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By choice. My test runs 2-3 sessions ago, the AI would always form Shan within a few months, so she's definitely able to form it if she wants to.

Fair enough. There wouldn't be any real advantage to it now anyway, she already owns all of the claims it grants.
 

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Shame for Meneth and Jake but an end was going to come this week. Either to Starnan or to Jake/Meneth. Hopefully Jake gets his revenge on Ihki for the grand betrayal. But Ihki is also comfortable behind a thousand kilometres of lackeys so maybe next DLC cycle can be Jake's revenge.

where am I in all of this? :(
 

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The Inca proclaim that the great Sapa Inka Túpac Amaru I Hanan found the foreign, hostile "Europans" to encroach upon Incan shores, and so joined the mighty nation of Brunei in fighting the invaders. In this provoked war of self-defense, gold-decorated Incan armies, shining brilliantly in the Caribbean sun like the glorious Inti Himself, swept over the Europan 'colonies', and Incan Sea-Llamas followed their Bruneian counterparts to the very shores of Europa. This land looks mysterious and foreign, and yet the strangely-flat land seems arable and fertile. No jungles have yet been observed.

The little resistance that was encountered was swept aside as our troops fired their golden ammunition at the enemy. In battle, a strange occurrence was observed; after firing a volley with our musketeers, the surviving British troops seemed distracted. They broke ranks, swarming over their fallen comrades, grasping our ammunition from the ground and even fighting amongst themselves to gather up more golden rounds than their comrades... Perhaps we can use this to our advantage in future battles.

Regardless, the Europans do not seem to be as powerful as they claim. More evidence of this is appearing through our equally-defensive war with the encroaching Aragonese. It may well be time to begin contemplating sending an expedition to seek the Sun God Apu Punchau in the far-away land of Europa, where the Son of Viracocha rises each morning. To this end, Saka Inka Túpac Amaru I Hanan has gathered his leading Generals and Sea-Generals, so that they might formulate a plan of action...

Inca Army.jpg


Furthermore, Queen Cavillaca Hanan was wed off to the Dai Viet Chinese Emperor, and was the first Inca to set foot on foreign shores. Unfortunately, her health quickly deteriorated, and she succumbed to Asian diseases within the year. We will take our lessons from this event.
 
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China could be interesting next week, I did miss last night's diplomatic beers too, which I might regret.

To paint the picture though,

  • Uesgui is allies with Yamana and Ayutthaya
  • Yamana is allies with Uesugi and Korea
  • Korea is allies with Yamana
  • Dai Viet is allies with Inca and Brunei
  • Mong Yang is allies with Ayutthaya and Gujarat
  • Ayutthaya is allies with Mong Yang and Uesugi
  • Brunei is allies with France, Inca, Dai Viet, Pasai and Majapahit
Obviously, Dai Viet has a few tributaries in there as well.

I think that Wiz leaving has affected the status quo of the region, if someone was to betray their alliance, then China would surely go up in flames.
 

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I forgot to ask: Could someone enlighten us about the diplomatic shenanigans regarding India? What did Jake promise for the help last time, and why did Dai Viet & Co decide to switch sides this time?
I honestly don't know.
Their support last time was unconditional. Originally, Ayutthaya was supposed to get some land in India, but decided before the start of the session not to.
As far as I knew when the session started we were up alone against the South Indians, who were also alone. Roughly a fair fight, somewhat in the South Indians' advantage.

My guess is that they decided to support the South Indians because that way they could get land from us, and especially Mong Yang's victory card on me.
 

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India was wrecked for too long to present a challenge at this point
The Indian players before the war could raise nearly 200k troops between them. India is far from weak. A united India would likely be stronger than Dai Viet + Mong Yang + Ayutthaya. Luckily for they did grab some rather nice Bengali land, so that limits the Indians some.
 

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Well, the war is India was entertaining but the lands to the west are starting to become a bit too powerful with free rein over southern Europe. So the Island Alliance with the help of our land friends decided that it's was time to break the constant war in India (that we also created by helping both sides) to create a Indian counterweight to the western powers. After promises from the Indian players never to expand east it was decided, we pulled some strings and made sure they won.

As easy as stealing candy from a baby.
 

