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BGW said:
tech 5000(! yes 5000 not 1000 now in order to better ballance) bonus
LT -SWE
NT - HUN
TT -HUN
IT - HUN

major bonuses
BRA HUN
two dp sliders bonuses
+500d
3 fortress upgraded to 2fort
+1 in all techs ans stability
+3 core
BGW, someone requested last week that you explain the logic behind these uber-edits being done each week. Though I recognize that for the shake of the challenge of this game we may need to boost the weakest countries, the edits being done (and not proposed) here are once again huge.

If Sweden got up to 28% inflation why is it not edited ? Were BRA and HUN in an even worse shape ?

By the way, I'm getting upset because I've been explaining for 2 weeks the injustice ENG had to suffer versus Castile, players agreed ENG should get a compensation, and nothing is done. So either A) you dont read the forum or B) you dont care about that. The later would make me remind you have to follow up what the majority requests.
 

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Dear Umbre, my compensations aremaking in order to move outsiders much more closer to leaders each weak i took 2 most weakest countries and add bonuses for them
sweden well thanks for notice have not seen that inflation but sweeden is abit powerful than bra or hun
about your war well it will be really nice to give compensation winners....
 

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BGW said:
Dear Umbre, my compensations aremaking in order to move outsiders much more closer to leaders each weak i took 2 most weakest countries and add bonuses for them
This principe is ok, what was in question was the size of the bonuses.
BGW said:
about your war well it will be really nice to give compensation winners....
The guy was minting like mad, forced me to a 20+ years war, refused generous peace offers. To win I had to mint myself and take loans. He left because he lost this war, should he have stayed you would have edited him. Now that he's gone, you state against the majority that I shouldnt get a compensation. This is INJUSTICE.
 

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Player in Spain seeing a strange central Europe offers:
- 2 provs to France for Bearn to us;
- 1 prov to Austria for Canarias to us.
Waiting for answers about it.

Elio do you accept to give me Corsica for Bearn?

Found a bug in the game on Corsica 100 000 inhabit, changed to 10 000
 
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That guy doesn't seems reatcheble. It looks like he has used most of the time on 100% minting. he has upgraded several colonies to cities with fortification which I don't like because now I have to send missionaries there. There is no army in Sweden even though it is rebels there. I left Sweden with +3 stab and now it is -2.

I have some questions to you guys.

How did he get Memel?

Was he in war exept for the one he got Memel and the one starting one with Scotland (In which I had plans to get a province)?

Anything else I should know?
 

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Snake IV said:
That guy doesn't seems reatcheble. It looks like he has used most of the time on 100% minting. he has upgraded several colonies to cities with fortification which I don't like because now I have to send missionaries there. There is no army in Sweden even though it is rebels there. I left Sweden with +3 stab and now it is -2.

I have some questions to you guys.

How did he get Memel?

Was he in war exept for the one he got Memel and the one starting one with Scotland (In which I had plans to get a province)?

Anything else I should know?

sweden changed
+ 3 stab
- 16 % inflation
removed Venice 5 loan
new core to brandenburg
Holland created
sweden - 2000 ducats

My save where to big for my website!
 
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I think some of the edits are going pretty far.
The triggering of the events regarding Austria, Spain and the Netherlands is not necessary IMO. Austria won its war vs. France because:
a. It had a CRT advantage. France should be able to catch up pretty soon. It has LT 6 and after getting LT7 LT9 is not far away.
b. Austria had one of its best leaders (Frundsberg). And the one that is the best of his era (ok , El Gran Capitan is pretty good too). Anyway, Frundsberg is dead.
Of course it would have been necessary to at least consult the perm of Austria about this. He's losing quite some provs a little early.

Apart from the early triggering, Austria has the choice in the game to keep certain areas. It would be polite to still give Austria this choice when triggerring it.

And the size of NL is pretty absurd. A NL that gets all Dutch-cultured provinces is a very lucky, let alone a NL that gets this many provs.
And again, doing this without even asking the Austria perm is not nice.

On the bonusses.
I think +1 in all techs is pretty much. +1 LT and +1 NT isn't exceptional, but getting trade 3 and infra 4 for free is a lot. These two are among the most expensive techt around. Only techs that are more expensive are infra and trade 6 and higher.

Apart from that I don't agree with the idea behind it. This game (and this scenario) is a historical scenario. Not all countries are supposed to be as strong as the strongest. It's needed to correct the real bad performances, because some inexperienced players more or less wrecked their countries. But if you play Brandenburg (gets edited every session) you should expect to be a minor player for a long time. Brandenburg is not France.It has less income and less MP. It just means it's a different challenge and I think most players will set their goals lower when playing Brandenburg than when playing France.

