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Chapter X

The Rise of the Despotates and Their Petty Squabbles and Wars

The entirety of Constantine’s reign was preoccupied with the war with the Turks from 1470-1473. The peace concluded in June was the greatest achievement of his short reign, seeing that the seeds for the Greek Renaissance were not, in any way, put in place by the policies of Constantine. His death in late Augusts, just two months after having preserved the fragile empire may have helped in his expiration, after all, at an elderly age and having suffered – almost immediately after his coronation, the duty of maintaining the ancient empire in the midst of a trying war with their rivals the Turks certainly drained what little life was left in Constantine. Upon his death, Constantine was raised to sainthood within the Roman Church – not surprising given the circumstances of his life and perceived heroism during the most recent war; yet, a man who had killed as many men as he – indirectly through leadership or directly with his own blade, seems to be a betrayal of the very essence of sainthood and the martyrs who courageously stood to proclaim the gospel in an age of intolerance and repression aimed at the early Christian community of the first and second centuries.

Indeed, the succession to a cousin, John IX, would lead him into a tenuous position as emperor. John IX had to deal with the fallout of the war, as well as an assortment of problems that were plaguing the empire. The peasantry had been decimated by the recent war and stern conscription policies that literally dragged young men, not even of age, out of their homes to be pressed into the ranks of the Roman Army that desperately needed men for their ranks. Many of these young men would not return to their gaining plots of agriculture, and those that could were forced to remain in the military as the permanent replacements to the standing soldiers who had been killed in the war.

To give credit to John IX, he attempted to relieve the affliction on the Roman peasantry and underclasses by instituting a sweeping series of agrarian reforms aimed at providing restitution and welfare to the families whose sons had died or were now permanently serving in the Roman army when, less than a year ago, they were expected to remain as farm hands on the large agricultural plots, primarily focused in the Desptoate of the Morea. John seemed to be genuinely moved by their plight, but his policies he pursued were largely ineffective and gave greater power to the local rulers of the despotates. The reign of John IX, although warmhearted, marked the ascendency of the despotates in this new era of the Late Period Empire. These policies of restitution, in which wealthy families, not necessarily the poor peasant families whose sons had been drafted to war, received generous bestowments of Imperial coinage to compensate for their losses, would often pocket the moneys given to them to aid in the agricultural rapprochement. As a result, corruption was heightened, and inflation rose without many checks – few in the Roman administration understood the gravity of inflation within the Roman economic state. Naturally, this would be a later cause of problems during John’s reign.

In addition to this – the money sent to the wealthy landowners also increased their power. With the Imperial Army still confined to the defense of Constantinople, local land barons and nobles started to recruit private armies with the money given to them by the emperor and imperial administration. Many reached out to the Condottieri in Italy to fill the ranks of a permanent private enforcement army – to which several of the noble families reinstituted old rivalries that would be settled in pitched battle by private armies serving the local landlords while John was powerless from Constantinople to do anything but perhaps – as he did – to choose a particular noble and fund him during the struggle in hopes of keeping the peace and preserving the continuity of the empire.

In the Morea, the Kantakouzenos and Dragas families were extremely hostile to one another. With a weak administration in Constantinople, the Kantakouzenoi from Thessaly and the Draga from the Peloponnese aimed to settle a centuries old score by waging war against one another. Alexandros Kantakouzenos rallied a band of 2000 mercenaries, mostly from degenerates from the Kingdom of Naples, to invade the Peloponnese and dislodge the Dragas. The Dragas were from the old Serbian aristocracy who had married into the Palaiologoi family – Constantine XI himself was partly from this bloodline from his mother’s side, Helena. The Kantakouzenos were fully Greek and proud of this fact, and they saw the Dragas Family as foreign invaders unworthy of their positions and titles. With the Dragas line of the Palaiologoi gone with the ascendency of John IX – the situation was ripe for conflict.

Alexandros marched south and forced Jovan Dragas to surrender his estate upon seeing the private army of Alexandros. As Jovan was led out, he was mocked, tied to a donkey, and placed in the town stockade for further humiliation. Stripped of his titles and estate, he faded away into history – never to be heard from again. Some speculate that he was murdered. Others say he fled to the Turks and became an agent for the Mohammedan cause against the Romans. Even others say he became a wanderer of the lands until he finally expired. Regardless, the actions of Alexandros became the norm during John’s reign as local and often petty princes warred with one another for the spoils of the empire.


Despotate soldiers attacking soldiers from another Roman Despotate. This ongoing power struggle sapped central Roman power and authority.

