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Right. Background skinny is: I'm still a bit of a newbie, and this was my fifth attempt at a game with England in the GC. I spent some time reading a few threads on the forum for advice on how best to play England and then, armed with my store of borrowed knowledge, I set out to stamp my mark on European History. Here's how it went (I've left out diplomatic developments, research and so forth as it's not particularly relevant in this case, but left in the Reconquista, because the Moors nearly won...):


The War of Scottish 'Annexation', January 1492 - December 1494

January 1492

Deciding that the time has come to once and forever remove the Scots menace from our northern border, and having met in secret council with like-minded strategists, I manage to persuade his Majesty Henry VII that the best way of achieving our goal is to strike hard, strike fast. And so, we commence preparations for an invasion of Scotland. 8,000 infantry are commissioned to join Norfolk's army in the Marches and the Anglian army under Elsmere embarks onto the channel fleet off East Anglian coast.

[Overseas: 17,000 Moorish warriors assault Cadiz, but a 40,000 strong relieving force is on its way south from the Spanish capital to intercept them.]


February 1492

8,000 fresh recruits arrive to swell the ranks of Norfolk's army. The Scots are surely doomed...

Elsmere takes ship for Meath and the assault on Scotland. Norfolk bides his time, waiting until the Home Fleet is in place off the coast of the Marches.


March 1492

[Overseas: Spain becomes embroiled in a protracted siege and fails to take control of Granada. Instead, a small Moorish force of 5,000 foot invades Murcia and wrests control from our Catholic allies.]


April 1492

[Overseas: The Moorish force that took Murcia marches to assist in the siege of Cadiz. Now 22,000 heathens stand at the gates.]


July 1492

The 10th of July 1492, a day that the sons of the English nobility will forever remember as the start of the War of Scottish Annexation.

The invasion of Scotland commences. Norfolk (17,834 / 1,967) immediately Assaults the Grampians' capital at Aberdeen whilst Elsmere (4,715 / 1,943) lays siege to Inverness in the Highlands.

The oh-so predictable Scots march south, never thinking to guard their hairy rears.

[Overseas: Two small (7,000 each) Spanish armies force march southwards in a desperate attempt to turn the Moorish war.]


August 1492

The Grampians fall to Norfolk, although Elsmere's smaller force fails to take the Highlands. Elsmere regroups in the English-controlled Grampian whilsts Norfolk marches on Edinburgh.

Scotland offers a white peace, which we laughingly reject. Do these oatmeal-munchers take us for fools?

[Overseas: The Moors in Andalusia fight off the Spanish relief force but at heavy cost (some 17,000 heathens slain).]


September 1492

Edinburgh falls on September 16th after a two-week assault. Norfolk's men reached breaking point and we lost some 2,500 men and 500 horse. The army needs to regain its strength, but the Scots army has already turned back north...

Reorganisation is called for. Elsmere is ordered to send his remaining cavalry south whilt 3,000 of Norfolk's men are despatched to renew the attack on the Highlands.


October 1492

Norfolk is reinforced by a 2,000 strong Lancastrian infantry levy, and the Scots army continues its march through Strathclyde to attack Elsmere's much smaller force in the Grampians.

[Overseas: A new Spanish force, raised in Gibraltar, marches north, whilst the Moors, having abandoned the siege of Cadiz, seek to tighten their grip on Murcia.]


November 1492

Elsmere's 6,882 troops march on the highlands but are caught and attacked by 20,000/5,000 Scots under James IV. The Scots' morale, weakened by the long march north, shatters and 24,000 men retreat to the Highlands.

The Scots try to pre-empt their inevitable defeat by offering us the Grampians. Again, we laugh in their tartan faces.


December 1492

Norfolk arrives in Strathclyde and lays siege. With winter closing in, Norfolk decides to leave a force under Upton (4,881/1,112) to reduce Glasgow whilst he takes the remainder of the army (9,411/2,141) to reinforce Elsmere in the Grampians, hoping James IV will be foolish enoguh to turn straight back and attack them again.

