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I. From Yngvi king of Turkey to Sverrir king of Norway

Yngvi Turk-King begat
Njǫrðr Swede-King, who begat
Freyr, who was King at Gamla Uppsala and by whom descended the following kings there:
Fjǫlnir Vatswimmer, his son, his son
Svegðir Dwarfchaser, his son
Vanlandi the Hag-ridden, his son
Vísburr the Exceedingly Crispy, his son
Dómaldr the Cursed, his son
Dómarr the Blessed, his son
Dyggvi the Hell-wed, his son
Dagr the Wise, his son
Alrekr Kinslayer, his son
Agni Skiálf-bound, his son
Yngvi the Kinslain, his son
Jǫrundr the Daneslayer, his son
Aun the Old, his son
Egill Vendilcrow, his son
Óttarr the Brave, his son
Aðísl Álifoe, his son
Arson-Eysteinn, his son
Ingvarr the Hoary, and his son
Land-clearing-Ǫnundr, whose son
Ingialdr Illruler lost Sweden, so that his son
Óláfr the Lumberjack was instead lord in Varmland.
Hálfdan Whiteshanks, his son, was lord of Raumaríki.
Eysteinn Hálfdansson, his son
Hálfdan the Mild, and his son
Guðrǫðr the Hunter were also lords of the Vestfold, and his son
Hálfdan the Black added Agder.
Haraldr Fairhair, his son, was the first king of Norway. His son
Sigurðr a-Bush and his son
Hálfdan of Hadafylke were lords of Hadafylke, and his son
Sigurðr the Sow was lord of Raumaríki.
Haraldr Harshruler, his son, was again king of Norway, as were his son
Óláfr the Silent, his son
Magnús Barefoot, his son by a woman of Ireland
Haraldr Christservant, his son
Sigurðr the Mouth, and his son by a woman of the Faroes
Sverrir Sigurðarson.
 
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II. From Petr Sverrir's Brother to Þorbiǫrn the Færeying

Now, Sverrir Sigurðarson had a brother who was called Petr the Downer, who left the Faroes first to fight for his brother against the Crosier party and then to seek his fortune in Jerusalem on crusade with the messenger Reider. This Reider was married to Margrét, who was the daughter of King Magnús Erlingsson, the same king who had been deposed and drowned by Petr's brother. Now, it is recorded in the sagas that Reider and his wife reached Jerusalem and then joined the service of the Emperor at Miklagarðr (Constantinople) and that Petr and his wife died upon the journey.

What was not known for many years was that they had in fact been attacked and left for dead in the Orkneys. After many years there and under other names, they returned to the Faroes and raised their son Bálki on a new farm near the former town of Hvalvík on the Southern Island. In time, Bálki begat Vikingr, and Vikingr begat Ballsi. Fargrimmr Ballsason was the father of Þorbiǫrn the Færeying, who became Folkir of the Faroes after about 1335.

(This line is fictitious after Petr, but then as far as I can tell,
the Faroes should actually be controlled by Bergen or in the Swedish royal demesne in 1337,
as all administrative powers had been relieved from the local
thing after the Sheep Letter.
Another option would be to simply have it owned by its bishop,
who (after Erlendr) held about 40% of the islands' land in his estates.)
 