When looking at Brandenburg I don't think it should get this edits. Martmol started with a bad session, but the last sessions he was doing ok. I think some players played a lot worse last session. And I don't think Sweden has a chance to beat Brandenburg when played by equal players.

And at the request from Umbre. Sure he won. That's why I thought he asked too much. But the war cost him too much. Simon continued for too long, thereby hurting England. So England should get some compensation (not a reward, a compensation) for the damage.

EDITED: Took some time to make this post, missed Krantz's save
 

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Krantz said:
sweden changed
+ 3 stab
- 16 % inflation
removed Venice 5 loan
new core to brandenburg
Holland created

Changed Save By Krantz
Take a look on this!
Looks good. However is it too much to demand to remove the forts in Finnmark and Narvik and place the money spent on those on tech instead?
 

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Krantz said:
sweden changed
+ 3 stab
- 16 % inflation
removed Venice 5 loan
new core to brandenburg
Holland created
sweden - 2000 ducats

My save where to big for my website!
Of course this is right but currenly it makes my income during all those years disapere. They have to go to tech.
 

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I'm very sorry about my absence for the last three weeks. Next Friday, I will surely make it. Thanks for the subs for doing a great job.
With regards to the edits:
-I'm not so sure why the Netherlands was released earlier. At least, give me Koln and Luxemburg which both have German culture.
-I agree that England should have been compensated.
-Sweden getting 2000 ducats is too much I think considering that it already recieved -16% inflation.

Elio said:
- 1 prov to Austria for Canarias to us.
No sorry considering that it has german culture and is in a very strategic position.

Seems we already lost Poland. Was it Aied last session?
 

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Krantz said:
Umbre what do you want in reward for early war?

According to what Mioz said a compensation of 300g seems fair. But 300g in 1472 isn't the same as 300g in 1525. So may I ask 350g ? If everyone agrees, we could go with that.

If we get to do any future edits, I suggest we use the 7 days we have between games to debate them. And please remember that countries aren't supposed to be of equal strengh, so there shall not necessarily be an edit each week.

To continue the debate, i'll give my opinion on various points :

- HOL is way too big. It's already an advantage to start before the historical date, so dont push it too far. A 5 provinces-wide HOL would fit for Gregorz.

- SWE 2000g can be converted to research if he cancels his two colonies (and not only forts)

- Austria is the big loser in that event you fired off earlier. He should get at least two more territories.

-- Cancel the +1 tech bonuses, they make no sense, especially for HUN
 

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Umbre said:
- HOL is way too big. It's already an advantage to start before the historical date, so dont push it too far. A 5 provinces-wide HOL would fit for Gregorz.
Agree
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- SWE 2000g can be converted to research if he cancels his two colonies (and not only forts)
Cancel means that the cities should once again be colonies? Yes, if the at least some of the money spent on them goes to tech also. Put Iceland on the list too.
Umbre said:
- Austria is the big loser in that event you fired off earlier. He should get at least two more territories.
Seems fair.
Umbre said:
-- Cancel the +1 tech bonuses, they make no sense, especially for HUN
No opinoin.
 

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Umbre said:
According to what Mioz said a compensation of 300g seems fair. But 300g in 1472 isn't the same as 300g in 1525. So may I ask 350g ? If everyone agrees, we could go with that.

My answer is: OK.

If we get to do any future edits, I suggest we use the 7 days we have between games to debate them. And please remember that countries aren't supposed to be of equal strengh, so there shall not necessarily be an edit each week.

My answer is: Well if we dont make edits for the weaker nations there will be less fun and excitement in this game as you know the stronger always remains that and the weaker ones has a boring time.

To continue the debate, i'll give my opinion on various points :

- HOL is way too big. It's already an advantage to start before the historical date, so dont push it too far. A 5 provinces-wide HOL would fit for Gregorz.

My answer is: No its not an advantage to start before the historical date nor is it an disadvantage.

- SWE 2000g can be converted to research if he cancels his two colonies (and not only forts)

My answer is:
Its already been told that 2000d is being TAKEN AWAY from sweden NOT given.

- Austria is the big loser in that event you fired off earlier. He should get at least two more territories.

My answer is: No opinion.

-- Cancel the +1 tech bonuses, they make no sense, especially for HUN

My answer is:
Why ESPECIALLY for Hungary? And why cancelling them? If we dont give those bonuses to the underteched nations they will have NO CHANCE at all to match the other nations and its believed they are so low in tech because of lagging which causes many serious bugs.
 
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