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We can add a Majapahit Nationalist to the list! Whoooooooiii!

he's not a nationalist, he's simply asking questions about an empire in his nation's past. He isn't being unreasonable simply asking questions. I hate how when people ask questions about their country's representation in any game they're a nationalist -.-
 
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Welcome again! The Emperor of Majapahit here, and I'd like to ask: How is the Asian front? More specifically, is there Glorious Majapahit in the game? As we all know, they were a very powerful nation in Southeast Asia, though, as my dad says, their historical greatness is obscured by historical absence. How about, instead of starting out like in EUIII, they should start out like in the Death and Taxes mod? As in, they start with many vassals, but those vassals are turning against Majapahit (and really just the Muslim peril that is dissolving Majapahit and making way for Mataram)? What about the other Asian nations? Are they practically the same as the previous game? Any new ones? Not asking lists, just asking generally.

it is safe to assume that south east asia is very similar to EU3, also it seems to me that majapahit was regional strength, in the same vain as a glorified Indian state, there are other more important non European nations that need development, chief among them are the native americans, in EU3 they served as nothing more but a bypass to the colonization range, they should be stronger (or the European colonial armies weaker) and they should play a bigger role in trade and westernization
 

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he's not a nationalist, he's simply asking questions about an empire in his nation's past. He isn't being unreasonable simply asking questions. I hate how when people ask questions about their country's representation in any game they're a nationalist -.-
No. He is the Emprah!
 

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What year does EUIV start in anyways? That can affect what nations and what stage they're in. After Gajah Mada's age, Majapahit should be slowly declining, maybe vassals being released through events or having a high probability of historically letting go from the Majapahit Empire. Also, the Aztecs were an alliance, right?

No. He is the Emprah!

Yes, I am :D
 

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The dreaded year 1444.
 

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SE Asia was very shamefully represented in EU3 and I expect it to be the same in EU4. I'm expecting the 'improved' India and China to still be very ahistorically weak, as well.
 

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SE Asia was very shamefully represented in EU3 and I expect it to be the same in EU4. I'm expecting the 'improved' India and China to still be very ahistorically weak, as well.
Well ... there goes my dreams of leading the Vietnamese people to glorious heights ... I'll just get crushed by Ming or someone from Europe. :sad:
Shame that they don't represent Asia as well as they could.
 

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Well ... there goes my dreams of leading the Vietnamese people to glorious heights ... I'll just get crushed by Ming or someone from Europe. :sad:
Shame that they don't represent Asia as well as they could.

you can "win," in EU3 at least, with literally anyone. It'll just be boring after 20 or so years and really flavorless, even after you westernize.
 

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I read something and it seems that EUIII was highly historically innacurate in depicting Majapahit. Majapahit should've owned most of Indonesia, in the 14th century it should've been struck in many civil wars, for instance in 1405 there should've been a pretender rebellion/rebel nation under Wirabumi in the east.

There's great potential for EUIV (or at least its expansions), and I have one idea. In the mid-1450s start of EUIV, Majapahit should probably be in great decline, with pretender rebellions in season, and Majapahit will be/is at war with Malacca. Majapahit should see Malacca and Sunda (which should occupy the usually-empty provinces west of Majapahit) as rivals at the start of the game, and Majapahit should have strained relations with its vassals. Maybe Majapahit could have automatic cores on most of Indonesia, or at least events that could give it cores, especially related to "Sumpah Palapa". (Then again, Gajah Mada has died decades before, so these cores don't count)

One of my ideas might look like this, though it's not historically accurate at all, so if anyone has researched this a little more, it would be great:
maj10.jpg

Black stripes indicate rebels, while colored outlines indicate cores of potential nations. Malacca is at war with Majapahit. The light-green nation is Sunda/Pajajaran, a new nation. By event, maybe Majapahit could disintegrate into colonizable territory if they've been defeated. Majapahit has its centralization/decentralization at max decentralization, to reflect the fact that it's mostly made up of vassals.

This is the mod I was talking about: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-events-for-the-Indonesia-and-Malaysia-region

Also, Majapahit's original flag was already pretty good, though you could always add 9 stripes like this
 
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Wait.. You are the direct descendent of Ken Arok, and the rightful ruler of Indonesia? :O

You should then put your name on this list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_pretenders

Durh... Ken Arok was wayyy before Majapahit. But yes, I could always go on the current list of pretenders...