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III. The Þorbiǫrnlings

Þorbiǫrn Færeying (c. 1300-1370), Folkir of the Faroes after about 1335; m. (c. 1340) Matilda, dau. of Duke Malise Strathearn of the Orneys
[by wife]:
1.Rannveig Þorbiǫrndóttir, d. 1357 of pneumonia
2.Ingi the Crooked (1345-1426), Duke of the Orkneys inherited 1346, Folkir of the Faroes inherited 1370, elected King of Scotland 1387, proclaimed King of Ireland 1390, proclaimed King of Italy 1403-1413; m.1st 1361 Kristina, dau. of King Magnus Eriksson of Sweden; m.2nd 1363 Hǫmlaug, dau. of Snorri Ketilsson; m.3rd 1374 Margarete, dau. of Duke Nikolaus von Rendsburg of Holstein and Adelheid von Habsburg; m.4th 1424 Eustachie, dau. of Count Robert de Corbeil
2.[by 2nd m.]:
2.1.Saint Áslákr (1365-1433), granted Duke of Scotland, Ireland, and the Orkneys c. 1390, elected King of Scotland and Ireland 1426, inherited King of Italy 1429, proclaimed King of Wales 1430, crowned Emperor 1431; m.1st 1382 Sunnifa, dau. of Þróndr Sveinsson; m.2nd 1399 Gundega, dau. of King Imanta of Denmark; m.3rd 1405 Dardendze, dau. of King Imanta of Denmark; m.4th 1427 Péronelle the Nun, dau. of Emperor St. Guigues de Bar
2.1.[by 1st m.]:
2.1.1.Árni Ásláksson, d. 1390 of plague
2.1.2.Hákon Battleshirker (1387-1438), created Count of Tir Connaill, Duke of Ireland 1426; m. 1403 Ragnhildr
2.1.2.1.Magnús the Exceedingly Rich, b. 1404, granted Count of Lancaster, Duke of Scotland 1426, elected King of Scotland, Ireland, and Wales 1433, inherited King of Portugal 1438, Duke of Norfolk and Niðaróss; m. 1420 Margrét, dau. Magnús Magnússon av Island
2.1.2.2.Giolla Pádraig mac Hogan, b. 1405; m.1st Eva, dau. of Gartnait Vatatzes; m.2nd BenMide, dau. of Congalach ó Neill
2.1.2.[by 1st m.]:
2.1.2.2.1.Scáthach Goldtongue, b. 1423; m. Henry Hastings, Constable of Scotland
2.1.2.2.2.Seonaid Coalbrow, b. 1425; m. 1442 Duke Albrecht de Dampierre of Flanders
2.1.2.2.3.Suibne mac Giolla Pádraig, b. 1431, bestowed King of Portugal 1438; m. 1447 Sophia, dau. of Ioan d'Anjou
2.1.2.2.3.1.Máel-Dúin mac Suibne, b. 1448, inherited Duke of Leinster
2.1.2.2.3.2.Máelcoluim mac Suibne, b. 1449
2.1.2.2.3.3.Eithne, b. 1450
2.1.2.2.4.Catríona, b. 1431, m. Eileifr, son of St. Þórgeirr Guðleiksson
2.1.2.3.Egill Strawhair, b. 1407, granted Duke of Munster, m. 1423 Cecilia, dau. of Magnús Óláfsson Bååt
2.1.2.3.1.Giertrud Egilsdóttir (1424-1446); m. 1440 Count Haraldr Skoftason of Beirut
2.1.2.3.2.Gyða Egilsdóttir, b. 1428; m. 1444 Count Tryggvi of Mayo
2.1.2.3.3.Ragna the Wise, b. 1440
2.1.2.4.Þorbiǫrg Hákonardóttir, b. 1408; m. 1426 Haraldr, son of Duke Þorbiǫrn Haraldsson Skancke of Bjǫrgvin, Vík, and Jamtaland
2.1.3.Guðmundr the Unfortunate, d. 1391 of plague
2.1.4.Óláfr Shoat (1390-1438); m.1st Áleta, dau. of Duke Árni of Småland; m.2nd 1437 Ingibiǫrg, dau. of Count Tryggvi Giske of Þróndelag; died without issue
2.1.5.Áslákr the Unjust, b. 1394, granted Count of Tir Eoghain, Duke of Ulster, Meath, the Isles, Galloway, and Northumbria; m. 1410 Ragnhildr, dau. of Óláfr of Shetland
2.1.5.1.Mouse-Ingigerðr, b. 1412; m. Finnr of the Faroes
2.1.5.2.Þórgeirr the Bishop, b. 1413, granted Bishop of Raphoe; m. 1429 Åsta
2.1.5.2.1.Ástríðr the Bishop's Daughter, b. 1439
2.1.[by 3rd m.]:
2.1.6.Áli Abu el-Banat (1407-1427), granted Count of Sutherland and Ross; m. Gyða Ísmailsdóttir
2.1.6.1.Áshildr Sownose, b. 1424; m.1st Renaud von Vinstingen; m.2nd Eysteinn Úlfason Bari
2.1.6.2.Guðrún Áladóttir, b. 1425; m. Kári, son of Count Conlae mac Cináed uí Ruairc of Sligo
2.1.6.3.Máría Áladóttir, b. 1426; m. Karl Giske
2.1.7.Ástráðr Ásláksdóttir (1409-1440); m. Rupprecht, son of Emperor St. Guigues of Bar
2.1.[by 4th m.]:
2.1.8.Þórgeirr the Grovelling, b. 1428, created King of Outremer; m. Eðla, dau. of Baggi Bielke
2.1.8.1.Ingi Þórgeirsson, b. 1445
2.1.9.Hálfdan Slimleg, b. 1431, granted Duke of Antioch; m. Ragnhildr, dau. of Ormr Eysteinsson
2.1.9.1.Loðinn Hálfdanarson, b. 1448
2.1.9.2.Kári Hálfdanarson, b. 1449
2.1.9.3.Jórunnr Hálfdanardóttir, b. 1450
2.1.[illegit., by Bethoc nic Donaill, countess of Strathclyde]:
2.1.10.Sveinn Ásláksson, d. in infancy
2.2.Óláfr Thinbeard (1367-1429), granted Duke of Ferrara 1395, Duke of Tuscany 1399, King of Italy 1413; m.1st 1384 Ingeborg the Mad, dau. of King Otto of Denmark; m.2nd 1428 Sigrid, dau. of Ragnvaldr Smǫr
2.[by 4th m.]:
2.3.Rannveig the Literate, m.1st 1441 Bengt till Ulvasa; m.2nd 1445 Count Gunnarr of Messina and Malta
2.[illegit., by Sunnifa, his son's wife]:
2.4.Magnús Ingason, d. in infancy
3.Snǫfríðr of England, d. 1390; m. 1366 Eustache Plantagenet, later King of England
[illegit., by Sigríðr the Stewardess:]
4.Crow-Ásmundr, d. 1365 of pneumonia; m. 1364 Beata, dau. of King Magnus Eriksson of Sweden
5.Úlfr Sterncouncil, d. 1387 of suicide; m. Isabel, dau. of Count Raimundo of Castelo Blanco
 