[Overseas: The Spanish relief force reaches Andalusia. 2,000 men are left to guard the city whilst 5,000 march on...]


January 1493

Norfolk decides that rather than allow James IV to dig in and launch a Spring Campaign, he will take the initiative and strike while the iron is hot. On the 28th January, he attacks the Scots army.


February 1493

In a titanic 6 day confrontation, the Scots are finally routed. Their King once more tries to buy us off with the Grampians, but again he is denied. Norfolk immediately Assaults Inverness and the town falls to the victorious English on the 26th and then Elsmere immediately marches south to finish Glasgow.


March 1493

The cowardly James IV lays siege to Aberdeen but is attacked and once again routed by the valiant Norfolk, but Englsih losses are mounting.

Upton lifts the siege of Strathclyde and marches north to reinforce Norfolk. It is time to finish the Scots once and for all.


April 1493

Norfolk suffers his first defeat, the Highlands once again proving to be his downfall. His much-reduced army is sent back to the Grampians. A force of 5,000 foot and 2,000 cavalry is levied in the Marches to provide much-needed reinforcements.


May 1493

Norfolk arrives in the Grampians only to find another force of 8,500 freshly-recruited Scots, under MacGill, waiting for him. Once again he is beaten, and turns tail for Edinburgh.


June 1493

The Scots offer the Highlands and The Grampians in exchange for peace, but what use to us are two remote mountainous provinces full of rebellious clansmen? their offer is refused and so their army under MacGill Assaults Aberdeen, whilst Norfolk can only watch from Edinburgh.


July 1493

MacGill's assault is repulsed. A wary stalemate ensues.

[Overseas: 21,000 Spanish soldiers march on Granada and the Moorish capital falls. For some bizarre reason the 10,000 Moors in Murcia don't lift a finger to help...]


August 1493

A new Scots army is being raised in Glasgow, and MacGill once again assaults Aberdeen with 8,848 foot. On the 22nd the town falls and MacGill and James IV both turn south.

[Overseas: Granada capitulates and is annexed by Spain. The Reconquista is over.]


September 1493

In a bold move designed to prevent the swelling of the Scots' ranks even further, Norfolk marches with his 7,143/838 on Strathclyde, there to be met by Pembroke's 3,950/1,990 Army of the Marches. It is a severe miscalculation and one for which Norfolk risks losing his head.

McGill's southward-bound forces were not heading to beseige Edinburgh after all, and battle is joined outside Glasgow. The result balances on a knife edge until the Earl Douglas' 10,000 Glaswegian recruits suddenly flood forth in time to turn the tide of battle.


October 1493

Norfolk is sent packing back to the Marches to face his liege's displeasure. Ironically, Scotland offers the Highlands in exchange for peace, but considering the likelihood of rebellion and the poor support offered by this inhospitable wilderness, we decline.


November 1493

Drunk on victory, 8,000 Scots under James IV pursue their beaten foe into the Marches, but dredging up the last reserves of their courage, Norfolks's 8,500 survivors fight them off and send them packing back to Glasgow.


December 1493

James IV winters in Glasgow with his combined force of 23,500. Anoher 6,000 Scots infantry are levied in the Grampians. Norfolk's 8,701/2,351 must hold until the Spring against a potential combined force of 29,500. Eep.


January 1494

Tax income 153d. Almost all is spent on Marches levies (5,000/2,000). We also take the emergency step of a 200d bank loan, which results in a further levy of 5,000/1,000 Lancastrians and 3,000/2,000 Yorkshiremen, to reinforce Norfolk and prevent disaster.

Another 10,000 men swell James' ranks to 32,000 and he marches to Lothian. The 6,000 Grampians levies join him, and soon 38,500 Scotsmen beseige Edinburgh...


April 1494

The siege of Edinburgh town continues. Norfolk's recruits arrive and the relieving forces from the Shires march north.


May 1494

Norfolk now has 21,701/8,351 men at his command, but the ast majority are raw recruits and morale is weak. James IV is reinforced by a further 6,000 Grampian infantry. Norfolk plays the waiting game and prays for the siege to continue.


