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Chapter XXII

The Curious Death of Duke Thomas​

The political civil war, so to speak, between the conflict of interests of the upper echelon of Roman society had long captivated the interests of fellow Roman historians, from the likes of Edward Gibbon and J.B. Bury in their respective works. After all, this political confrontation marks the last attempt by a Roman emperor to bring a medieval society and state infrastructure into the emerging modern world and remain part of the Western progressive tradition, which John no doubt saw himself as embodying and representing.

The back and forth banter, and political maneuvering is fitting of the definition of being called “byzantine.” Indeed, the shifting alliances of the lowest rungs of the Greek nobility constantly shifted the political capital of emperor John or the various nobles he was attempting to constrain. After Duke Thomas’ embarrassment of the emperor by refusing the customary triumphal entry on what was both a state (as tradition dictated) and personal (real purpose) visit to Athens, the emperor would not tread lightly on this blatant breach of civic protocol. In place of Duke Thomas, John hoped to stack the higher nobility in his favor, and in particular, to allow for the opening of the imperial treasury to Italian capitalists to found the Imperial Bank of Constantinople.[1]

In a befitting scene of byzantine intrigue, and betrayal, the emperor had invited Duke Thomas a private feast on the outskirts of the city in an old, but currently being reconstructed, church, which was serving as the emperor’s watching eyes and de-facto “palace” outside of Constantinople. When the Duke accepted, out of the norms of the day--for no noble should, let alone could, refuse their titular emperor. When he arrived, in the final writings of Evagrius concerning his unfinished manuscript detailing the reign of John, Thomas was assassinated by men, presumably hired by the emperor.

“...the duke never made it to the dinner. A day after the event was to occur, the emperor and his party found the body of the duke strewn in the Ilisos.”

Of course, for us modern historians, this account of explanation by Evagrius is doubtful, since he was personally employed and a follower, and by all accounts, a close friend of the emperor. More likely, Duke Thomas was assassinated, likely strangled to death, possibly by dried horse hide, or some other nefarious means, then conveniently dumped into the river and found, almost immediately, and the death was promptly seen as “drowning.” These events had happened before, and most notoriously, when the 14 year old Emperor Alexios II was strangled in a chapel by a bowstring that paved the way for the usurpation of Andronikus I. As with Thomas, the young emperor’s death was blamed as an accidental drowning. The mirroring of the two incidents are more than more coincidence for anyone thinking, let alone analyzing, with rationality.

The death of Thomas, anyway, led to the succession of his 13 year old son, Manuel, who was essentially coerced to be a pawn of the emperor as his court, advisers, and followers were all closely associated with the emperor. In addition, the Skanderbeg line of rulers, the despotates of Albania, were easily purchased with the promise of wealth and land to support the reforms of the emperor. Of course, this was not all well, especially in the east and in Morea.


A mosaic of the Greek Renaissance, depicting Greco-Roman nobles during the sixteenth century. This mosaic, when discovered, was affectionately named, "Twilight of the Nobility."

Andronikus, Great Domestic of the Morea, Marches on Athens

The Great Domestic, Andronikus, who held the loyalty of 9,000 soldiers garrisoned in Greece, and the Komnenoi Family in Trebizond, vehemently opposed all efforts of centralization. The Komnenoi, still bitter over family lineage, considered themselves to be the rightful emperors of Constantinople despite the fact that the Palaiologoi had led the charge from Nicaea to retake Constantinople as they sheltered themselves inside the halls and walls of Trebizond. Via the good graces of Emperor John VIII, the Komnenoi were once again properly associated with the empire that once bore their line, and although wielding near absolute power in the east, were nonetheless, not emperors in their own right. Likewise, Androninkus, although a relative of the emperor, as was custom to try and retain some sense of loyalty to the emperor--as was the case with Constantine XI being the Great Domestic and chief of the army under John VIII--had little appetite to see his power and wealth be diminished in favor of his second brother.