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IV. The Sveinlings

Þorbiǫrn was the youngest of four brothers: the eldest, Arnviðr, was his marshal for many years and was married to Margaret the Nun who was the daughter of Robert, son of Robert the Bruce, who was in his age king of the Scots. All of their children died in their infancies. The second brother was Sveinn, who was bishop of the Faroes for many years until, in his ministries, he succumbed to the plague which came upon the world in that time. From him descended:

Sveinn Færeying (1296-1386), bishop of the Faroes c.1330-1344, d. of plague; m.1st 1343 Margaret, dau. of Count Thomas of Norfolk, later King of Portugal; m.2nd 1364 Margarita the Nun, dau. of King St. Alfonso d'Aragó of Trinacria; m.3rd 1369 Þóra, dau. of King St. Valdemar of Denmark
[by 1st wife]:
1.Þróndr the Sharpsighted (1344-1384), granted Count of Silves, inherited King of Portugal 1370, d. of plague; m.1st 1362 Jimena, dau. of King Pedro de Castilla of Castilla and Léon; m.2nd Inga
1.[by 1st wife]:
1.1.Sunnifa of Spain (1366-1399), m. 1382 Duke St. Áslákr of Scotland and Ireland, later Emperor
1.2.Margrét Þróndsdóttir, d. of illness
2.Cecilia Lust-hostage (1345-1392); m.1st 1361 King Otto of Denmark; m.2nd 1386 Robert Plantagenet, later King of England
3.Hákon Sveinsson, d. of pneumonia
[by 3rd wife]:
4.Hallþórr the Cat (1371-1436), inherited King of Portugal 1384; m. 1387 Frederikke, dau. of King Otto of Denmark
4.1.Ingiriðr Hallþórsdóttir, d. of plague
4.2.Oluf the Sickly (1389-1408); m. 1405 Hallþóra, dau. of Guðmundr Egilsson Brusastad
4.2.1.Brigida Olufsdottir, b. 1404; m. 1420 Baggi, son of Sigbiǫrn Gautstafsson Bielke
 

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V. Ásbrandr

The final brother, *Ásbrandr, lived in obscurity on the family farm at Hvalvík, but was the father of a number of families which later rose to prominence following Sveinn and Þorbiǫrn's success.

(An asterisk (*) before a name indicates a character not present in the original game,
who has been created to connect various courtiers and country cousins.
One benefit of playing as the Faroes - if you can keep your court on the island -
is that there is only one dynasty in the province, so that every courtier is related.

In his excellent AAR, Veld went with creating dynasties
based on the various islands: I don't think that's quite right -
it'd be better to use the historical families (
Gǫtuskegg, Ǫssursson, Brestisson)
and settlements (
í Bǫur, í Kirkjubǫur, í Hvalvík, í Vestmannahavn, í Sunnbǫur).
(Worth keeping in mind is that Torshavn wasn't settled until the 15th c.:
it was purposefully chosen for the
thing as a central, uninhabited, neutral ground.

Then again, the current set-up is probably the Faroes'
only advantage.)
 

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VI. Slay-Ástríðr and the Guðleikings

The twins Guðleik and Ástríðr were born to Ásbrandr in 1316, the one bright as the sun, the other dark as the Fenrir moon. When she came of age, Slay-Ástríðr was wed to the agèd William Mortimer, whose son was lord of Lincoln in England. Into this household came the young children of the Count of Norfolk, who was to become king in Portugal to the west of Spain. These unlucky children did not survive so long as a winter following their sister Margaret's marriage to Ástríðr's uncle, the bishop Sveinn.

Now, while there was nothing but her family's bald advantage which tied Ástríðr to this misfortune or ─ as some said even then ─ crime, in later years there was no question that her council guided her cousin's hand as he had slain the infante of Spain. For this reason, he ceased to be called Ingi the Wise and was ever afterwards known as Ingi the Crooked.

But while Ingi in his age repented his lusts and took himself to the cross and was rewarded with long life and honor, all the vast wealth of the East, and ─ what was more than these ─ absolution from Our Lord, and while his son the holy Áslákr won for himself the crown not only of his kingdom but of Empire and life everlasting, foul Slay-Ástríðr went to her death unrepentant, barren body and soul, and doomed.

These were the generations of her twin, Guðleikr the Chaste:

