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Good work yet again Mettermrck, was going to congratulate your success with 'Advantages...' yet again, but as I was going to do so remembered this AAR. Wee.

Personally, I prefer the historical sections, but I know a lot of people like the stories. Bit of something for everyone :D
 

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Great update, Mett. Remus' position is an awkward one and growing more so, as this continues. I'm guessing that Romulus definitely warrants a close watch, because he is beginning to see Remus as more of a threat than an asset. Not to mention, the more he can retain a personal guard away from the field army, the more bold the Emperor will get in defying Remus. Yep, our man should definitely keep an eye on those around him, or else he might quickly find a knife in his back :)
 

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The last couple of updates have done a good job of defining Romulus more. And also to describe just what a task Remus has ahead of him, much less what he has accomplished already. Well done.
 

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I think in the end Remus will HAVE to become Emperor/Imperator because Romulus will, like his ancestors of the past grow jealous of the successs of his general and try to do him in. Which will cause Remus to have no choice but to become Emperor just to save his own neck. But such is the life of a Roman general. Excellent update as usual Mett. Finally managed to get to it. It's taken me days to get the opportunity to read this in little dribbles and drabs and now I've done it and am glad I managed it.

I also think there is going to have to be a sneaky plan to get to Ravenna either by boat or using rafts to cross the swamps and make way into the city. Or using the aqueducts somehow. There should be some kind of aqueducts since it is surrounded by swamp and the people would want fresh water.
 

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Excellent AAR but I fail to understand of Romulus/Barbaria strategy. He is weak, lacks dignity and is badly considered as he does not have any power on his own. He needs Remus or he is done for. Remus troops are loyal to him, not to Romulus. Logical thing would be to please either Remus either his subordinates, not creating an imperial guard which lacks training, competent commanding officers, field experience and might create conlict with Remus army. Killing Remus is I believe not an option, for it will end the story and will turn Remus army against Romulus. Perhaps that's where Barbaria plot with Senelus used as an hostage might come in?

Introducing Zeno into the game of throne seems to me also a mistake as the emperor of the east probably doesn't think too highly of his western counterpart, removing Romulus wouldn't be too hard especially in such a climate of tension and betrayal. Zeno would then be the only legitimate heir to the title of imperator. Would Remus go for the crown and forego all his ideals by proclaiming himself emperor? That he needs to do to rule and save Rome, yet he might lose himself doing so.

By the way, Remus situation is also extremely complex and reminds me partly of Joan of Arc oddily (not the religious undertone but the military commander with an ideal: free France, free Rome). Remus is now tied to Romulus, both have a lot at stakes. If Remus loses in the north after an harsh winter, Odoacer wins all, since Remus is Romulus bodyguard. Moreover, a two front war with Odoacer and Zeno would be extremely risky considering the exhaustion of Italy and its struggling economy after so many years of civil wars.

I hope Remus proves to be a sound strategic commander, advised by Varic, the wise yet treacherous spy, who could very well open Ravenna's gates by the way.

Aaah so many questions.
 

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Intersting comparison with Joan of Arc. You could see Remus as being an advocate of the divinity of Roma herself, after all. Hopefully he won't be put to death for his convictions... Its also reminiscient of William Wallace, I should think. Perhaps a statue will one day stand of Remus, Saviour of Rome.

Say Mett, did you get those books yet? I just finished one, and must say its helped me out immensely as far as mundane topics, for example, trade networks, building construction, orders of different guildsmen in Rome. A must have if youre planning a novel one day. Its really been a treasure trove of information I can add for flavor in updates.

I just got a new one, too btw. "Cavaly of the Roman Republic". Little early for your tale, but its filled with juicy information on the orders of cavalry, tactics, equipment, beliefs and traditions that Im certain a cavalry officer like Remus would be delighted with.
 

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Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays everyone! I had to work today, but I have tomorrow off and then a couple days next week, so I'll try to do some writing then. Anyhow, I've been very gratified by the comments I'm reading and felt I owed it to you guys to join the discussion. ;)

Darks63: Thanks again, I'm glad it's holding up for ya.

SirCliveWolfe: This is the trick, for me, with Remus. I don't want him to seem hopelessly idealistic and naive (maybe a lost cause), but I want him to have hints of it (perhaps brought on by beliefs or just plain necessity and circumstance).

Draco Rexus: Well, Remus' penchant for loyalty and tradition reminds me of a lot of stories where the noble general hands over power to an evil tyrant (Livius and Commodus in Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, Titus Andronicus, etc.). I'm trying not to get too close to that stereotype. :)

Avernite: Ravenna is the jawbreaker of this game/story. Yes, I add events as the game goes on and I try to make them real and functional. Real cause and effect. I suppose something could be done with them when I finish.

TC Pilot: That's good then. I don't want Remus to be too perfectly naive. If you doubt his complete sincerity, then that's close to the impression I'm trying to aim for. I figure in the Apennines there might be freak snow in winter, even as far south as the Romagna region.

