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In the game it's name is actually the United Kingdom. Free Britain would be the best name for the idea of others fighting on because that's the way other countries are handled (Vichy France, Nationalist Spain, etc.)

A neutral United Kingdom that was not involved in the war would be fine with me if it fired after Vichy France and if Halifax was chosen as the PM instead of Churchill. But not a UK still in the war since that leaves their huge navy sailing around forever.

Churchill would never have surrendered to the Nazis in my opinion. He was ranting about them as a backbencher a few years before the war started and trying to warn everyone about them. His opposition to the Nazis was not a recent thing.

Since the UK and the Commonwealth had nothing material to gain as they had basically lost no territory and would not likely conquer any, their opposition to the Nazis was a matter of principle. Remember that the UK and the CW stood alone against the Nazis for one year until Hitler invaded the SU. That has to be factored into any analysis.
 
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john heidle said:
Since the UK and the Commonwealth had nothing material to gain as they had basically lost no territory and would not likely conquer any, their opposition to the Nazis was a matter of principle.

Errm, not really. The Commonwealth stood with Britain on the basis - as it had done in WW1 - of pure loyalty to the Empire, at least, initially. I'm not saying this is a terribly bad thing, but the idea that somehow the Empire was full of die hard anti-Nazis is pure nonsense. - Britain wasn't even full of such people, as Halifax and his widespread support demonstrates. So where people get the idea that the Empire and Commonwealth were thirsting for a crusade against a totalitarian regime on another continent in 1939 and 1940, I've frankly no idea.

To state The UK could have made peace with Germany if Halifax had been PM with relative ease, and without any principled objection, and also state in the same breath that the Commonwealth (Which was effectively divorced from European affairs.) would have continued the war to the bitter end, under any circumstances is self-evidently contradictory.

I'm not really sure if it even matters that, if the UK is conquered, there is any kind of formal peace between Germany and the Empire. If such a thing happened, then the war in the west would be over. Whether New Zealand, for example, decides to continue hostilities is a total irrelevance, really.

(I'm presuming that if Germany had conquered the UK, then the Royal Navy has been subdued by the Kriegsmarine and the Luftwaffe as a basic pre-condition to invasion. Which is a fairly fantastical assumption, but then again, so is this whole debate.)
 
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