Guðleikr the Chaste (1316-1370), Bishop of the Faroes 1341-1343, Duke of Uppland after 1369; m.1st Helena, dau. Israel Birgersson Brahe; m.2nd Sybilla the Witch, dau. of John Darcy; m.3rd Bethoc, dau. of Count St. Conchobar ó Domnaill of Tir Connaill
[by 1st m.]:
1.Guðrún Guðleiksdóttir (1343-1368); m. Count St. Henry de Ufford of Suffolk
2.Snǫfríðr Openhand (1344-1370), d. of plague; m. Knut, son of Magnus Eriksson of Sweden
3.Sigríðr the Stewardess (1345-1364), steward of the Faroes; mistress of Þorbiǫrn Faereying; m. Eustache Plantagenet, later King of England
4.Ǫgmundr Shortsword (1348-1369), d. of plague, Duke of Uppland after 1357; m. Helena, dau. of King Bo Jonson Grip of Sweden
5.Sveinn Beerseeker (1352-1374), Duke of Uppland after 1370; m. Almodis, dau. of Duke Charles de Bar of Burgundy
[by 2nd m.]:
6.Saint Þórgeirr the Avenging (1354-1399), Duke of Uppland after 1374, d. of plague; m.1st Helena, dau. of King Bo Jonson Grip of Sweden; m.2nd Þóra the Ayyubid
6.[by 1st m.]:
6.1.Cecilia Þórgeirsdóttir (1371-1442); m.1st Sunyer, son of Duke Alfons d'Aragó of the Aegean Islands; m.2nd Bengt, son of Duke St. Dagr av Västerbotten of Småland
6.1.[illegit., by an incubus]:
6.1.1.Sigurðr the Unborn (1393-1448); m. Rannveigr Faereying
6.2.Guttormr Þórgeirsson (1374-1415), Duke of Uppland after 1399, d. of plague; m.1st Ingrid, dau. of Gustav Dagsson av Västerbotten
6.2.1.Ingiriðr the Shipbreasted (1391-1439); m.1st Sveinn Faereying; m.2nd King Rupprecht von Habsburg of Bohemia
6.2.2.Gyríðr Guttormsdóttir, d. 1401 of plague
6.2.4.Skofti Guttormsson, d. 1402 of plague
6.2.5.Árni Poetaster, b. 1403, Duke of Uppland after 1415; m.1st Álfhildr, dau. of Sigbjǫrn Gustavson Bielke; m.2nd Halldóra
6.[by 2nd m.]:
6.3.Eilífr Flaskbeard, b. 1395; m.1st Inga, dau. Tósti Smǫr; m.2nd Catríona, dau. of Giolla Pádraig mac Hagen
6.[by 2nd m.]:
6.3.1.Kristín Eilífsdóttir, b. 1449
6.4.Egill Þórgeirsson, d. 1398 of plague
6.5.Ǫgmundr Foxbeard (1398-1420); m. Margrét, dau. Magnús Magnússon av Island
6.5.1.Ingi the Proud, b. 1416, granted King of Italy, proclaimed Syria, granted Duke of Cyprus, Crete, Achaea, Damietta; m.1st Péronelle the Nun, dau. of Emperor St. Guigues de Bar; m.2nd Inga, dau. of Baggi Sigbiǫrn Bielke
[by 1st m.]:
6.5.1.1.Inga Ingadóttir, d. 1447 of pneumonia
[by 2nd m.]:
6.5.1.2.Biarni Ingason, b. 1448
6.5.1.[illegit., by an Arab]:
6.5.1.3.Erlendr Ingason, b. 1440
6.[illegit., by a Swedish lady-in-waiting]:
6.6.Eysteinn Þórgeirsson, d. 1410 of plague
7.Jórunnr Guðleiksdóttir (1355-1374), d. of plague; m. Óláfr, son of Duke Ragnvaldr Jonson till Sudreim of Slesvig
8.Walter FitzGudlick, d. in infancy
9.Skiálgr the Cursed (1359-1419); m. Elisabet, dau. of St. Jaume d'Aragó
9.1.Egill Skiálgsson, d. 1402 of plague
9.2.Ráðúlfr Skiálgsson, d. 1387 of plague
9.3.Sveinn Skiálgsson, d. 1387 of plague
10.Arnfinnr Chamberlain (1361-1408); m. Sigríðr, dau. of Haraldr Pétsson Skancke
10.1.Ragna Arnfinnsdóttir, b. 1388; m. Egill, son of Bótulfr Gustavson av Västerbotten
11.Óláfr Guðleiksson, d. 1374 of plague
[by 3rd m.]:
12.Ǫlvér Cock (1367-1386); m. Cecilia, dau. of Count Randolf of Westmorland, son of St. Robert Clifford
 

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VII. The Jonlings

Jón the Priest (1325-1388), Bishop of the Faroes 1357-1382; m. Eldrid, dau. of Jón Ketilsson Brusastad
1.Þórgils Butterchest (1358-1383), d. of plague; m. 1374 Dorothea, dau. of Duke Ernst von Rendsburg of Holstein
2.Rannveig the Leper (1359-1405); m. 1381 Duke Johan Arnfastson Sjǫblad of Bergslagen
3.Ástríðr Jóndóttir (1362-1411); m. 1381 Count Óláfr of the Shetlands
4.Guðmundr the Thief (1367-1392), d. of plague; m.1st 1386 Ingiriðr, dau. of Duke Magnús of Finnland, son of St. Óláfr Bååt; m.2nd 1389 Aldonza, dau. of Hermegildo de Borgoña; m.3rd 1391 Sati, dau. of Duke Magnús of Finnland
4.[by 1st m.]:
4.1.Ingiriðr Guðmundardóttir (1386-1404)
4.2.Mariot Sorrel (1388-1419); m. 1404 Rupprecht von Habsburg, later King of Bohemia
4.[by 2nd m.]:
4.3.Þórbiǫrg the Possessed, b. 1390; m. 1412 Count Muhammad Mukhtar of Jaffa
4.4.Óláfr the Suckling (1391-1441), inherited King of Castilla and Léon 1392; m. 1407 Klara Kanizsai
4.4.1.Ragnhildr (1408-1424), d. of pneumonia
4.4.2.Margarita del Norte (1411-1433); m. 1427 Bishop Mihail de Dampierre of Brugge; d. without issue
4.5.*Harðgrípr the Hick (1392-1429); m. *Þórný
4.5.1.Álfr the Disgrace (1416-1449), d. in battle, inherited King of Castilla and Léon 1441; m.1st 1432 Ingiriðr the Mad, dau. of Eysteinn Faereying; m.2nd 1437 Guðrún, dau. of Malthe Asgerson Giske
4.5.2.Biarni Gelder, b. 1425, inherited King of Castilla and Léon 1449, Grandmaster of Calatrava; m. 1448 Beatrice, dau. of Ruggiero Grimaldi
 

