The Grand Campaign 1914-1991

[delanonne]

Rest of Handsoff Game

Hey all I have a bit more of my test game...

Sep 34 France has 143 divs due to war with Jamaica. They should have about 50. Sovs have 130 divs 433 IC and no Stalin

Oct 36 USA down to 230 IC Sovs 405 IC

Jan 37 No Spanish Civil War and none ever. Italy has 5 divs and loses the war in Ethiopia. Ger has 56 inf and 6 Arm divs 138 IC.

Mar 39 Marco Polo fires

17 July 39 Danzig or War Fires. Ger has 61 inf and 6 Arm divs plus 204 subs. France has 142 divs and UK has 66 divs.

Mar 40 UK has 3 CVs Us has 1 CV and Japan has 0 CVs. Sovs have 702 IC and 231 inf plus 31 HQs.

Aug 40 Italy collapses and is occupied by Ger.

Nov 40 France falls.

May 24 1941 Pearl Harbor

Mar 42 Sovs Dow Ger and by Jan 44 Germany is destroyed with Sovs occupying most of Europe including Ger, Italy , Poland, Finland, Romania, CZE, Hung, half of France, part of Belg. and Holland.
Cold War begins.

Jul 44 Sovs dow Japan and kick them out of China and Korea.

1 Jan 45 and NWO2 Kicks in and I end the game. I am glad to hear from Taylor that the Ottomans were in his WW1.

Thants it.

 

[dskod1]

regarding the Declarations of Independence, that is a by product of WW1. Many of the major allies seem to rack up quite a bit of dissent during the war and after the war many oversees places are easily taken and held by rebels. I know just how frustrating this can be. On top of that the allies don't have the forces oversees, particularly on isolated islands, to deal with the problem. I know I saw jamaica rebel once and the allies never could attack them leading to a never ending war.

 

[Sfarog]

Hey, just to let you know, I wanted to do an AAR Let's play for a long time now. I checked back today to download the latest version and I found out there have been a lot of changes. Anything specific I should know before I go at it? I intend to play either as Italy or Ottomans.

 

[Taylor]

regarding the Declarations of Independence, that is a by product of WW1. Many of the major allies seem to rack up quite a bit of dissent during the war and after the war many oversees places are easily taken and held by rebels. I know just how frustrating this can be. On top of that the allies don't have the forces oversees, particularly on isolated islands, to deal with the problem. I know I saw jamaica rebel once and the allies never could attack them leading to a never ending war.

In my game the UK racked up their dissent only during the great depression events. For free market nations there is quite a bit of dissent in those events. This was also the problem for my puppet the OE.

Btw in my game WW2 broke out, Germany gobbled up Poland and France in 1939, then did Sealion in 1940 and conquered Great Britain. I'm basically the only Allied nation left near the Axis. Bulgaria and Romania didn't enter the war (I'm hoping they'll stay out) (it's early 1941) but Yugoslavia joined the Axis so the Germans are on my doorstep. The Italians have a large airforce and an enormous fleet. They nav-bombed the UK's fleet into oblivion, plus in 1939, when I started bombing them, they had 58 capital ships in Taranto.

No SCW btw.

 

[delanonne]

Hey, just to let you know, I wanted to do an AAR Let's play for a long time now. I checked back today to download the latest version and I found out there have been a lot of changes. Anything specific I should know before I go at it? I intend to play either as Italy or Ottomans.

No changes really just fixes so that it is working OK. Both of those would make a good aar but the Ottomans almost never survive WW1 unless they stay out of it. Italy is no problem and one of my favorite countries due to the challenge. Not like playing the Sovs or US.
delanonne

PS I would love to see an aar for this mod.

 

[delanonne]

In my game the UK racked up their dissent only during the great depression events. For free market nations there is quite a bit of dissent in those events. This was also the problem for my puppet the OE.

Btw in my game WW2 broke out, Germany gobbled up Poland and France in 1939, then did Sealion in 1940 and conquered Great Britain. I'm basically the only Allied nation left near the Axis. Bulgaria and Romania didn't enter the war (I'm hoping they'll stay out) (it's early 1941) but Yugoslavia joined the Axis so the Germans are on my doorstep. The Italians have a large airforce and an enormous fleet. They nav-bombed the UK's fleet into oblivion, plus in 1939, when I started bombing them, they had 58 capital ships in Taranto.

No SCW btw.

