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If you improve relations and make some of them allies they're not affected by aggressive expansion. You can even go above your relation limit to lower the impact of coalitions.
Sure, it's not great, but coalitions don't seem to be going anywhere considering Paradox's stance on the issue.

They are annoying but they hardly make the game unplayable.
 

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Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind. Austria is so neutral and Venice-Poland are rivals when it comes to forming alliances but yeah at least I can keep Hungary out of the coalitions.
 

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The thing is your neighbours are affected by AE so easily that they immediately form a coalition against you. What is worse and tricky is that your rivals such as Venice enters into coalition to eradicate you even if your AE doesn't affect them much. I want to conquer Bosnia, Serbia, Besarabia, Byzantium, Southern Greece, Northern parts of Anatolia before 1463 but the game doesn't let me to do so which is frustrating.

Just tried it. Couldn't do it by 1463 because of 15 yr truce timers, but I reckon it's possible. Doable in the 1460s at any rate.
 

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Got 7 provinces with a war with Nogai and Crimea and not even Lithuania joined coalition.

Like Grommile said, despite the smell people replied just because someone was wrong on the Internetz :)
 

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Sorry I was confused with the directions. I made a little trial. Have a quick look at this

Why would Bahmanis care about my conquest of Aleppo? They don't even discover where I am on the map. :rofl: And if I conquer Lika from Hungary AE affects Scotland, Norway, Portugal etc. One province dude only one. Give me a break.

Why would christian european countries not be worried about turkish expansion to europe?
 

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Haven't read the whole thread but did the OP have previously aquired AE, if so then it would make sence. The easy part is the get claim declare war part in this strategy game. The hard part making sure you actually think stuff through and prepare before you do declare the war. You have diplomats at your disposal and you should if you are smart use them to make most nations you have no interest in fighting have high opinions of you. This is especially true inside the HRE.
 

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Considering this game's UI is absolutely terrible for learning the game and essentially forces trial and error gameplay into a strategy game, frustration is both natural and expected. For example, you and I know that big AE leads to coalitions. However, if someone just fires up the game, runs the tutorial briefly, then hops into the game to replicate a historical conquest, he'll see "you get 40 aggressive expansion for this". That means nothing without context of everything that AE can do, and the game does *not* provide that via in-game interface, anywhere. It doesn't tell you which aspects of combat are more important (tactics > pips > discipline/morale), so people lose battles and have no idea why. It sure as heck doesn't explain how coalitions work, and you know nothing about separate peace limitations until you see it.

To a rookie just looking to replicate historical conquests on an average difficulty level, the game is both obscure and vexingly punishing when it comes to doing what actual countries did, and in more than one case goes against logic.

truth there. It ook me months to even grasp how to play without making stupid mistakes. Reading a wiki and all its articles help.. but i guess reading before playing doesn't appeal to some players :)
 

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Got 7 provinces with a war with Nogai and Crimea and not even Lithuania joined coalition.

Like Grommile said, despite the smell people replied just because someone was wrong on the Internetz :)

"Got provinces and not even a nation in a completely different religious and cultural group joined a coalition"

Sounds absurd to me. Of course Lithuania wouldn't. You could probably take 100 such provinces and they wouldn't care, it's not a genuine example.

truth there. It ook me months to even grasp how to play without making stupid mistakes. Reading a wiki and all its articles help.. but i guess reading before playing doesn't appeal to some players

It's not just reading, it's studying as if for examination. You'd have to do more than have glanced through the wiki, you'd have to study the wiki, because a ton of that information is important and not displayed in the game at all (and the wiki misses things too).

And it's not like you're memorizing strategies, or the best opening. You're trying to memorize the ****ing rules of the game. It's comical that people are on here defending that setup when they themselves *still* don't know the rules of the game they're playing.
 

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Lithuania was neighbour and rival AND wanted provinces back. Try again.

OP´s claim is hyperbole, it could happen (1 province = coalition) in previous versions but does NOT happen in 1.7.3.
 

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The OP must have been a butt head for all of his friends to want coalition against him twice in a row at the start of the game.

Honestly, I don't think it's the game's fault, you just need better friends who would be willing to ally you.
 

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I do think the likelihood of nations joining coalitions should scale with size - an OPM tripling in size to 3 provinces should not have half the great powers of Europe and every single member of the HRE join a coalition to spank it. Actually, considering how coalitions were historically (League of Cambrai being essentially a part of the Italian Wars and politics unrelated to land grabs), they should be toned down a fair few notches - difficulty for the players who played the game to death and now want challenges after doing everything that can be done should not be prioritized over the enjoyment of more or less casual players. Maybe limit coalition triggers to areas of interest - this way we won't have coalitions containing Castille and someone like Bavaria against Burgundy after taking land from England.

Of course, I do smell a rotten fish in the OP's complaint.
 
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