The faction system is amazing

[Ciccillo Rre]

Just wanted to express this as it seems to be only hatred posts on these boards.

Now rebellions and internal strife are soooo much better to manage. No more many little rebellions at risk of causing huge upheavals, but single large-scale ones. So much of a gameplay improvement.

I have to say that I base this judgement from a game where I am starting from the position of single county count to become king and emperor, initially life was easier than usual and now - when I control several kingdoms not being de jure part of my empire - things are getting relatively more difficult to manage, but in all honesty is still so much better than before.

(Now, some more UI information on what prompts character create and join factions would be appreciated.)

(And also bug fixes, like the Ecumenical Patriarch not working for vassal kingdoms, the core kingdoms de jure drifting out of not existing empires which is also bugged, and so on. Hotfix worthy?)

 

[Dogia]

I agree completely. Love the new faction system.

 

[dr eng1ish]

Agreed. It was great as a vassal manipulating the Emperor into giving me land and titles by joining factions at key moments. Then when another faction revolted, I used it as the chance to push my faction into revolt and became emperor. I much prefer it to the old threat system.

 

[Velorian]

I love to potential of the system, but hate the implementation. Stuff like most of Europe being elective after a little while is borderline game-breaking to me, worse than not having the system.

 

[Mixxer5]

I love to potential of the system, but hate the implementation. Stuff like most of Europe being elective after a little while is borderline game-breaking to me, worse than not having the system.

This. Ruler is being crowned and dethroned day later, only to get crowned again by same people that dethroned him. And he again gets dethroned.

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

I love to potential of the system, but hate the implementation. Stuff like most of Europe being elective after a little while is borderline game-breaking to me, worse than not having the system.

This. Ruler is being crowned and dethroned day later, only to get crowned again by same people that dethroned him. And he again gets dethroned.

I have not seen this kind of stuff, I've only played one game with 1.07 so far (I'll make an AAR out of it soon) and it was all fine and smooth.

Which kind of games did you guys play?

 

[HabemusZlatan]

The thing itself is cool, only the AI needs to choose more rational things to faction about, like pretenders or less centralization.
They shouldn't really faction to become and independent duchy in the middle of Anatolia with the Seljuks right near you (unless the said vassal is a Georgian King of Georgia or an Armenian king of Armenia facing a dying Byzantine Empire, in that case I can understand why)

 

[Mixxer5]

I have not seen this kind of stuff, I've only played one game with 1.07 so far (I'll make an AAR out of it soon) and it was all fine and smooth.

Which kind of games did you guys play?

Byzantium. Dear God... That was quite a ride. 10 emperors during one year.

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

The thing itself is cool, only the AI needs to choose more rational things to faction about, like pretenders or less centralization.

This is all what I've seen.

As for the small dukes wanting to be independent (with the company of other dukes) I only saw it in 'safe' positions.

Byzantium. Dear God... That was quite a ride. 10 emperors during one year.

But perhaps Western Europe is different in that regard.

 

[XRW]

I like it. Random revolts are reduced to 0% factions act like more serious versions of plots. I can't recall how many I've been asked to plot for lower crown authority and it didn't pan out. Now a faction actually has a decent shot (what with half the Empire belonging to a single vassal *me*). Also the top level liege gets most of the factions. Leaving me mostly alone. Combine this with retinues reducing realm levies and handing them to me is a recipe for a happy king.

 

[Mixxer5]

This is all what I've seen.

As for the small dukes wanting to be independent (with the company of other dukes) I only saw it in 'safe' positions.

All my eastern dukes wanted independence. Eaten alive in few weeks.

 

[Blond_Knight]

The thing itself is cool, only the AI needs to choose more rational things to faction about, like pretenders or less centralization.
They shouldn't really faction to become and independent duchy in the middle of Anatolia with the Seljuks right near you (unless the said vassal is a Georgian King of Georgia or an Armenian king of Armenia facing a dying Byzantine Empire, in that case I can understand why)

Agree, I had a vassal want independence right next to the Mongols. I let them go and they lasted less than a month before the Mongols came knocking. I do think succession wars are the best part of the system but ultimately A.I. vassals are spoiled little children who want everything right now. On the other hand, as a ruler I find manipulating the faction system usually works to my advantage since granting independence gives you strong claims.

 

[dr eng1ish]

I haven't seen the option to form a faction for elective succession. I specifically looked for it while vassal, too. I certainly haven't seen other countries with elective succession (aside from the normal ones). The reasons people join could be made clearer and more logical I agree. But the typical strategy of keeping them happy still keeps them from joining so it's not a big issue to me.

 

[donaldduck]

The more amazing thing is that Duke of Cairo forms a faction to lower the crown authority of Ruthenia. Can he get anything from this?

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

The more amazing thing is that Duke of Cairo forms a faction to lower the crown authority of Ruthenia. Can he get anything from this?

The problem there is not the faction system - you can never design a mechanism so perfect to avoid oddities - but the Egypt rampage.

 

[Patricius]

I like it. If a gift and title for the faction leader doesn't bring an end to the matter, I will be shortly helping myself to some fiefs and money, and leaving them in jail for 20 years. I do like it. Mostly in my game now, it is from relatives who might gain if there was gavelkind or another form of inheritance. They have motivation, and the civil wars if the arrest fails, keeps my retinue exercised.

 

[Comradebot]

The problem there is not the faction system - you can never design a mechanism so perfect to avoid oddities - but the Egypt rampage.

Aye, my Duke of Cairo has an obsession with lowering all my crown authorities. It wasn't too long ago he was the faction leader to lower authority in Nubia, Egypt, and Jerusalem. Thankfully, he died. His predecessor however hates me even more... about to use the auto-Coptic excommunication and send him to the ol' chopping block.

 

[Rasdor]

Today I had a kinda weird Faction situation. I'm playing as the de Conteville, got myself to Duke of Normany. Anyway..the king is William the Conqueror. His heir was Robert.

This is where it got interesting. A faction was created to put a man named Ulf of House Godwin on the throne. He's a minor bishop in Northern England, and the youngest son of King Harold Godwinson. Cutting to the chase, the Prince Robert (heir to England) JOINED this faction. He joined a faction that was trying to put another man on the throne, taking away any chance of him ever ruling England himself. Heh.

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

Today I had a kinda weird Faction situation. I'm playing as the de Conteville, got myself to Duke of Normany. Anyway..the king is William the Conqueror. His heir was Robert.

This is where it got interesting. A faction was created to put a man named Ulf of House Godwin on the throne. He's a minor bishop in Northern England, and the youngest son of King Harold Godwinson. Cutting to the chase, the Prince Robert (heir to England) JOINED this faction. He joined a faction that was trying to put another man on the throne, taking away any chance of him ever ruling England himself. Heh.

This shouldn't happen, I agree