Hey T that is great news. Germany almost never does a Sealion. Do the Italians have CVs? They do build them sometimes. How many land units do they have? We have had problems with Italy not building one land unit after WW1. Hence the huge air force. The navy sometimes is big though. It looks like they did not do the Naval Limits after WW1. They usually do. Cool.
delanonne

 

[Taylor]

Hey T that is great news. Germany almost never does a Sealion. Do the Italians have CVs? They do build them sometimes. How many land units do they have? We have had problems with Italy not building one land unit after WW1. Hence the huge air force. The navy sometimes is big though. It looks like they did not do the Naval Limits after WW1. They usually do. Cool.
delanonne

I have a feeling maybe I had something to do with the UK's failure. They stationed lots of troops in my country and in Egypt, but then the British isles didn't have many divisions to defend at all. The Italians do not seem to have a large land army (my intelligence screen says 12 divisions (???)) but after Britain's fall, the British divisions in Africa went out of supply so the Italians could do a successful landing and re-conquered Libya and are busy with Egypt now. (GB quickly overran Libya in the beginning of the war) I'm reluctant to check right now how many divisions they have exactly because I'm also playing this game. I'll go back to my saves later to see how many divisions exactly they have. They built a large number of CVs but only old ones I think. They also have large stacks of SHBBs, quite scary . They have a fleet of 8 level 1 str divisions that are not much of a threat now anymore, but they patrol my skies with plenty of modern interceptors which trash mine from time to time. The Germans, meanwhile, are busy bombing inconsequential units of mine with their impressive number of CASs.

Oh, btw, back in 1939 (IIRC), Italy got its Albanian event, where they chose declare war, but then nothing actually happened. Albania is till independent and happily trying to sabotage my production.

It's 1942, and Japan did Pearl Harbor. Only then did they also attack the Allies, earlier they were at peace with them. The US is now in my alliance, but they have far too low IC. First of all, their base IC is only 280, but they also have a "wartime effect" of -50%! Of course, tech gives them bonusses again, but in the end, they only have 228 effective IC.

The Soviets are at 542/471, and I'm very much hoping they'll attack soon.

 

[delanonne]

I have a feeling maybe I had something to do with the UK's failure. They stationed lots of troops in my country and in Egypt, but then the British isles didn't have many divisions to defend at all. The Italians do not seem to have a large land army (my intelligence screen says 12 divisions (???)) but after Britain's fall, the British divisions in Africa went out of supply so the Italians could do a successful landing and re-conquered Libya and are busy with Egypt now. (GB quickly overran Libya in the beginning of the war) I'm reluctant to check right now how many divisions they have exactly because I'm also playing this game. I'll go back to my saves later to see how many divisions exactly they have. They built a large number of CVs but only old ones I think. They also have large stacks of SHBBs, quite scary . They have a fleet of 8 level 1 str divisions that are not much of a threat now anymore, but they patrol my skies with plenty of modern interceptors which trash mine from time to time. The Germans, meanwhile, are busy bombing inconsequential units of mine with their impressive number of CASs.

Oh, btw, back in 1939 (IIRC), Italy got its Albanian event, where they chose declare war, but then nothing actually happened. Albania is till independent and happily trying to sabotage my production.

It's 1942, and Japan did Pearl Harbor. Only then did they also attack the Allies, earlier they were at peace with them. The US is now in my alliance, but they have far too low IC. First of all, their base IC is only 280, but they also have a "wartime effect" of -50%! Of course, tech gives them bonusses again, but in the end, they only have 228 effective IC.

The Soviets are at 542/471, and I'm very much hoping they'll attack soon.

Hey T thanks again for the feedback. We really need it. Italy not buiding land units, the US is too weak and the Sovs are too strong, all issues that we know about and need to fix. Bug fixes are on the top of the list first and then game balance which is not easy to do. The Sov IC at only 471 base is kinda low compared to my game where they hit 1939 with 700 base IC. It all seems to depend on when the Russian Civil War ends. Again thanks.
delanonne

 

[dskod1]

Hey T thanks again for the feedback. We really need it. Italy not buiding land units, the US is too weak and the Sovs are too strong, all issues that we know about and need to fix. Bug fixes are on the top of the list first and then game balance which is not easy to do. The Sov IC at only 471 base is kinda low compared to my game where they hit 1939 with 700 base IC. It all seems to depend on when the Russian Civil War ends. Again thanks.
delanonne

That IC is insane and seems like a bug in the industry force limits. I will look into that when next I get the time.

 

[delanonne]

More Playtest Feedback

That IC is insane and seems like a bug in the industry force limits. I will look into that when next I get the time.