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VIII. Ámundr Fuðflogr

For long years by long tradition claimants to the kingdom of Sweden had presented themselves at the Uppsala Thing of All Swedes and then the southern Thing of All Geats, seeking their approval and being in a sense elected by the people there. As such, at the death of Magnús Eriksson, the Guðleiking dukes had just as good a claim to the eastern throne as the next man ─ however, the Norse kingdom had by still longer tradition been kept as close as possible to the Yngling dynasty.

For the price of additional church lands in Bjarmaland, the archbishop in 1365 decreed that henceforth in the name of peace, unity, Christian charity, &c., the two crowns were joined and established as hereditary in the Folkung line. Ignorant of the truth of the Færeying's superior claim, most nobles allowed themselves to be persuaded or purchased into accepting this state of affairs.

Amid the revolts by those who required forcing, Þorbiǫrn pledged himself to Scotland, redirecting the islands' trade from Niðaróss to Edinburgh; there, the king had allied himself with Portugal to prosecute the crusade in Anatolia and proclaimed an open and impartial election ─ in the style of the Northmen ─ for his successor. This famously ended with the selection of Folkmar von Luxemburg, extending the domain 'of the Scots' across the Continent.

The loss of the Sheep Islands went largely unremarked upon and in any case there was little Magnús could do to repair it; but Uppsala only survived its revolt because the great bulk of the royal army was also in the Holy Land on crusade. Their return returned the plague, which ended the nobles' rancor by ending Magnús and his entire male line in a span of years.

Now, a return to election would have meant civil war and still more strife in a devastated land. The eldest line of Arnviðr was extinct; the elder line of Sveinn was already lord in Portugal. Therefore, the Guðleikings returned to the crown and instead supported the continuation of the church's favor to the Folkung. This elevated the infant child of the daughter of Magnús's daughter Beata, who was the son of Guðleikr's brother's Óláfr the Bishop.

1.Óláfr the Bishop (1328-1395), Bishop of the Faroes 1382; m. 1377 Runa, dau. of Duke Ernst von Rendsburg of Holstein
1.1.Ámundr Fuðflogr, b. 1387, inherited King of Norway and Sweden after 1389, conquered King of Denmark, inherited Duke of Holstein; m.1st Hallþóra, dau. of Sveinn Haraldsson till Sudreim; m.2nd Maria, dau. of Antonios de Lusignan

(For an interesting discussion of Northmen like Ámundr who could reign for 61 years,
claim to love both their wives, and yet fail to sire so much as a bastard,
and the occasionally highly amusing epithets they received, see here.)
 
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IX. The Ásríðings [a/k/a the Misc.lings]

The final son was *Ásríðr Ásbrandsson, who, like his father, remained long and peacefully farming on the Southern Island. His children, however, would have none of this and traveled north to the Eastern Island to seek their fortune at the capital of their cousins' kingdom.

This was originally at Gǫta, where the first school, monastic library, and castle were constructed under Þorbiǫrn, but in his son's time all of these were sold to the Gǫtuskegglings to pay for the wars for the Sutherland and Ross in the 1370s. After this, the court was often in Kirkiuvagr in Orkney, Maybole in Carrick, or Alexandria during the 10th Crusade, before the erection of Ingahavn in the shadow of Slættaratindur. This castle was gradually expanded across the peninsula and remains the largest in Christendom, and is second in the world only to Ottoman Miklagarðr.