In Anatolia, the Despotate of the Trebizond was the sight of ugly confrontation – not from quarrelling nobles, although there certainly was this – but from the subjugated Mohammedan population who suddenly found themselves the centerpiece and organ of Roman intolerance and persecution. Unlike the Turkish Kingdom which was relatively tolerant toward the Christian minority, the same cannot be said of the Romans toward religious minorities, let alone heretics; whom which many saw the Mohammedans as. To the Romans, Mohammedanism was a dry and barren Unitarian monotheism devoid of the mysticism and spirituality of Eastern Christianity. Their denial of the Trinity, despite their veneration of Mary and Jesus, was not the focus of building a healing relationship as it was in the Turkish territories but the focus of ridicule, attack, and outright hostility from a depressed Christian population that longed for the restoration of the Roman Empire and Imperial Christendom like the days of old. Not to mention that bishops and even patriarchs fueled the flames by wild remarks of a restoration of the Pentarchy – which not only worried the Mohammedan faithful but also the Pope in Rome!

This rising factionalism is indicative of the entire period leading up to the ascendency of John X, to which he himself struggled to confront during his 27 year reign. Yet, the rising of the factionalists also had unintended benefits for the empire in the most unseen ways. First, it drew Mohammedan attention away from the walls of Constantinople as warring factions elsewhere in the empire threatened to spill over into the Turkish border. Second, the factional rivalries among noble families prompted some to marry with the noble families of Serbia, Hungary, and Bosnia for leverage and power gains – thus indirectly cementing pro-Roman sentiments among the elites in these countries who have, or will find, common cause with the Romans against the Mohammedans in Europe. Third, decentralized ruling also allowed for the most capable individuals to possess and develop lands that would have otherwise been left to rot into the abyss. Fourth, the mercenaries raised by these feudal, and often petty, lords, created a new medium by which Roman military power could be concentrated in a future war against the Mohammedans, and later even the Italians!

Yet, at the same time, the rise of the despotates hurt the central administration and authority of the emperor. Onlookers saw the quarrelling in Greece and Trebizond as indicators of Roman decline and lack of prestige, despite the semi-revival that had been undertaken by John VIII and the preservation of the empire under Constantine XI. John IX therefore was in a precarious position, he needed to cement Roman relationships with pro-Christian neighbors to survive the building Mohammedan coalition against him. He also needed to restore order in the despotates to send an image of strength and prestige to his allies and enemies alike. Lastly, the most important to which he never accomplished, was the badly needed centralization reforms of the Roman state which could have accomplished the other two goals of John.

In 1475 in Despotate of the Trebizond, a large Mohammedan uprising occurred. Fueled by the incendiary remarks of the local Christian population, and the perceived oppression that they were facing, the Mohammedans of Candar took up arms and raised over 11,000 to their cause. To throw off the shackles of Roman oppression and to join the Mohammedan Turkish Sultanate would be a devastating blow to Rome, something that John knew he could not allow to happen under his authority. Meanwhile, Duke Andronicus Komneonos, the ruling regent of the Despotate of Trebizond, was routed at Sinope by the rioting Mohammedans. He fled with haste back to his castle along the Black Sea coast, the individual with the misfortune of having been defeated by peasants with pitchforks.

Understanding the gravity of the situation, Emperor John gathered the Imperial Army and dispatched 7,000 soldiers and Condottieri to recapture the lost lands from the Mohammedan uprising. The Mohammedan army, numbering about 10,000 men, not necessarily soldiers, made their stand at Sinope. Georgios Diogenes, one of the Roman heroes of the Macedonian War under Constantine XI, personally accompanied the emperor as his military advisor. John IX was eager for a victory, but the more experienced general cautioned the emperor from making a rash and unnecessary decision that would cost the lives of the men under his command.

Surprisingly, John listened to his subordinate – something that was often uncommon when emperors were leading the armies. The Roman army surrounded the city and planned to starve the Mohammedan defenders into submission. There was however, one problem with this plan – the Mohammedans had expected this, and Al-Faruq, the charismatic Mohammedan leader of the uprising, had been busy raiding the countryside for food and other grains after whipping Duke Andronicus and waiting for the arrival of the Roman army. After two months of inconclusive action, John became impatient with the progress of the siege and decided to press that battle by attacking the Mohammedans outright. Diogenes argued to place the mercenary troops first – after all, dead mercenaries no longer need to be paid.

The Condottieri performed well, scaling the walls and bringing the fight straight to the Mohammedan defenders. Having cleared the way for the young and inexperienced Roman troops, many of them having never seen combat, with a substantial amount mere boys really – Diogenes hoped that the more experienced Italians would allow for the young Roman troops to be met with a broken and battered enemy to which the Roman soldiers could gird their loins and sharpen their steel against. This plan, as immoral as it might have been – worked to great effect. The Mohammedans were broken within the first few hours of fighting. However, none surrendered knowing the fate that would await them – thus, all would die as martyrs of the faith.

Overlooking his victory, John grew wild with optimism and promptly took credit for the defeat of the Mohammedan army. Restoring order in the region was a major accomplishment for the decentralized emperor, who would just as quickly board his personal ship and sail back to the Golden Horn and take up residence in the Imperial Palace having given back administrative rule to Duke Andronicus, who negotiated for the keeping of 1,000 of the Italians as his personal bodyguard and police force. Naturally, the lack of a centralized authority passed down to the rule of degenerate prince caused further hardship unto the Roman Christian and Mohammedan populace in the western edges of the despotate.