Additionally, the pawn of the Komnenoi in Trebizond, Demetrius of Armenia, formed a new triumvirate in opposition to the emperor, while John himself, George III Skanderbeg, and, symbolically, the coerced Manuel of Athens as the antithesis triumvirate pushing for reform and centralization. The lack of ability to extend permanent reach in the east, partially because of the control of Asia Minor by the Turks, truly did prevent John from being able to centralize the east. In fact, his reach was minimal, and only the state-funded missionary efforts were about as far reaching the power that the emperor had to wield in the east when sheltered under the confines of the walls and palaces of Constantinople. Only under campaigns did the emperor have any direct influence over the directions of the eastern-most provinces.

In Morea, however, the reach of the emperor was more permanent. Macedonia and Lower Greece had been the beneficiary of the emperor’s early centralization efforts that targeted the rebuilding of local infrastructure and a genuine attempt at improving the general welfare of his subjects. However, the Morea had become the stronghold of the Roman military outside of Constantinople. And ever since the Roman disaster at the hands of Hannibal at Cannae, in which the surviving veterans of the battle were exiled to Sicily, which is the beginning of the shift of military loyalties in Roman history, the soldiers in the Morea had a fond attachment to the Great Domestic more than the “far-away” king beside the Golden Horn.

To make his display of power known, Andronikus marched on Athens on what was described as “routine military training”, although all observers of the modern day understand why the march was undertaken. To hedge the efforts of John from extending his reach south of Athens. John, of course, not wanting to risk outright civil war, listened and understood the threat. In retaliation, he invited Italian bankers into Constantinople to establish the Imperial Bank. He also unsheltered the navy, and blockaded the southern ports of the Morea, and directed trans-Mediterranean trade away from the fortified city of Mystras, the military capital of the Morea, and a center of trade in the Peloponnese.

Needless to say, this move was a form of economic diplomacy. It did not hurt the empire since the trade was directed back to Constantinople, but it had the splitting effect of who it benefitted. The move created a greater sense of importance and power to Constantinople, and, helped to centralize the imperial authority as a result. So, John and the people of Constantinople benefitted from this political civil war, so to speak, instead of Andronikus and the people of the Peloponnese.




[1]This reflects my idea progress, in Administration, the Economics group, under which I advanced to National Bank at this point in the game.
 
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Hm, just when I was about to post you post your filler. Well, I don't think that learning languages is that bad. Ansonsten könntest du zum Beispiel dies nicht verstehen, nicht wahr, mein Freund? Although I have to admit - having to learn new languages (Latin) first and thus prolonging my studies even more made me reconsider changing my Math studies to study teaching (Math/History) instead.
And If I had more language proficiency I would study many more languages, to be able to communicate with the whole world! Japanese or Arabic, for example. Alas, I am not good enough.

If I understand your update right, 9000 men of Morea have Military Access through your vassal Athens (which you didn't integrate) and marched on it for unknown reasons. And Morea is either independent or a Catholic vassal/lesser Union partner that seeks an alliance with the Pope or tries to break free from you one way or another. Sometimes it is quite difficult to translate your History Book style into what actually happens in-game. One way or another, war seems to be imminent.

Small question: Shoudn't you capitalize Emperor if you capitalize Duke as well? Or do these titles only get capitalized in English when they are used together with a name (like "Duke John", but "the rebellious duke")?
 

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Titles are only capitalized when a name follows afterward, they should otherwise be lowercase when no name follows. However, in some really really archaic books, you sometimes see the titles remain un-capitalized even before a name, but that would be frowned upon in modern English.

No, Athens is integrated. I'm going through a boredom stretch of the game. I have a large army in the Morea (the Greek army), and since I've tried to keep the realities of a decentralized aristocracy (which doesn't really exist in any meaningful way in the game), the commanding general is the de-facto Great Domestic of the Morea. When I marched the army into Athens, in gameplay terms, just because I had nothing to do, I've taken that--coupled with the backdrop of centralization and aristocratic discontent, and what the future of this AAR has in store (I'm trying to create the foundations for future Volume III)--to be the "March on Athens."