*Ásríðr Ásbrandsson; m. *Hiálp
1.*Ásfastr Ásríðsson; m. *Ýrr
1.1.*Harmsorgi Ásfastsson; m. *Gróa
1.1.1.Egypt-Bárðr (1401-1422), inherited Duke of Alexandria and Cyprus 1419, d. of pneumonia
1.2.*Harðgrípr Ásfastsson; m. *Guðríðr
1.2.1.Auðin the Halting (1398-1429), inherited Duke of Alexandria and Cyprus 1422
1.3.Óláfr the Lamb, b. 1395; m. 1422 Countess Bonne de Joigny of Gwynedd
1.3.1.Álfr Briton, b. 1433; m. 1449 Cecilia, dau. of Count Gautstaf Smǫr of Akerhus
2.*Trani Ásríðsson; m. *Fastríðr
2.1.Ingi Whalecalm (1386-1445), Count of Messina and Malta; m. 1420 Ausonia, dau. of Duke St. Abbondanzio della Scala of Verona
2.2.*Bursti the Giant; m.1st *Manga; m.2nd *Álǫf
2.2.[by 1st m.]:
2.2.1.Gyða the Bailiff, b. 1398, Countess of Silves; m.1420 Folkmar, son of Adalbert von Habsburg
2.2.2.Finnr Priestbane (1406-1449); m. 1428 Ingiriðr, dau. of Duke Áslákr Ásláksson of Ulster &c.
2.2.2.1.Ingi the Well-Traveled, b. 1430, granted Count of Limisol; m. 1446 Snǫfríðr, dau. of Count Ormr Haraldsson till Sudreim of Oppland
2.2.2.2.Ástríðr Finnsdóttir, b. 1436
2.2.[by 2nd m.]:
2.2.3.Þróndr the Bishop, b. 1418, Bishop of the Faroes 1443; m. 1446 Berenguera, dau. of Prince Ioan, son of King Seneslav d'Anjou of Naples, Croatia, and Bosnia
2.2.4.Gunnarr Darkcheek, b. 1422, inherited Count of Messina and Malta 1445; m. 1445 Rannveig Ingadóttir Þorbiǫrnling
2.2.4.1.Guðrún Gunnarsdóttir, b. 1446
2.2.4.2.Ragna Gunnarsdóttir, b. 1449
2.2.5.Þórmóðr Silk, b. 1424, court minstrel 1448
3.Horse-Eysteinn (1373-1433); m. 1407 Queen Tiburge of Hungary, dau. of Stéphanie d'Anjou
3.1.Ingriðr the Blessed, b. 1408; m. 1425 Count Charles de Tonnerre of Poitiers
3.2.Brígiða the Doe (1409-1444); m. 1426 Duke Nándor Kõszegi of Finnland
3.3.Ormr Dropsword (1411-1449), d. in battle, King of Hungary after 1445; m.1st 1427 Alfridh, dau. of Knut d'Armagnac; m.2nd 1434 Ástríðr, dau. of Eysteinn Alonso
3.3.[by 1st m.]:
3.3.1.Einarr Woodskull (1428-1445), d. of pneumonia; m. 1444 Guðrún, dau. of Bishop Óláfr Orsini of Vitebsk
3.3.2.Ragnhildr the Impressive, b. 1429; m. 1447 Duke Hálfdan Ásláksson of Antioch
3.3.[by 2nd m.]:
3.3.3.Ingi of Hungary, b. 1436, King of Hungary after 1449
3.3.4.Hǫmlaug Ormsdóttir, b. 1437
3.3.5.Rannveig Ormsdóttir, b. 1440
3.3.6.Gyða Ormsdóttir, b. 1445
3.4.Ingiriðr the Mad (1415-1437); m. 1432 King Álfr of Castilla and Léon
3.5.Magnús Nannygoat[/b], b. 1419, Count of Pecs; m. 1435 Ragnhildr the Mad, dau. of Bengt Bengtson till Ulvåsa
4.Egypt-Ingi (1375-1411), Duke of Alexandria and Cyprus; m. 1408 Klara von Tirol
4.1.Auðin the Young (1410-1419), Duke of Alexandria and Cyprus 1411
5.*Horni Ásríðsson; m. *Þrúða
5.1.Ingiriðr Axeblade (1389-1435); m. 1423 Duke St. García de Alcácer do Sal of Beja
5.2.Skofti Turk, b. 1396, Duke of Galilee; m.1st 1423 Sofia, dau. Duke Onorio Masci of Pisa; m.2nd 1433 Þorbiǫrg Nagibardóttir
[by 1st m.]:
5.2.1.Haraldr the Keen, b. 1425, Count of Beirut; m.1st Giertrud, dau. of Duke Egill Hákonarson of Munster; m.2nd Guðrún, dau. of Bishop Óláfr Orsini of Vitebsk
5.2.1.[by 1st m.]:
5.2.1.1.Jórunnr Haraldsdóttir, b. 1444
5.2.1.[by 2nd m.]:
5.2.1.2.Arnkell Haraldsson, b. 1448
5.2.2.Guðríðr Skoftadóttir, b. 1427; m. Haraldr Malthason Giske
5.2.[by 2nd m.]:
5.2.3.Kolbeinn the Low, b. 1434; m. Sigríðr. dau. of Duke Richard de Quincy of Aquitaine
5.2.4.Rannveig Skoftadóttir, b. 1435
5.2.5.Hálfdan the Unimposing, b. 1436
6.Guðmundr Jerusalemfarer (1379-1430); m. 1410 Constance, dau. of Duke Foulques d'Evreux of Aragon and Luxemburg
6.1.Ingibiǫrg Guðmundsdóttir, b. 1424; m. 1440 Duke Oliva d'Aragó of Orleans

(As well as a panoply of female courtiers,
generally married off to the Papal courts to boost their prestige.
Which actually fits somewhat with being papal controller, mind.)
 

