The Fourth Estates

[Apolojuice]

The Estate system seems interesting... Is it moddable? I am looking forward to having the Jews, the Slaves (for colonial nations, some provinces in the cotton belt were majority slave populations) and Women Suffragists (in the extended timeline) this way.

 

[Grallak]

How it will affect teocracies will be interesting.

 

[NwahNerevar]

Theocracies don't get estates

 

[PhroX]

Theocracies don't get estates

Yes they do. Have a look at DDRJake's Mzab campaign on Twitch.

From what I can tell, the Clergy get a boost to influence if you're a Theocracy.

 

[LittleFido]

Theocracies get Estates same as most everyone else, the exceptions being Ming (Celestial Empire) and Merchant Republics.
Estates are fully moddable.
Have made a few myself focusing primarily on the Colonial Nations (Nothing ready to be shared though)

 

[TheDungen]

Theocracies get Estates same as most everyone else, the exceptions being Ming (Celestial Empire) and Merchant Republics.
Estates are fully moddable.
Have made a few myself focusing primarily on the Colonial Nations (Nothing ready to be shared though)

Wait merchant republics no longer get estates?

 

[raikaria]

Wait merchant republics no longer get estates?

Merchant Republics [And Celestial Ming] have Factions; not estates.

 

[TheDungen]

Merchant Republics [And Celestial Ming] have Factions; not estates.

Well early on they said that estates would replace the factions in merchant republics but not in ming. Wow that's boring.

 

[Topias]

Merchant Republics [And Celestial Ming] have Factions; not estates.

This contradicts what they've said earlier.

Merchant Republics lose their factions if the new expansion is enabled and get estates instead.

 

[User4035]

Well early on they said that estates would replace the factions in merchant republics but not in ming. Wow that's boring.

Ya I don't get this either.
I mean, I like that it did not get replaced as it would make merchant republic play like a normal nation.

 

[KlinkerFyren]

I am guessing that if merchant pubs and Ming change government they would get estates. Ming has an event that changes their government to Feudal for instance.

 

[Golladan]

Wait merchant republics no longer get estates?

Nope.

These guys cannot get the Church estate: Merchant Republics, Native Councils, Siberian Native Council, Celestial Empire, USA, Nomads, colonial nations
These guys cannot get the Nobility estate: Merchant Republics, Native Councils, Siberian Native Council, Revolutionary Republic, Revolutionary Empire, Celestial Empire, Nomads, colonial nations. And if Common Sense is active, English Monarchy and the 2 constitutional governments.
These guys cannot get the Burghers estate: Merchant Republics, Native Councils, Siberian Native Council, Celestial Empire, Nomads, colonial nations
These guys cannot get the Cossacks estate: Merchant Republics, Native Councils, Siberian Native Council, Celestial Empire, Nomads, colonial nations, anybody that does not have eastern units, anybody that is not christian
These guys cannot get the Nomadic Tribes estate: Merchant Republics, Native Councils, Siberian Native Council, Celestial Empire, Nomads, colonial nations, anybody that is not nomad
These guys cannot get the Dhimmi estate: Merchant Republics, Native Councils, Siberian Native Council, Celestial Empire, Nomads, colonial nations, western tech nations, anybody that is not muslim


What Wiz said didn't come to pass. Likely did not have time to implement it (as that would require reworking how factions are given).

 

[Tommiy]

So merchant republics are keeping that terrible faction system instead of the much better obvious replacement?

 

[User4035]

So merchant republics are keeping that terrible faction system instead of the much better obvious replacement?

That's highly debatesble.

I got plans to switch most nations to merchant republic just to avoid the estates.

It seems like the estates bonuses are mostly economic.
So I'm giving up autonomy, which lowers economy, for a boost to another part of economy.

I might be wrong and estates could be balanced and give good bonuses if micro managed. But I will have to wait and see.

 

[TheDungen]

So merchant republics are keeping that terrible faction system instead of the much better obvious replacement?

So it would unfortunatly seem. Wow not only do they remnove the hansa, they didn't update the merchant republics. Well I guess I won't be playing Lübeck either then. Hello hamburg.... to bad there are no fun formable tags there though (they all force you to become a monarchy).

That's highly debatesble.

I got plans to switch most nations to merchant republic just to avoid the estates.

You haven't even played it yet... and the merchant republic faction system really sucks. The Hansa is my most played nation I know the merchant republic system better than I'd like.

 

[User4035]

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You haven't even played it yet... and the merchant republic faction system really sucks. The Hansa is my most played nation I know the merchant republic system better than I'd like.

Well you get a 5% increase to morale.

 

[TheDungen]

Well you get a 5% increase to morale.

I think you're missing the point...

 

[NwahNerevar]

Yes they do. Have a look at DDRJake's Mzab campaign on Twitch.

From what I can tell, the Clergy get a boost to influence if you're a Theocracy.

Woops, my bad.

 

[DmUa]

Maybe they rework estates for merchant reps use in inevitable next hot fix patch... at least i hope so.

 

[TheDungen]

I'm hoping the next dlc will have major reworks for merchant republics. Adding the hansa back in some capacity, and updating the merchant republic government form.