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I forgot to ask: Could someone enlighten us about the diplomatic shenanigans regarding India? What did Jake promise for the help last time, and why did Dai Viet & Co decide to switch sides this time?

The SEA wasn't really happy with the 0 things they got from their wars with Jake, and I made them a deal where they would gain from joining our side. Easy as that :)
 

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After promises from the Indian players never to expand east it was decided, we pulled some strings and made sure they won.
Of course, you already had that promise from me and Jaunpur, but I guess that just wasn't good enough :p

The SEA wasn't really happy with the 0 things they got from their wars with Jake
Then they should've actually asked for land. The only party the session last week that wanted anything decided they didn't want that stuff after all.
Rather difficult to give stuff to people who don't seem to actually want anything.
 

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Of course, you already had that promise from me and Jaunpur, but I guess that just wasn't good enough :p

Are you saying you got killed by the same people despite making -exactly- the same promises to them that I made back in Bahmanis? How amusing and poetic... :)
 

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e.g. having an Inka-level cash flow and force limit is useless if your 200k mercenaries die after the first fire phase against a british colony :p

*Has visions of an alternate history where the glorious Inca Empire, with its hundreds of thousands of troops, had already fallen to only 180 Spanish conquistadores over 40 years before the current date...*
 

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Tunis is notorious for developing the crap out of their provinces when they're getting reduced. They probably still had around 70 total dev (something I wish they would have checked, by the way!).
Looking at the save, it appears Tunis had 68 dev. 40 of that in the province of Tunis itself.
 

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I still don't quite understand what happened to @Gnivom 's Nogai- he seemed to be in such a strong position at the end of last session, and just got hammered without any non-AI country playing a role?! Nogai didn't seem particularly weak internally ...
I had an awfully bad ruler for most of the session, and waiting for Printing Press I spent too much of my power on ideas instead. My huge amount of rebels and the fact that ottomans attacked me prevented me from expanding enough, causing my Horde Unity to go down (it ticks down with like 4.5 per year). Then I declared war on Sweden. Two mil tech behind and with discipline penalty from low Horde Hunity, that was a clear mistake. I think I will come out of this fairly well though, and I'll soon have Printing Press, allowing me to tech up twice in each category immediately.
 

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The people of Mong Yang had for a long time good relations with their neighbor to the west and it was with great joy we heard that their diplomats had approached the Emperor. Bengal was burning from the constant strife and they were seeking our protection. In return they presented themselves as a potential future Tributary.
To protect our future Brother the enlightened people of Ayutthaya spent their gold on soldiers instead of knowledge. The shy and humble people of Mong Yang left their mountains and started to practice warfare in the lowlands. The Emperor turned his eyes away from the lands belonging to the False Emperor and his followers.

We did not ask for anything in the war, since the diplomats of Bengal had already insinuated that they would be giving us something far greater than the charred and devastated land in India.
The war was long and our people bled. And when it was over the diplomats of Bengal no longer talked about becoming a Tributary. We realize that we did not sign a contract, but from the situation we never would have thought such a thing were needed.
 

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Just a reminder that there won't be any MP session this week due to people being at GDC. We're still planning on having a stream, but it will be something else this time.

The MP continues next Tuesday, the 7th of March!
 

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Secondly: the erratic commenting on what's going here and there in the world with hastily switching between map-modes and nations was also painful. One example: when Daniel/Brunei went to France's aid (not that they needed it) to conquer Aragon it was clear that all provinces were under French occupation (Daniel's troops clearly landed after France occupied Iberia).
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Sorry but you are wrong here. I occupied all provinces and gave the occupation of a couple provinces to France (the ones they had as a interest).

But the French AI decided to releasing a nation and taking some land for themselves instead of giving me any but it granted me 40 favors, which 10 of those I used when I attacked Great Britain.
 

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Well, StarNaN had a deal with the Indochinese for Bengali land. He would not have been able to fulfil this deal without losing ~2 techs worth of DIP points to bring down the war exhaustion :eek:
Winner of the Indian wars: Mong "highland empire" Yang + Dai "the world is my tributary" Viet + Pasai "I colonised the Cape, not Vijay :p"

He didn't bring down WE with dip, we killed all the rebels :3 And I'm happy for Pasai that they got the cape as the thunderdome stopped me from such aspirations.