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X. Popes

During these years, the popes were

  • HH Benedictus XII, who was born Jacques Fournier. He was close to King Robert of Sicily.
  • HH Clemens VI, who was born Engelbert von Dolen and had been Prince-Bishop of Dorpat in Livonia. He was close to King Robert and also Duke Guillaume of Holland.
  • HH Innocentius VI, who was born Ulrich von Lenzburg and had been bishop of Chur in Burgundy. He was close to Duke Albrecht of Brunswick and the kings Orlando of Trinacria and Charles of Sicily.
  • HH St. Urbanus V, who was born Walram von Jülich and was Prince-Archbishop of Köln in Germany. During his reign, Óláfr Thinbeard was sent to the bishop of Rome as a fosterling.
  • HH Gregorius XI, who was born Mihály Szécsényi and had been bishop of Cenad. He was close to Duke Magnús of Norrland and supported him in any thing he did. It was in these years that the greatest part of the Faroes was given over by Þorbiǫrn Færeying to the church, ending the prosperity formerly enjoyed there.
  • HH Urbanus VI was born Richard of Bury and had been Prince-Bishop of Durham. He was close to Duke Kalman of Transylvania who was beset by heretics and pagans all around.
  • HH St. Bonifacius IX, who was born Philippe de Coucy and reigned 25 years, longer than any man since Peter. He returned the Papacy to Rome and kept Óláfr at the court there. He remained close to King Jean of France and grew close to Duke Robert of Calabria. In 1378, he repaid the church's debt to Lord Þorbiǫrn by saving his son Ingi — he proclaimed the Peace of God between the Duke of Faroe and the King of Scotland, leaving Ingi with all Ross and the Sutherland although he had been abandoned by the Swedish king. Þróndr the Sharpsighted he was much harsher with, growing close to his enemy King Enrique of Castilla and León who prefered to gain his treasure by oppressing his Christian neighbors instead of by harrying the Moors to his south.
  • Innocentius VII, who was Charles da Ponte, archbishop of Badajoz. He was the next elected to the see of St. Peter, and yet he was in all things exceedingly wicked, so that it could be seen from this that the Enemy is able to gain in this world all things. What he would do is wait until a mass had began and then collapse to the ground, making a great spectacle and frothing at the mouth, saying many things both true and false, yet always injurious to his enemies and beneficial to those who would grant him favors. And some of the overly credulous took these for signs and marvels such as those vouchsafed to the Folking dowager Beata who spoke to angels and retired to a convent. From this, he was named pope, and for his opposition and piety he had Óláfr excommunicated from the church, keeping him from being granted his Italian kingdom for years. It is to his shame Ingi was called a friend to this beast, as was Duke Philip of Albany.

    But it pleases God to reward the prayers of the faithful and so the reign of Charles was as short as St. Boniface IX's was long.
  • HH St. Gregorius XII, who was Eustache Masci, bishop of Terebovl. He humbled Sicily and annexed Apulia to the Papal States.

    In 1403, he removed Óláfr's excommunication on condition that he and his father take up the cross. In 1405, Óláfr freed Venice from the Mohametans it had long since elected; in 1407, he and Ingi were both present at the great Battle of Alrode ─ their victory led directly to the conquest of Alexandria and Cairo in 1407 and Jerusalem in 1409, bringing success to the X Crusade almost seventy years after its declaration.
  • Alexander V who was Ludwig von Morava, Prince-Bishop of Osnabrück, is properly an antipope, having been acclaimed by Roman mob despite his horrific reputation (-2226 prestige). He was slain the next day by the papal camerlengo.
  • HH Martinus V, who was Ludwig von Spondheim. He had been archbishop of Prague and was close to Ingi the Crooked.
  • HH Eugenius IV, who was Arnkell Duglasson. He had been bishop of Sutherland and remained close to King Ingi.
  • HH Nicholaus V, who was Sveinn Bairðson, Prince-Archbishop of Florence. He remained close to King Ingi.
  • HH Callistus III, who was Maurice Ruffo, bishop of Ross. He was close to King Ingi until the day he died. Afterwards, he worked with King Ámundr of Norway against the excommunicate king of Germany. He began the call to the XI Crusade but died of the plague before he or his sons could take up the cross. Instead,
  • HH St. Pius II, who was Gerhard Ruffo, cousin of HH Callistus III and bishop of St. Pol de Léon. He found himself named pope while he was a commander in the armies of King Áslákr. Beginning his reign close to Duke Ludwig of Brandenburg, St. Pius was allowed to personally recover Antioch from the Southern heretics. In its cathedral, he annointed Áslákr Emperor of the Romans. Beginning with his discovery of the Holy Grail beneath the cathedral's altar, Áslákr performed several miracles in the pope's presence, grew close to him, and was proclaimed a saint immediately upon his death in 1433. The most important miracle in our day was his vassalization and conversion of the Mamluk heir Nasmadinus Bari, lord of Hama ─ this led directly to the conversion of his vast empire, from the Nile to the Indus.

    On Áslákr's death, St. Pius was closer to King Ámundr than Áslákr's heir, Magnús the Exceedingly Rich. Therefore, when Magnús inherited his cousin's realm in Portugal, St. Pius remained at war with the young man rather than accept his requests for peace. The d'Anjou took advantage of this to recover their former lands and sack Rome herself ─ Magnús then was forced to sack her himself, as Pius continued to refuse parlay.
  • HH Paulus II, who was Charles Guerrazzi, archbishop of Glasgow. He was also close to King Ámundr and accepted white peace with his cousin.
  • HH Xystus IV, who was Hugues Gaetani, Prince-Bishop of Trent. He was close to King Ámundr.
  • HH Innocentius VIII, who was Kolbeinn Áoðason, bishop of Ross. He was close to King Magnús.
  • HH Alexander VI, who was Þórfinnr av Gylland, bishop of Ösel-Wiek. He was close to King Géraud de Lorraine of Germany.
 

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Can't read half of the names, but this is still cool...:D
 

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Notes

Notes
1. Inspiration from Phargle's Briefly, the Angevins. Also, every medieval history ever.