June 1494

There are now over 42,000 Scotsmen beseiging Edinburgh. How long should Norfolk wait? Should he trust to attrition to set in and weaken the Scots or risk an attack to relieve the garrison. Does he have enough men to carry the war and win the day?


July 1494

Attrition is indeed taking its toll, as over 4,000 Scots casualties will attest. Norfolk decides to wait until September to launch his counter-attack, drive the Scots back into the Highlands and let the harsh winter do the rest.


August 1494

Another 1,200 Scots lie dead of disease and malnourishment, yet still James IV reinforces his siege, bringing another 6,000 men into Lothian and swelling his army back to 43,500. Norfolk waits. Perhaps a Spring 1495 Campaign after all?


September 1494

Norfolk's hand is forced. Another 3,500 Scots dies of attrition, but Edinburgh falls. James IV splits his forces, marching some 9,000 men north. Norfolk, his pride stung by the Scottish re-capture of nearly all his previous gains, attacks...


October 1494

Disaster. Norfolk's 21,451/8,301 meet James IV's 32,899/5,594 on Lothian's fields. At first Norfolk carries the day, but superior numbers quickly tell, and the english are routed. Over 15,000 Englishmen die on that foreign field, barely 9,500 of the original 30,000 returning to the Marches.


November 1494

Once again, James pursues his vanquished foe into the Marches, only to be repulsed in bloody battle despite outnumbering Norfolk 2:1.


December 1494 onwards...

Scotland continues to raid ineffectually against the Marches, which Norfolk holds without problem. A siege of the Highlands is called off for no apparent reason... until the Scots army invades Ireland, taking Ulster and Connaught.

The next time the Scots ambassador meets with Henry VII, it is he who is making demands - reparitions plus half of Ireland... and the English are no longer laughing...


In conclusion:

Oops. Arse well and truly kicked there, but I learnt a lot. In short, don't attack the Scots in their home territory unless you're sure of a swift victory, and don't let the war drag on into more than one Scottish winter.

As an addendum, I'd like to point out that I re-played the game this morning, and this time waited until 1493 to attack, raising an additional 15,000 / 5,000 before I did so. This time, a series of lightning assaults and some fancy footwork to avoid the bulk of the Scottish troops resulted in a six-month campaign to subdue the whole of Scotland and a swift annexation by March 1494. Much better.
 

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That is pretty funny. Thanks for showing us all how NOT to do it!

When I play England I go with a different tactic and refrain from attacking Scotland at all. I find that their provinces are not rich enough to take the big badboy and diplomatic hit that annexing them brings. Therefore, I generally try to become close to them and eventually diplomatically annex them, but not until later in the game.
 

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To be honest, this was more of an experiment to help me get the hang of the combat system a little better than previously. I even discovered afterwards that I'd inadvertently run the game with the AI's aggressiveness set to 'cowardly', just to compound my humiliation. LOL.

I didn't run the scenario for long enough to see whether the bad boy rating would cause long-term problems, but as Scotland didn't have any allies at the time and I wasn't planning on invading France immediately aftwerwards I figured I would have been left alone to do the colonial thang for a good half-century or so...

I'm starting a new 1.08 game tonight, probably as England again. I like to play pro-actively rather than wait for trade to build, so I'll probably have another go at Scotland and then establish a colonial presence in the Caribbean and try to build a lasting alliance - vassal - annexation strategy with some of the north German states to give me a continental platform of operations.

But then, what do I know, I'm still a newbie... ;0)
 

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When I played England I attacked them spring 1493 and took all there provinces within a year. Instead of annexing them I demanded three provinces and all there money (they accepted). My badboy value didn´t go up much, nobody disliked me as I had not annexed them and the scots with only one province didn´t bother me for many years.
 

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How did that work? Did you have to let them keep Lothian seeing as Edinburgh is their capital, or did you manage to restrict them to the Highlands? I think the Highlands only has a support value of about 8, so there really shouldn't ever be a problem if you can restrict the clans to the far north...
 