Vincent Julien: It's the situation where if Remus and them lose once, that's it, while Odoacer can afford many losses and still be threatening. Thus why it seems like Remus always wins, because if he loses, he's done for. Eventually it'll get to a point where Remus and them can lose without ending everything. Then I can bring in more struggle. :)

Midgardmetal: Good instincts. Yes, they can't afford to ignore Zeno, that might just upset him even more. So I guess they're trying to be proactive in fawning over Zeno, but keeping him at a distance. Good luck, hehe.

CatKnight: It's not unlikely. Of course the hows and the results are still spinning in my head, but I'm getting close to some good ideas.

Lord E: I did some reading on Ravenna and that place was nuts. The marsh and canals, the wall leading all the way to the coast. What a tough city.

Machiavellan: I think that's accurate. Don't forget, Zeno's had some troubles of his own, that I tried to mention earlier, especially the usurpation of Basilicus. His family's squabbled a lot, a lot of incessant revolts and intrigue which I really didn't bring in earlier. So Zeno has had some distractions. It's tough to communicate that in an Italo-centric story.

Ladislav: Well, now I'm blushing, hehe. I'm glad you like the mix of style. I'm still not sure if it's publishable in that kind of format or will it have to be straight drama.

Kan' Sharuminar: Oh, I can understand. I like them both. History is easier for me to come up with, I think, while the fiction brings the alternate history to life, which is why I wanted to make sure I had elements of that.

Charles II: Yeah, I'm hoping that the buildup of tensions between Romulus and Remus seems gradual enough and plausible. I don't want to seem too much like overnight...boing!...I hate this guy now. ;)

coz1: Great to hear! Remus is such a work in progress, as are most of the characters, that perhaps they become better as I write. Eventually, I might have to think about doubling back and ensuring that aspects of the characters are apparent earlier.

Amric: I confess I have no set idea on what to do about Ravenna. Treachery is an option, building a navy, rafts are a cool suggestion I hadn't even thought of, or just let Ravenna wither of disease over years. But yes I'm thinking along those lines. :)

mmtt: I love it so much when readers really present indepth comments on my work. It helps me to formulate the story in my own mind. You bring up some excellent points. In many ways, it seems to me like Remus is what is holding Romulus up. Remus' reverence for imperial tradition gives Romulus his opening to power. In turn, that could bite him. So I guess with the guard, Romulus is trying to form instutitions of his own that will protect him without coming to Remus. Hence the Church as well. Zeno, I think, can't be avoided. The East is just too overwhelming a shadow for Romulus to pretend isn't there. Which is why he's sending out this embassy. Zeno's been fighting the Persians in the game, his family and the Ostrogoths in history, plus the war against General Ovida in Dalmatia. There's a lot going on. I wish could bring it all in. :) The Joan of Arc idea is intriguing. I honestly hadn't thought of it. My biggest thing is keeping Remus away from Maximus. Varic, yes, I've thought of him with Ravenna. He's like the man who you don't want his help but you can't refuse it either.

Alhazen: I got 'As the Romans Did', which you're right, is a great sourcebook on all sorts of concepts. In addition to those two, I ordered a book on the Roman collapse which can clue me in to things I might be missing. A hint for the near future, I've been doing a lot of research on Byzantine court ceremonial and pre-Justinian Constantinople (no Hagia Sophia, for example).

Again, thanks all! I truly love to read and discuss the story with you. It makes me feel I'm doing something right. Again, Happy Holidays! :D
 

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It will be interresting to see how the game for the imperial throne will begin after the fall of Odoaecar. Romulus is emperor, he and his mother Barbaria would want to remove all obstacles, like Remus and Claudius. Remus is not emperor, and would not want to become one, unless he thought it's the only way to save Rome. And we shouldn't forget Claudius, his real intentions are still clouded, would not be surprised if he plan to become a new Ceasar himself.
 

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Perhaps they could hook around Ravenna and starve the populace out... however, perhaps appealing to Romanitas would create a fifth column
 

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”Is this for worship or audience?” Selenus whispered out of the side of his mouth, his curiosity overcoming his nerves. Even this meager attempt to mask his voice failed, the hint of the question echoing in the vast rotunda. He could hear the priest chanting softly and trailing incense behind them, the leather sandals reminded Selenus of the clop of hooves, slowly and deliberately.. Ahead, a second cleric, with golden garb, did the same, purifying their passage. So many questions raced through his mind as he stood there in the antechamber of the palace, awaiting the impending audience with Emperor Zeno. Everything was done so deliberately here, from the steps a visitor took, to the exchanged words, even to who was present, from the pairs of hard Silentiarii and Palatinii glaring at them to the priests with their cleansing ritual. Would it take days merely to see the Emperor? Romulus himself did not have such complicated forms. It only made the waiting worse.

The rain clattered off the marble facade outside, splashing playfully off golden doors and proud statues of imperial predecessors. It was if a million fingers tapped impatiently on the walls, echoing through the austere foyer. Around them, in recesses dotting the circular chamber, more statuary stood impassive, imposing by sheer height alone. The sights and sounds made him nervous and his glances were darting, taking in the shadows which even the braziers had trouble overcoming.