The genealogy format is from the old worldroots.com site, which has since gotten uglier and only seems to work using IE for some reason.

2. Murm, can you not read the words? or is your browser turning the characters into gobbedigook?

If it's the latter, we could at least replace the parasite-Os (Ǫǫ) with dotty Os (Öö) or the slashy ones (Øø). I really like thorn (Þþ) and edh (Ðð), though, and would hope we can introduce some corrections and improvements to the Norse name file (Gustav, eg, isn't attested during the entire period).

3. All in all, a failure.

I wanted to expand the family and gain control of the near abroad at the least, which worked. I wanted to avoid creating a single hegemon, and ─ with some editing to the liege = lines on the save files ─ I got everything into appropriate, separate kingdoms.

4. However, once I was in line for the Portuguese throne, I checked out the line of assault to get some Norsemen running Prince Jon's carricks. There are nine steps:


I got most of these fairly early and took advantage of wartime control to adjust the sliders to 10-20-10-60. Meeting my trait obligations and joining the Crusades cut out about a decade of peace, but by the end of the game, I not only hadn't converted down to Portugal ─ I hadn't converted south of Caithness: just one province in the entire game.

With elective law and royal duchies ─ given out all together to the most promising adult son to take him on as a co-ruler and build up his prestige, ─ I could continue to keep Norse kings as long as I wanted, but the heartland of the kingdom remained Scottish. At best, this kingdom could hope for some kind of Border Norse culture; at worst, simple rebellion against the tributes of food and wood needed to keep a large capital in the Faroes.

5. Only two CTDs during the game, which yearly autosaves fixed pretty well. Amusingly, I was ready with screenshots of Áslákr's beatification, but he died and was beatified the second time, too.

Since I skipped his son for his grandson, he missed the canonization event.

edit: Less amusingly, the other CTD came after Sutherland had just converted to Norwegian culture. And then it didn't happen again for the rest of the game. Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng.

6. The game really should do a better job of realizing when dukes are better off on their own. I created truly massive independent duchies of Upper Lorraine and Outremer (ne -jordan) and even went so far as to raise Outremer's status to kingdom, but they both pledged to other countries (with equivalent or even smaller resources) within a year of being freed.

7. Outremer was occasioned because it was just too stupid to go to war with d'Anjou Croatia, Hungary, and Lithuania to correctly assert the kingdom status of Judea which was owned in its entirety by me. I understand that 'Sicily' at the time had slightly different meaning and should still be the d'Anjou title despite their not owning a province on the island; however, their claim to an extinct Crusader state should simply be a claim, not an actual title held at the beginning of the game.

CK gets very buggy when you mess with a primary title, especially a player's, but there's really no justification for continuing to hold a title after you have lost every single province it designates ─ Is there really no way to remove such titles by event?

8. Speaking of bugs, both CTDs occured when I hovered my cursor over the time bar/pause button. I have to do this because my new laptop bizarrely doesn't include a pause button on its keyboard and I don't know how to create a hotkey for it.

9. For the most part, vassilization of Arabs while on crusade is the way to go ─ fair enough, but they seem to convert rather too rapidly and stay converted rather too much. Perhaps an event that relapses a ruler if he still possesses a Sunni or Shia trait that races with the event that removes those traits?

10. Basilisos Rubenid in Trebizond should be Basilios Komnenos or Basilios Megas Komnenos. Just noticed that again.
 
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That mirrors a lot of my griping about CK. The title scheme becomes patchwork irritating over the course of the game, with duchies here, provinces there, kingdoms there, and no sense or style to it. It feels worse in some ways with Deus Vult because the pledging goes all weird and the courtiers all have 15-20s in their stats.

Getting that province conversion event is damned hard, but good on you for keeping norsemen in charge as long as possible.

I don't think there's any way to remove a title by event. At one point in my Angevins (damn you Sims 2!), I was purposefully ignoring England to focus on France and so I let all my rebellious vassals there go without a fight. The probem is this: they come back. I considered declaring war on one of my relatives with a claim to the English crown just so I could activate a cheat code and get them to accept the crown as part of a peace treaty. That might work for you too.
 

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11. Well, this is odd.

CK's save games use ANSI encoding (which is really windows-1252, not actual ANSI, but the upshot is it's), not Unicode. So, the parasite-Os are out. That's fine - dotty-O in Swedish and slashy-O in Norse are basically the same thing written a different way. But then I test out some of the letters on "ÁÆæĐđÐðÍíÓóŒœǪǫÞþÝý Rubenid" and this is what happens:


Everything shows up fine (except for the parasite-Os, which are eaten) in the mouse-over, but certain letters disappear from the actual display (most annoyingly, edh). Which is odd until I remember that CK uses those gfx files for its font. Does anyone know how one would go about modding it to include edh or make the OE ligature look less creepy?
 
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Appendix I. Eye Candy

[size=+2]A. The World in 1450[/size]


Legend
Star: Capital city
Circle: City with income >30• in 1450
Circles: City with income >40• in 1450

(Civil unrest in France and Germany omitted.
Minor Russian marches considered vassals of the Horde.
The Byzantine Empire has its capital on Samos.
The dark blue state in Bahrain is the remnant of the Ilkhanate.)
 
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I loved the epic genealogical poem in the first post.

All that internal rhyming....son rhymes with son, whodda thought.

Also, you're gold, as usual.