Hey d I have more feedback on this issue and a few others which I will also put in the fix thread.

I just finshed one of the best games I ever had. I took over Italy in 1919 from the last game and went on to do my own thing. I took out Greece and puppetted them, puppet Ethiopia and annexed Yugo with my allies help. Not very important to this point except Yugo seemed to not mobilize too or its base mp is not enough to fill out the whole army. That was in Oct 36.

Dec 38 as already reported. The event to Dow or Annex Albania is bugged due to the mil access Italy has plus the good relations. I tried for several years to dow them but could not. Definite bug.

WW2 went pretty historical except Ger did not ever dow the Sovs. They dowed Ger in Spring 42 and the odds were very close. So the war went almost exactly like the real war.

Oct 44 Italy gets an event forcing it to go democratic and join the allies. Maybe it needs a trigger. I sat WW2 out until forced by that event. The allies did a D-Day invasion successfully. So the allies and Sovs were pushing Ger back when I just went with it and drove right up the middle to Berlin which kept the Sovs from taking most of western Europe. The war in Europe ended in Jan 45.

The big thing though is that when the war started the Sovs only had a little over 230 IC or so and an army of about 230 divs total. Ther Ger had more than the Sovs so I think that eeeex fix for the Russian Civil War may fix the balance prob with the Sovs.

That is it.
delanonne

 

[Taylor]

I just noticed something utterly bizarre. Tibet (who are national socialist) have 269/238 IC! I think I may have to make some plans to DoW them, so that an ally can conquer them and get a bunch of IC on our side that way.

Btw it's summer 1944 and the Soviets still haven't attacked. I'm starting to fear a future bomb...

 

[delanonne]

I just noticed something utterly bizarre. Tibet (who are national socialist) have 269/238 IC! I think I may have to make some plans to DoW them, so that an ally can conquer them and get a bunch of IC on our side that way.

Btw it's summer 1944 and the Soviets still haven't attacked. I'm starting to fear a future bomb...

Hey T thanks, I forgot about the Tibet Monster. Several people have mentioned it before. I have no idea how that is possible. Hopefully d or smoggy can come up with something. Since they have little mp they do not usually affect the game but it is crazy. See that is why we need feedback from others. Every game is different so it is not always possible to see all of the problems in one or two games. I got no OE in the war and you did.

So anyone else with feedback please feel free to help out. It only takes a post.
delanonne

 

[Taylor]

I'm starting to feel that perhaps IC production should not be possible at all. It may work in the vanilla 1936 setup because it's only a short period of time until the war, but for longer periods of time it just becomes impossible to balance. Plus I'm not so sure if it is actually realistic to be "producing" extra industry. In most countries economies just grow by themselves. Perhaps handle economic growth by events and decisions? That way it would hopefully be easier to control and balance. Just an idea.

 

[Ticket Cookie]

Hi,

A fix to the revolt problems in France and UK's colonies could be to write two events which would lower the revolt risk in each of these provinces [at the least the americans and most if not all of the islands ones], and which would fire at the start of the campaign or at the Versailles treaty, or specify that low revolt risk directly in the scenarios\1914\vp.txt file.

Honestly that could be a tad tedious, especially if you didn't already did such modding before, but should completly fix the issue.
And I gave it a thought but didn't find any better solutions

If the idea interest you I will test it!

Howewer, I don't even have the mod and sadly don't have the time to fully implement either fixes myself, but can explain more how to do that if it works and you want.

Keep the good work, you seem to be on the way for completly debugging the mod!

 

[dskod1]

Hi,

A fix to the revolt problems in France and UK's colonies could be to write two events which would lower the revolt risk in each of these provinces [at the least the americans and most if not all of the islands ones], and which would fire at the start of the campaign or at the Versailles treaty, or specify that low revolt risk directly in the scenarios\1914\vp.txt file.

Honestly that could be a tad tedious, especially if you didn't already did such modding before, but should completly fix the issue.
And I gave it a thought but didn't find any better solutions

If the idea interest you I will test it!

Howewer, I don't even have the mod and sadly don't have the time to fully implement either fixes myself, but can explain more how to do that if it works and you want.

Keep the good work, you seem to be on the way for completly debugging the mod!

Yes I thought of that myself and will most likely have it implemented by the next fixes. Thanks for the suggestion, in the future feel free to make suggestions in the actual Grand campaign Fixes thread

 

[delanonne]

Version .31 Playtest Feedback

OK this game was more than a little bit weird. Playing as Qatar.

