IRL about 6 months (maybe a year if the game got intense and the players were great). That would mean a couple of months in-game every session, the sessions would last IRL a few hours, maybe like 3, 4. Then you would have a forum that's open 24/7 where people could post in a general thread for world diplomacy, rules, banter, session dates, etc. Then 1 locked for the Axis, and 1 locked for the Allies, where maps could be uploaded, and strategy could be devised between the nations.

If you started at '33 the speed would of course be pretty high until war looms.
 

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour
MPpaul.jpg

Late night game night!
 
Last edited:

parnis

Captain
10 Badges
Sep 29, 2012
388
11
  • Darkest Hour
  • 500k Club
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Battle for Bosporus
DH is an excellent game, but I had old hardware and could never connect to a game via Gameranger. I still don't know how now, and I am not sure my copy of DH survived the transfer to the new computer.
 

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour
DH is an excellent game, but I had old hardware and could never connect to a game via Gameranger. I still don't know how now, and I am not sure my copy of DH survived the transfer to the new computer.
Oh? Well I do believe DH is dirt cheap on steam? If you want to get it on a new computer. If you get virtualbox (with an old OS) on your new computer you might be able to transfer your old copy and mods to that?
 

macgregor2150

Captain
On Probation
3 Badges
Aug 24, 2011
479
19
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Darkest Hour
  • 500k Club
I'm curious. I've received a warning that gameranger may not be very stable with 7 or more players in a game. Is there any other way to play multiplayer that would work better with a large group?
 

macgregor2150

Captain
On Probation
3 Badges
Aug 24, 2011
479
19
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Darkest Hour
  • 500k Club
What seems clear to me is that there simply needs to be a better way to meet better players. Especially with a game like this. Chess pales in comparison to the complexity of Darkest Hour and yet even then, not many computers can play it well. AI is way overmatched for this game. So what does that mean? A game that could be one of the most enjoyable multiplayer experiences in all of gaming is now relegated to being a frustrating experience against an AI who's motto is; 'cheat to compete'.

This is the kind of game that requires it's own 'players match', and it's probably not the only game I can think of that needs one. Most are probably Paradox games. I've pitched my proposal to them. Hell, I'll PAY to have it setup.

One can install GameRanger, and if you can find a quality game in less than a week, you're more sociable than I. It's full of people on entirely different schedules, maturity levels, languages, and intentions. Easy enough to find someone 14 years old looking to play 2 people against mostly AI and try to destroy the world in a half an hour. Is that what this game is for? It's either unfair, or at least inadequate, for paradox customers to have to use this method to find a multiplayer game.

Instead of better AI, they need to help us find better HUMANS. The crazy thing is; the real beneficiary of this would be paradox itself. As a multiplayer experience, this game is GOLD! Unfortunately, almost no one is able to have that.
 
Last edited:

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour
Ah, well you've walked into the same wall I have. Which is why this thread exists. To help foster the social aspects of DH multiplayer, and not find a game within 20 minutes.
You can say whatever you want on Gameranger and everyone nods "sure, sure boss". not reading any of the rules, or actually reading what you write.
2 minutes into a game that becomes clearly evident.

I've done Gameranger, Discord, several game forums (including this one), with scheduling calendars. I've played with everyone from potato internet boy using google translate, to logistical experts with a love for military history, and role-playing.
and yeah, I too would pay for the new patch to have a multiplayer interface that actually works.

I'll however cut DH some slack though, the real problem lies within the nature of the game itself. You can set up a great online interface for Dungeons and Dragons. the problem is that DnD needs people who are willing to show up every week, handle logistics, roleplaying, social aspects, etc, these things are hard when you meet in person, and in my experience, near impossible online.
 

macgregor2150

Captain
On Probation
3 Badges
Aug 24, 2011
479
19
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Darkest Hour
  • 500k Club
Not that you suggested I wasn't, but I'll cut all the slack necessary. I'm not trying to work against paradox, but with them. They'll either help me or they won't; but i won't take it personally whatever they do. I do feel that the website will do a great deal to help multiplayer games like DH out.

Simply put, a game of DH with major powers being human controlled can be an infinitely more enjoyable experience than playing the AI. I'm a little sad not only at my own inability to organize such a game, but for the game itself as it would be so much more popular.
 

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour

MacGowan

AAR Author
2 Badges
Sep 10, 2008
527
207
  • Stellaris
  • Darkest Hour