The Evil Circle of BB

[noodles]

Even without bb wars a vassal who hates you will try to break free if it thinks it can.

But it can't, while I'm one of the most powerful nations in the game with almost as powerful allies - who can a weak vassal of mine ever think he'll be able to break free without loosing a war resulting in me force-vassaling them again.

But, I realized now that alliances was easy to achieve with vassals and the problem is as good as solved. I will at least not repeat the mistake in another game. Since other nations wouldn't accept an alliance with +200 relation (is that caused by BB? Seems like a more natural first step in sanctioning me instead of declaring war at once) I would never believe vassals would accept an alliance with less than +100 relations.

But in the end it turned out to be an easy solution after all. Thanks for the help.


EDIT: As for the help in the pursue of world conquest, I mentioned earlier that the BB wars appears so frequently that the war exhaustion and therefor revolt risk in my provinces keeps my forces occupied and when I in addition have several front lines and problems with reenforcing the army it makes it hard - if not impossible - to get something out of this in the long run. At least because I had stability problems in advance, and when I was going to focus my research on stability the wars begun (I use force-vassalization tactic to avoid BB, the tactic just doesn't work when you diplo-annex huge countries, the BB goes of like a rocket) and with -3 stability, increasing war exhaustion and revolt risk, treacherous vassals, decreasing army size and treasury - I was kinda fucked. But as mentioned above, I got it all figured out, so thanks.

 

[Slyspy]

yes as such bb wars could be seen as breaking the game... however if there
were no bb wars the game would be even easier... me thinks

But my argument is exactly the opposite. It makes land-grabbing easier and more likely. Easier because the BB player becomes the victim, more likely because you have to annex lands and nations to stop them from attacking you. For example, last time I was in a BB war I ended up annexing all my non-allied vassals just to shut them up. As allies they would simply have been swallowed up by my enemies, so I might as well take possession myself unless they are a buffer between me and someone more powerful. Sure you may get high revolt risk and many revolts, but with land comes money and manpower.

 

[Darkrenown]

But it can't, while I'm one of the most powerful nations in the game with almost as powerful allies - who can a weak vassal of mine ever think he'll be able to break free without loosing a war resulting in me force-vassaling them again.

I've noticed weaker nations who couldn't normally beat you will sometimes DoW when you're at war with someone else and/or have high WE. But in your case the AI was pretty much forced into it by your BB, I just wanted to mention vassal wars can happen without BB too

Since other nations wouldn't accept an alliance with +200 relation (is that caused by BB?

BB can affect it, but are you aware a country can only form 2 alliances? If you or the target already has 2 allys then any alliance offer with say impossible.