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From the views he had had on their short journey from ship to palace, Constantinople was everything Rome was not. It had similar architecture, naturally, and far fewer buildings than Rome, yet these were all immaculate, in perfect care and arrangement. These were no hints at a great imperial past, rather these were pronouncements of a glorious imperial present! The marble edifices on the twin hills were grand and elegant, proclaiming the survival, indeed thriving, of the East while the West declined.

There was little doubt, however, that their reception lacked the imperial grandeur Romulus might have hoped for. Their vessel had been met in the Propontis by two imposing war galleys which had steered them steadily, if menacingly, into one of the small harbors on the southern flank of the peninsula. It reminded him of Ostia, this artificial harbor, literally carved out of the landscape, another of Theodosius’ attempts to ease access into the capital. Their escort had met them on the docks, approximately fifty soldiers, Selenus judged. With their thick woolen overcoats draped over plain brown tunics, they were clearly decked out for a night’s garrison duty on the coastal walls and not for diplomatic show. Indeed, after a brief greeting, their captain, a bored Hyparchos named Astikole, had briskly moved them along into the city proper. ”Ah, the party from Italia. This way,” he had curtly announced in sharp Greek as Selenus, Markus, Addiaea, and Lucius filed off their ship. The wave of his hand brooked no questions and they had meekly followed, wondering if the Emperor was moving them straight into confinement.

Even as the soldiers quickly marched them through the city, the sights of a flourishing imperial capital, even when rained upon, lifted their spirits. Selenus was impressed by the sheer width of the main artery cutting through the city, the Mese. This was a Roman road in its prime, he marveled, not the decaying, overused roadways at home. A steady drizzle hampered their movements, making their robes cling and obstruct their legs as they walked. Few of the city’s residents came out to watch, rain-soaked escorts being unremarkable in strategic city such as the one they had the privilege to reside in. Every nation on earth, it seemed, sent diplomats and merchants to the Great City of Constantine, and this shabby, rain-soaked quartet was hardly distinguishable from any other arrivals, east or west.

Constantinople was a peninsula with its tip facing east, gradually widening to the west, where it was protected by two sets of imperial walls, the 4th century defenses built by Constantine and the much more formidable set of double-walls and moats constructed by Theodosius in the early 5th century. Neither of these did the embassy see in the gloomy overcast, having landed within the heart of the city proper. The Mese cut through the city with forked precision, the base of it running from the Philadelphion crossroads east to the palaces and churches of the old city. Along the fork they were on, which ran northeast from the Golden Gate to the Philadelphion, they were treated to close inspection of the various forums lining the passage, from the Forum Arcadius to the Forum Bovis. There were economic and political gathering-points for city magistrates, wealthy merchants, and the fawning visitor. With each building they passed, the scale and ornate design seemed to magnify, a dramatic indication at how deeper they moved into the city. They swept past the Forum of Theodosius, the Forum of Constantine with its triumphal arch and porticoes, to the wide open Augusteum, inviting the visitor onward to even grander sights. The Hippodrome stood proudly, a mere quarter of the size of the Circus Maximus, and yet home to exciting races between the city’s four premier chariot teams. Julian’s curia stood to the south, where the Senate sat. On the eastern side was the proud column from which all imperial roads were measured – the Milion.

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Finally, there were the reminders of the city’s religious heritage - the small Church of the Holy Wisdom (Hagia Sophia) built by Theodosius, overshadowed by the somewhat larger Hagia Irene, where Bishop Acacius held forth. Acacius’ own ostentatious residence, the Patriarcheion sat nearby.

Now at last, as they were guided past the palace walls into the grand entrance, the Chalke, did Selenus begin to realize that their long walk through the city was not merely to minimize their importance, but to overawe them with Constantinople’s greatness. Even rain could not prevent that and this had led to the nervous moments in the Great Palace, where they stood awaiting Zeno’s pleasure.
 
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I don't know about Selenus and his companions, but I know I am impressed!
 

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That sounds like one impressive city, really impressive Mett. I wonder how Zeno will welcome our Roman guest, looking forward to seeing the next update :)
 

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yep, great update as always Mett. Great description of Byzantium, as everyone says. What are you using for sources? I think of Zeno as being too cool and aloof to treat with the likes of these. He wields true imperial authority, not pretend power.
 

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Zeno is placed squarely on the most important spot in the fate of Italia. Should he stay with his barbarian puppet, Remus may find himself in a difficult position politically. But Zeno could just as easily go the other way, and openly support Remus' cause. Maybe even sending an army or two, which would put Italia under Remus in a position of gratitude towards the East, effectively allowing Zeno to dominate them.

Support him or not, Zeno still determines the fate of the West.
 

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Hmm, great description of Constantinople indeed ;)

Seems like Zeno really does see the Western Empire as little more than an idea in the minds of some, instead of theoretically being his equal. And I suppose he's right ;)