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Ariel:

I think we've all had games like this; you are the first honest one to post it on the site, however. I have played about four times before I felt like I was good enough to start an AAR...
I enjoyed it; keep up the 'new' AAR...

Ciao,

Paul
 

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Part I of new AAR going up tomorrow, all being well. I'm playing England in the standard GC with patch 1.08, but doing things... differently.

I think you may well be in for a surprise or two...
 

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Great Idea!

Ariel,

Great idea to share what my experiences have been like so far! ;-)

Fun reading...thanks!

EWA
 

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Morning Mr Fawlty and thank you for your comments. I'm doing much better in my latest game (See 'An English AAR GC 1.08 Something a little different' for details)

Whatever you do, don't neglect to read the FAQ forum and follow the links to the two main ones. They'll save you hours of frustration and annoyance if the US manual is anything like as uninformative (gameplay-wise) as the UK version...
 

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What about the French?

Ahhh... isn't it glorious to see the English and Scots doing what they love to do... slaughtering each other.

I only got my copy of EU yesterday... so I haven't tried any British fratricide since my last beta version expired last year :(

At the time I remember that attacking Scotland always annoyed the French who would sneeze on my English army at Calais and rapidly incorporate it into their Empire. How are you dealing with this French threat?

For a change of pace try playing Scotland as a major power and annexing England. See the 'Scotland the Brave' After Action Report on this website.

/Graham
 

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I think it's diffently worth annexing scotland I know i had to wait till 1504 to take them cause they were in a huge alliance with spain and other countries and i waited till there allaince expired ( I'm a cheap bastard and did that to other numerous countries) right now i'm in 1698 in my 3rd game ( first 2 sweden adn Genoa, really screwd up bad with Genoa) my next i'll right an aar but in this one I've carved out a huge HRE like nation in additong to enggland and Scotland, from Holstein to Milan. Plus i kicked the portugese out of brasil, conquered the incas and control all of northamaerica except for one dutch conlony in florida. Next Stop complete control of the italian mainland . Also annexing scotland really punished me pretty bad cause when i converted to protestant my realations were already very low and everyone declared war on me I was lucky managed to get out of the war by only giving up St Helena and Ferdinda Po to the spainsh plus cahs while I took a french quebec conoly ( in an earlier war the french took calais in case your wondering why I didn't lose it).
 

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Please excuse the vanity on my part, but I wanted to 'up' this one for old times' sake. Several people have mentioned that they find my 'something different' thread to be a good learning aid, and I thought this story might still be relevant in the same circumstances... :)
 

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Not again!

I tried before this, and I crushed in one year. In end, Scottish armies was near York (it was already occupied). We cede The Marches, Yorkshire and Ulster. Those Scots are Demons! And looks like I am not the only who defated by Celtic people...
After this, I tried as Scotland and beated those English in 4 wars. Now I had all their provincies in Europe expect Irealand (indepdent expect Ulster) and Anglia.
 
That's nothing, in my first GC as England, I lost two Irish provinces to the Scots early on in the game. I then had Algerians landing in Munster before peace was agreed with France and the Poles jumped in instead.

Well and truly spanked I was. I even managed to lose an inherited Brandenburg to the locals.
 

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Playing England, I have also been badly beaten when trying to go after the Scots early. Had more success when I went after the French at the beginning instead. Scotland was in the same alliance as England (with Spain as leader, Milan ......), so they left me alone even though from 1495 onwards I had no soldiers north of Anglia. In that time, I buttered them and eventually vassalized and then diplo-annexed in 1543.
Got two nice armies (totalling around 30k), a refinery and a navy of 12 warships and 3 transports. The fleet was then duly used to ferry the troops over to Flanders to give the French another good thrashing (in two earlier wars, I had taken Picardy, Caux, Normandy and Brittany, with our Spainish friends taking Champagne and Lorraine).
 

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Someone asked for a How Not To AAR, and this is the classic. Since we are all Ariel-starved right now, I will be forgiving for bringing this back up for the fond memories and the benefit of newbies. :)