The effects of total Chinese occupation

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In one of my weirdest Japanese games yet, I was able to eat up China before Germany had even declared war on Poland. To my surprise, the USSR declares war on Germany just before 1939 ended! I was too busy making garrisons to nullify partisans, and enjoying the peacetime manpower flowing in, to help the Krauts with the Soviet threat.

Germany somehow manages to take Poland, France (through Maginot somehow, completely ignoring Belgium and Netherlands!), and get Spain into the Axis. And they didn't make Vichy either, Germany somehow took all of France while holding back the bear. I didn't get my precious Indochina.

So I took 2 years off to build factories, research the TC techs, and more garrisons, and I still had TC issues from the sheer size of China. Before I knew it the UK had invaded Spain, and within a year had pushed to Germany's western borders! In another 6 months Italy fell, and in another 6 months Germany fell; the US had declared war on them but never did anything. All the great amphibious attacks and invasions were handled perfectly by the British, and the Soviets simply took the land east of Berlin.

I decided to punish the Soviets, despite horrible TC, and was doing well until the US embargoed me and then declared war within 6 months. The free world and the Communists had too much to offer. All that great manpower simply wasn't worth the horrible TC penalties. It would have been fixed in 3-4 years of factories and techs, but no, Germany had to get embarrassed by the bulldog. :rofl:

Did all this insanity happen because of the occupation, or was it all a complete fluke? I didn't even get to join the Axis for some reason; I was stuck with that one puppet state you start with (I didn't create the second one) so I couldn't manually join.

It's a bizarre situation when you can devour China, and have nothing else to do, not because you don't want to, but because you can't do anything! The weight gain takes years of strength away, though I suppose it's worth it if Japan can stay at peace for 3-4 years. It was certainly a weird situation.

 

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You got unlucky and it was also your fault . When you annexed China your beligerance goes up by heaps, which gives the US the gearing bonuses. As for Spain, I find its common for that to happen. Spain won't take gibralter in time and so UK reinforce with heaps of divisions. If the US is in the war then you get huge amounts of armour and Mech which Spain can't handle and Germany dies .

Italy is always hopeless so thats expected.

And why germany got DoW from USSR I'm guessing the AI didn't do the Molotov-ribonton(whatever it is) pact, and so SU declare war.

Anyway sounds like a awesome game . So your at war with US, UK and SU?

 

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... I didn't even get to join the Axis for some reason; I was stuck with that one puppet state you start with...

You could have banned Manchukuo from your alliance. Then, you could have joined Axis.

 

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You got unlucky and it was also your fault . When you annexed China your beligerance goes up by heaps, which gives the US the gearing bonuses. As for Spain, I find its common for that to happen. Spain won't take gibralter in time and so UK reinforce with heaps of divisions. If the US is in the war then you get huge amounts of armour and Mech which Spain can't handle and Germany dies .

Italy is always hopeless so thats expected.

And why germany got DoW from USSR I'm guessing the AI didn't do the Molotov-ribonton(whatever it is) pact, and so SU declare war.

Anyway sounds like a awesome game . So your at war with US, UK and SU?

I gave up when I was stopped cold (I know, I know...) in Siberia. After the USSR finished off Germany, they brought their full army to the east, and I was otherwise just a few weeks away from taking major provinces, including the one with like 40+ rares.

One thing that's very different with Japan, as opposed to Germany, is that surrounding units in the USSR far east is extremely difficult, due to province size. I overrated land power (including making 9 tanks, ugh...) and underestimated making bombers, and air bases. The hard terrain makes offensive land war (a tough idea vs USSR anyway, even with Chinese manpower) a bad idea. You need air power to do some real damage.

While Siberia was a stalemate, the US began quietly gobbling up Pacific islands, and I had no IC to make a new navy with (my existing one was full of obsolete crap, and I had neglected doctrines). I was also running out of precious oil, supplies, and even the primary resources. It was a lost cause at that point. I'll be back though.

If Germany could have held on for a bit longer (well, a few years, heh) things would have been different. I was simply shocked at how vicious the UK invasion was. I've never seen even a US invasion as fast and brutal as the British one. The US only entered when Germany was just about finished anyway, it was all the UK alone defeating Spain, Italy, and Germany, with the USSR taking up the Eastern Europe scraps. I've gotta play a UK game sometime.

You could have banned Manchukuo from your alliance. Then, you could have joined Axis.

Ah yes, but thinking back it would have only given me blueprints, which wouldn't have changed the big picture. I was already at war with the US and USSR, and joining Axis would get the UK at war with me. Maybe they were full of TC problems too after taking so much, but it would still have been too much to handle.

 

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By the way, manpower gains from China really seem to act funny at times. I remember getting about 1.7 in this latest game but sometimes it would be less, like 1.4 or something.

I always use the +10% manpower guy, and research the 1936 ag techs. Yet there is like a 20% variance in how much I should get, and I have no clue what does it.

 

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... Germany ... didn't make Vichy either...

The Vichy event will not fire if the USSR is already in the war.

 

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Simply becouse of the TC penalty, I always go for making China a puppet. I also give it back quite some provinces, so it gets above 80 IC. Then it can have 5 tech teams and give me some very useful techs. Besides fighting my wars on the Eurasian continent ofc