Yeah, for the history book style, you have to have a lot of imagination. I can understand why, as a reader, it might be hard to realize what's going on in gameplay terms, since, this AAR is really 80% text driven interwoven with some gameplay elements to drive that narrative. Just like when we covered poor Theodoras I. That entire "Civil War" aspect to his downfall really didn't happen. I took the gameplay pretext of the death of the emperor, then just imagined up a very byzantine way to explain why he died. :p

Although the future updates, especially when I start Chapter XXIII, will have more obvious gameplay developments. What am I going to do to break the spell of absolutely nothing from about 1511-1520? Just use some of my random army movements as the artistic license for noble discontent and military disloyalty! :p (Hey, this is the Byzantine Empire we're talking about...)
 

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You mean Roman Empire? :happy:
no such thing as a "Byzantine Empire"! That is heretical!

Also by swallowing the Komnenid remnant state, you seem to have swallowed a tumor.
 
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*This is a largely accepted belief in Byzantine studies, that the minor aristocracy wielded tremendous power and the emperor, himself, was mostly titular and serving/ruling in the best interests of the Greek aristocrats. A new book, written in English, that will come out in February 2015 is Dr. Anthony Kaldellis’ The Byzantine Republic: People and Power in New Rome. I have an advanced order copy on the way, not familiar with this author’s prior works, I am nonetheless expecting a fairly good book.

You will be (pleasantly?) surprised in what you will read in there. I dont wont to ruin it for you with spoilers though.

Have a happy new year and thanks for the update and great reads.

BTW do you plan on posting a current situation map of the game? It would be interesting.

*Who really wants to spend all that time learning Latin, Greek, and two or three other modern European languages in order to be granted their PhD...*

That means I am a nerd? :blink:

Well yes I am
 
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You mean Roman Empire? :happy:
no such thing as a "Byzantine Empire"! That is heretical!

Also by swallowing the Komnenid remnant state, you seem to have swallowed a tumor.

I think that tumor is going to come back and destroy me from within! :p :rofl:

You will be (pleasantly?) surprised in what you will read in there. I dont wont to ruin it for you with spoilers though.

Have a happy new year and thanks for the update and great reads.

BTW do you plan on posting a current situation map of the game? It would be interesting.

That means I am a nerd? :blink:

Well yes I am

Ah, you beat me to the book now did you? :p Yeah, I just received my email from the holders that it's in. I'll probably start reading it over the weekend, probably finish it in a couple days. I'm intrigued to find out what Dr. Kaldellis has to say, although I'm somewhat skeptical reading to excerpts to just how far he's going to take the theme of republicanism and Constable and Kazhdan's "People and Power in Byzantium" book from 1982. Alas, the life of those of us who gobble up the most recent releases on the subject, right? :D

I have to check my screenshot file. I generally don't undertake many screens in my work, so whatever I have, is whatever I have since I finished the campaign.

Thanks for the kind words. Happy New Year!
 

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Chapter XXII

The Rise of the Military Triumvirate of Ambrosios, Georgios, and Nikolaus

The contested grounds of Southern Greece were the epicenter of this political struggle between state and society. The efforts of centralization, trade re-direction, and the inability to exert influence and power in the east threatened to break the Roman Empire in two. John, in his efforts to prevent this, ironically presided over the hastening of the duality of the Roman Empire. In Athens, Southern Italy, and Constantinople, a flourishing Roman state, loyal to the emperor, and benefitted from high quality infrastructure ensured a prosperous people, comparatively speaking, with a strong sense of attachment to the theocratic monarchy headed by John. By contrast, the poorer and less developed regions, which channeled the relatively prosperous resources to the local nobles, created a population that was resentful towards the emperor.

The craftiness of these noblemen—Andronikus and the Komnenoi of Trebizond—like the snake in the garden, knew that they could dry their populace while pointing the blame to the emperor who was, on paper, the head of the empire and responsible for the well-being of all his subjects. Rather than realize their plight was the result of petty rivalry and greed from the nobility reigning over them, their anger was manifested towards the gates of Constantinople. This also had strong ramifications for the Roman army. While the 10,000 strong Imperial Army was loyal to the emperor in Constantinople, the additional 15,000 semi-permanent soldiers: 9,000 in the Morea, and 6,000 in Trebizond, were intensely loyal to their overlords. Drawn from the same barren fields, these soldiers were properly fed and equipped, and indoctrinated to understand that “their” overlords were the ones responsible for lifting them out of agrarian poverty. Thus, their loyalties lay with their generals, even if their generals were theoretically loyal to the emperor.