1914 Aug Swiss join CP and invade France. Ottoman Empire does join this time but US does not because...

6 Nov 1916 Germany forces French Surrender. The UK does a white peace and war is over. Ger grabs Nancy , puppets Belg. and takes Belg. Congo.

Entente is at war with Madagascar and revolters in Africa as is Ger and CP. I was gonna restart but I decided to see how the RCW goes for the new fix Which did not work.

26 June 1922 UK, France and Entente dow Ger and WW1 and 1/2 starts minus Japan and Serbia.

8 Jne 1923 US joins Entente and again does not mobilize so no mp and no land units, they do have 150 planes though. All of Metro France is gone except for Verdun the Capitol and one prov next to Italy which is fast going down the toilet.

25 Nov 1924 Italy is knocked out of war and Entente. Ger takes Italian parts of Libys on coast.

Jan 1927 the RCW event does not kick in and Ufa is still alive. The war seems to be going nowhere fast except in the Ottoman Empire which is invaded by UK from occupied part of Persia. Save game and come here. That is all I noticed so far. No gian Tibet IC yet and Italy is not building inf post war. I am gonna start a new game. Still have this one saved.

 

[OneAussieMan777]

OK this game was more than a little bit weird. Playing as Qatar.

1914 Aug Swiss join CP and invade France. Ottoman Empire does join this time but US does not because...

6 Nov 1916 Germany forces French Surrender. The UK does a white peace and war is over. Ger grabs Nancy , puppets Belg. and takes Belg. Congo.

Entente is at war with Madagascar and revolters in Africa as is Ger and CP. I was gonna restart but I decided to see how the RCW goes for the new fix Which did not work.

26 June 1922 UK, France and Entente dow Ger and WW1 and 1/2 starts minus Japan and Serbia.

8 Jne 1923 US joins Entente and again does not mobilize so no mp and no land units, they do have 150 planes though. All of Metro France is gone except for Verdun the Capitol and one prov next to Italy which is fast going down the toilet.

25 Nov 1924 Italy is knocked out of war and Entente. Ger takes Italian parts of Libys on coast.

Jan 1927 the RCW event does not kick in and Ufa is still alive. The war seems to be going nowhere fast except in the Ottoman Empire which is invaded by UK from occupied part of Persia. Save game and come here. That is all I noticed so far. No gian Tibet IC yet and Italy is not building inf post war. I am gonna start a new game. Still have this one saved.

Sounds like an awesome game! Play it through lol

 

[delanonne]

Second .31 game

Sounds like an awesome game! Play it through lol

Yes I am planning to. The next game went weird too. CP lost but Russia survived under Kerenski. That rarely happens so no chance to see if the RCW fix worked. Germany was taken out by the usual Failure of the Summer Offensive in Nov. 1918. I have seen Russia survive under the Czar but not Kerenski. So I will have to start a new one later. It is great that the game can give you so many outcomes. No Swiss in the war this time. I have never seen that.

 

[Taylor]

ok I checked Italy's army over time, and here are the results from my Greek game:
Land/Ship (only capitals count)/Air:
25-02-20: 25/16/2
08-08-21: 12/16/1
20-05-23: 12/5/3
28-10-27: 12/5/12
28-08-30: 12/5/22
13-01-31: 12/5/26
11-05-32: 12/5/45
09-09-33: 12/5/57
25-02-35: 12/5/61
18-02-36: 8/6/61
04-06-36: 9/7/61
02-11-39: 16/27/63
07-09-40: 11/21/63
08-02-42: 22/11/66
08-04-43: 19/10/67
25-06-44: 17/11/67
08-09-44: 17/11/67
14-01-46: 19/19/67
06-04-47: 20 (5 mtn+10 gar+ 5 hq :wacko: ) /26/67
01-01-48: 21 (one more mtn)/23/67
With such a weirdly small army they still managed to recapture Libya from the UK, annex Liberia (they lost it later to rebels) and do numerous amphibious assaults on my provinces.

Another important thing I noticed in my game is that Naval bombers completely and utterly rule. the UK and even the US have no fleet to speak of (correction, in my latest save they do have some capitals again). The only reason Italy still has a fleet is because their interceptors regularly trash my naval bombers.

Also, Germany has 85 divisions in French Guyana but for some reason aren't invading Brazil (who is in the Allies). The Soviets never attacked Germany, much to my despair.