The growing rift between the peoples of Upper Greece and Constantinople, contrasted with those of the peoples of the Peloponnese and Asia Minor did threaten to literally tear away the empire into two conflicting camps. Furthermore, John should have been well-aware that his attempts to muscle the rebellious nobles under his thumb through economic diplomacy was hurting the common people who suffered from diminishing trade and market consumer options. This surplus felt in the more “loyal” and cooperative regions created a new aristocracy of merchants, however, the establishing of the Imperial Bank through Italian traders and bankers meant that this new emerging upper-class, if you permit, were foreigners instead of proper civilized Romans. This also caused resentment towards John, as if he was a prostitute of the Italians--although it seems odd that such thoughts would be longstanding considering his successful campaigns against the Italians themselves during the Italian Wars.

However, the subaltern of the anti-imperial triumvirate were also intelligent men. Within the anti-imperial triumvirate, a trio of the subaltern was emerging that would play a major role in the Roman Civil Wars after the death of Emperor Manuel III. At this time in the late 1510s, this trio of minor officers: Nikolaus Melissinos, a minor general under Andronikus, Ambrosios Gabras, an officer in the court of the Komnenoi, and Georgios Kantekouzenos, the spawn of the former Kantekouzenos pretenders and a shifty general in the Imperial Army who, although considered loyal to the emperor, at the young age of 29, had his eyes set on a larger prize if the opportunity arose. Plus, Nikolaus Melissinos, like Georgios, was a favourite of Empress Sophia, wife of the emperor and was seen as an “inside man” in Morea, although he too had his eyes set on larger prizes if the opportunity would arise.


The Empress Sophia, wife of Emperor John. Later in her life, she was regent of the empire.

This military triumvirate had shifting loyalties. Two of the men--Melissinos and Gabras, were employed by the anti-John alliance. Georgios was a court officer in the Imperial Army loyal to John, but was young enough, and intelligent enough, to understand that the power of the empire rested in the army and that, under ideal circumstances, he could one day press his claims to the throne. Thus, he had dual loyalties. If he sought to become emperor one day, he wanted a powerful and modern state that he could inherit thanks to John’s efforts. At the same time, John’s rising power and legitimacy, despite the inability of he and his young wife Sophia to produce a male heir, meant that the window was closing, and it would be very probable that the emperor’s younger brother, Manuel, would rise to be emperor (as it was at the death of John).

I must ask of the reader that it is necessary to follow the trajectory of these emerging political, and military, alliances. The “Long Regency,” perhaps one of the most studied decade-long periods in Roman history, much like Catiline’s Conspiracy and the Caesaric Civil Wars, would be incomprehensible without the proper contextualization of its foundation. And, to make matters worse, the scant primary documentation is something of a problem for us, as historians, since only a few scattered documents, and the writings of the historian Antonio Amata, an Italian historian in the court, retains the only surviving account of these episodes in his great work, “The Late Period Empire and the Long Regency.”

Even so, the sharpening divisions of the Roman state and society, along with the ongoing conspiracies, political and military alliances, makes this era inexorably interesting with such intrigue, movement, and contemplation to enter into the psyche of all the major players. Never since the days of Stilicho, Aetius, and Bonifacius[1] were military generals and local governors going to be so instrumental in the survival, and infrastructural decline of the Roman Empire. Although John was clearly gaining the upperhand against his rivals, the gunfire of war would once again disrupt his centralization efforts--and possibly with dire consequences all things considered.


A depiction of the generals Melissinos and Gabras, two minor Imperial army officers during the age of Emperor John, would become increasingly important and two de-facto dictators during the period known as "the Long Regency."

The outbreak of the Italian Wars, which I had covered in Chapter XX, brought to an end this political civil war and centralization efforts of the emperor as contesting loyalties were cast aside for a war with the Venetians and French. However, this also “saved” Andronikus, Demetrius, and David (the Duke of Trebizond) who were being pressured into the inevitable submission to the thumb of Constantinople. But this war allowed them to breathe again. Their armies, and indeed their loyalties, were much needed and appreciated in the titanic struggle in the west when Roman armies once again marched into Italy and sent shock waves through Europe after the fall of Venice.

Nevertheless, I find much irony that a proxy-war being fought within the Roman Empire, waged by its political and aristocratic elites, was ended and salvation for the prospective defeated side was found in the outbreak of an actual war that forced John and the shifting alliances to set aside their petty differences. But having covered the Italian Wars earlier, I hope the reader permits me to break chronology once again, and jump back into the period that situated itself between the war with the Turks and byzantine politicking: John’s ambitious march beyond the Tigris, Euphrates, and to Ardabil.




[1] Count Bonifacius was a rival of Flavius Aetius after the execution of Stilicho and death of Honorius. He held the title of Magister Militum, and was supreme commander of the Western armies before his death at the Battle of Ravenna, fighting against his rival Aetius. Upon his death, Aetius assumed his position as most powerful military commander in the Roman Empire in the West.

*The generals: Ambrosios, Georgios, and Nikolaus, whom, in this update, were called “the subaltern,” are actual in-game figures. However, they properly existed later in the game, and not during this chronological period. But to give them all a beginning, and seeing that the timeline would properly fit, I have fit them into the game prior to my recruitment of them.
 
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This is quite an interesting and foreshadowing chapter. I can totally understand that you breathe life into the Generals right now - while I hope not to see them still live in a century! On the other hand, I do think that you made some errors this time.
 
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This is why we have editors! The mind tells you that you wrote the right word when, in reality, you didn't! :p
 

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Byzantines being byzantine. Not surprising in the least.
 

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Glad that I could help you. If only I could find errors in my own AAR's that easily.

I guess everyone needs a grammar police reviewer! :p

Byzantines being byzantine. Not surprising in the least.

Byzantines being byzantine pretty much sums up Byzantine history! Although Voltaire shows a lot of prejudice in this statement, I still find it incredibly funny, "The whole of Byzantine history has been disgraceful to the human mind!" Spoken like a true Western Enlightenment ethno-centric philospher! :rofl:

I've just caught up volks, stunning work as usual. I've always (out of ignorance) assumed the Byzantine Emperor was supreme but as usual you're educating me that New Rome has plenty of the Old Roman skullduggery to it. Which is fun. :D

Who said AARs can't be educational venues? Actually, this idea of the decentralization of the empire, as holding legitimacy in academic circles, is rather new. The whole civil war and backsliding politicking isn't. Even though I still bill the titular AAR writer as having been writing at the turn of the century, I also want to present as much on the new historiography of the Byzantines as possible! :)
 

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Chapter XXIII: Dreaming of Alexander

A History of Roman Action in the East
To begin, by going backward. I hope the reader will forgive me for having jumped backward in the chronology of the reign of John. However, I feel that, as you have traveled on this journey with me, you have come to see that a thematic organization seems to keep the flow of the text better than a standard narrative chronology.

The history of Western endeavors into the east have never ceased since the days that the Greeks turned back the Persians at Salamis. Alexander carved out a path that stretched from Epirus to the Far Indus, but he wept when hearing the discourses of Anaxarchus concerning infinite worlds, and in a moment of defeat, broke down to his friends and officers, “[We] have not yet conquered one.”[1] After Alexander, various Romans set their eyes to the riches of the east: Crassus, Antony, Gordion, and perhaps most tragically, Julian the Apostate. Following the footsteps of failures, John remolded himself in the vision and splendor of the victorious Macedonian king, rather than the failed Roman expeditions, of which three of the aforementioned men were killed as a result of their hubris and folly.


A bust of Marc Antony, one of the many Roman generals who campaigned in the east, but one of the few who managed to return with his life and reputation largely intact. By comparison, the other Roman commanders, even emperors: Crassus, Gordion, and Julian had all died in their bids for eastern glory.