In 1945 and 1947, the UK got events called "Restructurization of the army" where they chose "Limit army size", which caused them to lose a large number of divisions, even though the war is still going on.

North Africa went: UK captures all of Libya - GB occupied by Ger, UK can't supply African troops - Italy invades and recaptures Libya, drives east and eventually captures all of Egypt except Sinai - UK somehow manages to get supplies and reinvades Egypt from Sudan and Sinai, Abyssinia (who have been at war with Italy for a loooong time) joins in too - UK drives Italy out of Egypt and marches East into Libya, seemingly unstoppable - UK gets renewed supply problems and Italy slowly recovers - UK loses a bunch of divisions to event; Italy invades Egypt again even if part of Libya is still under UK control.

Some other odd things: Japan annexed Qatar and Kuwait until I drove them out again, they also captured Malta, which later revolted and became independent. The US tried to invade occupied GB, but couldn't figure out that they should land their troops on an undefended beach instead of well-defended Dover. There are no air bases in Ireland so the Luftwaffe has total supremacy there. Places like Germany, Austria, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria have a huge airbase in almost every province. France control Battambang, in the middle of Siam.

I think I'm gonna stop my game now. There doesn't seem to be an end to it. My plan to attack Tibet worked out beautifully except for one big problem. Nationalist China got the provinces and a bunch of base IC (according to plan), but they are a puppet of the UK and hence can't make their own trade deals and therefore the huge IC gets wasted due to lack of resources (NOT according to plan!).

 

[dskod1]

ok I checked Italy's army over time, and here are the results from my Greek game:
Land/Ship (only capitals count)/Air:
25-02-20: 25/16/2
08-08-21: 12/16/1
20-05-23: 12/5/3
28-10-27: 12/5/12
28-08-30: 12/5/22
13-01-31: 12/5/26
11-05-32: 12/5/45
09-09-33: 12/5/57
25-02-35: 12/5/61
18-02-36: 8/6/61
04-06-36: 9/7/61
02-11-39: 16/27/63
07-09-40: 11/21/63
08-02-42: 22/11/66
08-04-43: 19/10/67
25-06-44: 17/11/67
08-09-44: 17/11/67
14-01-46: 19/19/67
06-04-47: 20 (5 mtn+10 gar+ 5 hq :wacko: ) /26/67
01-01-48: 21 (one more mtn)/23/67
With such a weirdly small army they still managed to recapture Libya from the UK, annex Liberia (they lost it later to rebels) and do numerous amphibious assaults on my provinces.

Another important thing I noticed in my game is that Naval bombers completely and utterly rule. the UK and even the US have no fleet to speak of (correction, in my latest save they do have some capitals again). The only reason Italy still has a fleet is because their interceptors regularly trash my naval bombers.

Also, Germany has 85 divisions in French Guyana but for some reason aren't invading Brazil (who is in the Allies). The Soviets never attacked Germany, much to my despair.

In 1945 and 1947, the UK got events called "Restructurization of the army" where they chose "Limit army size", which caused them to lose a large number of divisions, even though the war is still going on.

North Africa went: UK captures all of Libya - GB occupied by Ger, UK can't supply African troops - Italy invades and recaptures Libya, drives east and eventually captures all of Egypt except Sinai - UK somehow manages to get supplies and reinvades Egypt from Sudan and Sinai, Abyssinia (who have been at war with Italy for a loooong time) joins in too - UK drives Italy out of Egypt and marches East into Libya, seemingly unstoppable - UK gets renewed supply problems and Italy slowly recovers - UK loses a bunch of divisions to event; Italy invades Egypt again even if part of Libya is still under UK control.

Some other odd things: Japan annexed Qatar and Kuwait until I drove them out again, they also captured Malta, which later revolted and became independent. The US tried to invade occupied GB, but couldn't figure out that they should land their troops on an undefended beach instead of well-defended Dover. There are no air bases in Ireland so the Luftwaffe has total supremacy there. Places like Germany, Austria, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria have a huge airbase in almost every province. France control Battambang, in the middle of Siam.

I think I'm gonna stop my game now. There doesn't seem to be an end to it. My plan to attack Tibet worked out beautifully except for one big problem. Nationalist China got the provinces and a bunch of base IC (according to plan), but they are a puppet of the UK and hence can't make their own trade deals and therefore the huge IC gets wasted due to lack of resources (NOT according to plan!).

Taylor is this just with the AAR reboot or with the Grand Campaign Fixes? If it is the Grand Campaign fixes can you put results in the relevant thread. If not than we need testers for our fixes.