For reasons unknown for logistic purposes, but for reasons that can be deduced from purely fantastical ambitions and mirror images of self—John embarked on a series of eastern conquests that would ultimately bring the demise of the Koyunlu Confederacy.[2] Indeed the Koyunlu were situated in a rather difficult position all things considered in the first decades of the sixteenth century. Caught between the emergent Safavid Sultanate in Persia, the eastern reaches of the revived Roman Empire to the northwest, the Mohammedan Turks to the west, and the Mamluks to the southwest, these Turkomen herdsmen and their loose monarchial confederacy was the least modern of any of their neighbors, decentralized to the bone, and had been extensively bullied by the Safavids over the past decade.

Now, the Koyunlu were caught between the prospects of waging of two-front war: the Safavids to the east, and the Romans to the west. Indeed, the Koyunlu were so isolated and without friends, that their two opponents would put aside major religious, cultural, and political conflicts to eliminate the common enemy.

The Empire of Abbas I, “The Twelfth Imam.”

John’s eastward counterpart on these escapades was the Sultan Abbas I of the Persians, head of the newly installed Safavid Dynasty that had arisen out of the ashes of the old Timurid confederacy. Centered in Persia, these yet another emergent Persian power that had westward ambitions. Abbas was a member of the Shi’a sect of the Mohammedan faith, which believed that rather than Mohammed conferring the transference of power and authority to Abu Bakr, as the Sunnis, the Shi’a believed this transference of power went to a member of the Prophet’s own family--Ali. After the battle of Karbala, where 72 persons of the Prophet’s family were killed, the division within Mohammedanism was deep right from the religions’ inception.

Of the Shi’a, the most prominent group that came to power, now controlling Persia still today, were the “Twelvers.” This sect, of which Abbas was a member of, believed that only 12 legitimate rulers of the Mohammedan faith were foretold, and after the “death” of the twelfth Imam al-Mahdi in 869 A.D., he did not “die” but went into occultation, stuck in a sort of limbo between time and space and continued to spiritually guide the “True Believers,” through turbulent times. Only at the commencement of the eschaton, the absolute end of history, and the beginning of apocalypse, would the twelfth imam return to guide the righteous to defeat the apostates and impure of faith.

Naturally, Abbas had a dream of grandeur in his youth, which supposedly foretold his rise to power and the end of the war after he, and he alone, would purify the tribes and sons and daughters of Mohammed. With the birth of the Safavid Sultanate, Abbas was identified with the twelfth imam. In the sixteenth century, there was also a millenarian fever that was sweeping over the Near East. Coming close to the first full millennium of the followers of Mohammed on earth, there was a growing expectation, much like in the first 50 years of Christianity, that the end was nigh and that the final judgment was imminent.

This religious fervor created a religious and cultural atmosphere in the mountains and hills of Persia that the end was, indeed, nigh--and that Abbas was the twelfth imam having returned from occultation to lead the army of the believers to victory. This ploy, to bring forth legitimacy, was heightened when he claimed the ancient title Amir al-Mu'minin, “Commander of the Believers.” After raging a short victorious war against the Koyunlu and having driven them out of Persia from 1499-1502, after having displaced the sons of Timur the Lame by 1496, the peoples of Persia saw their king as the fulfillment of the twelver prophecy.[3]


Shah Abbas I, King of Persia, and believed by many of his followers to have been the return of the Twelfth Imam, signalling the end of human history and the inauguration of the eschaton.

The rise in conflict between the sons and daughters of Mohammed, and the victories won by Abbas, stretched his dominion from the Indus to the banks of the Euphrates. Undefeated in battle as well, his claim to some sort of divinity, (heresy) or close belief that he was essential to the eschatological plan of soteriology in the Mohammedan tradition, ensured his longstanding reputation in the region. When John marched out of Georgia to wage war in Armenia and Northern Mesopotamia, Abbas thundered out of southern Persia to seize the Mesopotamian marshes from the Koyunlu. Besieged by two foes, the Turkomen sheep herders folded quickly under the combined might of two competing empires.

At the ancient Sassanid capital of Ctesiphon, near modern-day Baghdad, the emperors John and Abbas met to decree the final territorial division of the Koyunlu. John procured the security of the northern Caucasus Mountains with the southern-most stretch down to Armenia and the lakes that feed the great rivers of the former Fertile Crescent. Meanwhile, Abbas secured the rest of central and southern Mesopotamia. One can imagine however, despite the destruction of one nation, the conflict of interests, as well as re-emerging Roman power in the east and the emergence of a new regional superpower would inevitably bring the two men into conflict with one another.

As it was, two years after the Treaty of Ctesiphon, the Persians and Romans, as like the days of old, once more marched off to war against each other. Renewed conflict between Persia and Rome was nothing new. For those cyclical historians who see the entirety of world history as following the same cyclical pattern, another war between Rome and Persia was beneficial to both the Turks and Mamluks--for any opportunity that either power could have in the weakening of a reviving Rome and an emergent Persia would be welcomed to the fullest.




[1] Plutarch, Tranquility of the Mind. There is a more famous misquote from the film “Die Hard” (1988), in which Alan Rickman’s character Hans Gruber states, “When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.” The original quote, revised in the film, originates from Plutarch. Reformer John Calvin quotes Plutarch’s account in his commentary “On the Book of Psalms.”

[2] A more archaic spelling of Qoyunlu, which I have used to try and keep a more turn of the century linguistic feel, like the continuous usage of Serviam (Serbian) and Mohammedan (Muslim), even though I, in my professional life and work, would never use these terms for various reasons.

[3] I modeled Abbas’ reign, at least as it is relevant to our story with John, close to the life of the historical first Sultan of the Safavids, Ismail I, who was believed to be the incarnate al-Mahdi, and was closely identified as such until his defeat by the Ottomans at the Battle of Chaldiran (1514). The Alawi sect of Islam comes out of this tradition.
 
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Byzantines being byzantine pretty much sums up Byzantine history! Although Voltaire shows a lot of prejudice in this statement, I still find it incredibly funny, "The whole of Byzantine history has been disgraceful to the human mind!" Spoken like a true Western Enlightenment ethno-centric philospher! :rofl:

I wonder if we can make our byzantine statements about the Byzantines even more byzantine? Perhaps so much that we experience syntactic saturation with the word byzantine? :laugh:


Also, nice expansion in the east. Though, as you make clear, that might well backfire as it leads to difficulties in properly ruling it all.
 

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Well, Byzantines more concentrated on their petty rivarlies, beaurocracy and traditions was a disgrace, Rome, at least back in the republic days, was like rivarlies where targeted outwards, a senator or general wanted to be more famous, more power, he gone invading a forreign country. Byzantium? nah, lets go civil-total wars. All countries fall when its guns get pointed inwards.
 
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I would have thought Ctesiphon would be a bunch of empty sand buildings, or mostly covered in sand anyway during this time?
The city was mostly abandoned during the rise of Baghdad?
 
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I would have thought Ctesiphon would be a bunch of empty sand buildings, or mostly covered in sand anyway during this time?
The city was mostly abandoned during the rise of Baghdad?

Yes. I hope I did not give the impression that Ctesiphon is still a great suburb or city. But due to the historical importance of the city in the Roman-Persian Wars, and since John and Abbas are literate leaders, "philosopher kings" so to speak, the inclusion of Ctesiphon is more of a homage and respect more than anything else. A symbolic irony that the two sides met here to decree the fate of a third party when the fields of Ctesiphon were long the site of Persian-Roman armies, and with what happens next--well--even more irony that this was a moment of peace only to be turned to war... :p
 

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If I only could see a Byzantinized Washington DC... :p
 

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Finally had the time to read your upgrade with the proper amount of concentration! If you and Persia managed to annex the unspeakable Shepherd tribe in one (well, two) war(s) then they must have been quite weakened already. It does remind me of their state at the end of my own campaign though - completely gobbeled up by Otto, Timur, Russia and even Hedjaz!