Italian mercenaries like this one above, known as "Condottieri", were the mainstay of the personal soldiers of private despotate armies commanded by warring Roman nobles seeking greater power and authority. These private armies posed a serious threat to the Roman Army under the command of the emperor.

Duke Andronicus, like Alexandros Kantakouzenos in Greece, cemented his personal control over the region economically, politically, and militarily. His policies of tax farming and favoritism only furthered his political alliance among the lesser nobles in the region. Of course, those who opposed him often found themselves facing down the point of Andronicus’ mercenaries – who were employed as his personal enforcers. Some may have even been murdered on his orders! Yet, such deceit and corruption had become so common in the Late Period Empire; it doesn’t stand out as something shocking.

In the schools, in the churches, even the palaces throughout the Roman Empire one must tirelessly search for a righteous soul within the empire – and not a single soul will anyone find worthy of salvation. This is a testimony to the moral character of the Romans, who rank immeasurably lower in civic virtue, love of liberty, and moral fortitude than even the Pagans! Indeed, Eirenaios Tornikes, the Pagan philosopher and man who reestablished the Imperial Cult was more virtuous than most, if not all, the men who proclaimed to follow the human spirit of the gospels and the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. The constant backroom politicking practiced by the Roman nobility would make the members of Parliament seem like saints by comparison.

As the Despotates grew in power, the central authority of Emperor John decreased, and at his expense – the fragile empire was not structurally getting stronger despite perceptions that it may have been growing in strength. The strength and wealth of the empire was spread among the local authorities, the Skanderberg family in Albania, Charlotte in Cyprus, and Dukes Alexandros and Andronicus in Greece and Trebizond. The influx of Mediterranean trade never found its way to the Imperial Treasury, but to the local treasury of the nobles – who would not hesitate in raiding Imperial tax collectors to gain a larger share of money to line their own pockets.

Yet, John seemed oblivious to this – or he did not have the political courage or will to challenge the petty nobles running rampant throughout the empire. In a bid to hedge the growing power of the nobles, he isolated himself among the peasantry during the non-Possessor movements of the late fifteenth century when ecclesiastical authorities were besieged, both by the peasantry and certain powerful nobles, to relinquish their lands and live among the people as Christ had done in First Century Galilee. Seizing this opportunity to strike back at the nobles, Emperor John supported the clergy in defending the vast territory of land and wealth owned by the Church. John may have curbed the rising power of some of the nobles, but his actions could not curtail the rising influence and power of localized politics and militaries that threatened to upend the balance of power between the emperor in Constantinople and his subjects separated from him by the Turkish Kingdom. Also, he isolated himself from the peasantry, who – unlike the nobles, were in plight and saw the Church lands and wealth as a medium for great prosperity. Unlike some advisors who suggested the impiety among the peasantry had led them to this position, the opposite is almost certainly true – the peasants were the most faithful stewards of the Christian faith in the longest standing Christian empire in the world.

 
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There is a need for some slider moves!
 

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Gentleman, I believe a change in national policy is in order! :D
 

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Diogenes argued to place the mercenary troops first – after all, dead mercenaries no longer need to be paid.

That's a good point. It doesn't help manpower any, but that's still a good point.
 

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Upon his death, Constantine was raised to sainthood within the Roman Church – not surprising given the circumstances of his life and perceived heroism during the most recent war; yet, a man who had killed as many men as he – indirectly through leadership or directly with his own blade, seems to be a betrayal of the very essence of sainthood and the martyrs who courageously stood to proclaim the gospel in an age of intolerance and repression aimed at the early Christian community of the first and second centuries.

Well, I don't want to sound like a smartass but this happened many times in Real life too. Both Constantine the Great, Basil the 2nd (not sure about that one but I think he is) and Constantine Palaiologos are canonized saints (the later one by both the Latin and Orthodox churches). And I am certain there are many more examples in both Christian denominations as well. At those ages service to the one true faith must have been above every other consideration it seems.

Anyway I like the interpenetration you are giving to the choices you make by artistically expressing them in text. Masterful indeed. I take you took religious Ideas, Offense and you to fill the bar in the re-population of the country side NI? I also believe there must have been some Patriarch Authority boosts ;)
 

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Rebels, rebels, rebels. Did we have less rebels back in Eu3? :p

Don't remember rebels being any big deal in old good Eu2. :D

I have too many rebels in Candar... :( Spend 90 Admin points to integrate, long time like 40-50+ months. Get in a war with the Ottomans. Ottomans capture Candar and negate all my work. Then I have to restart! Even with the province integrated, there is still a revolt risk because of the religious differences! :glare: Makes for a good read though I hope!

This isn't just a society in decline, it is a society in outright collapse!

Ssshhh! You might spoil the end for any new readers who still are hoping for a massive Byzantine revival! :eek:hmy: Haha, although the night is darkest just before the dawn...

There is a need for some slider moves!

I miss HoI2 mechanics...I hope HoI4 is more like the 2nd and not the 3rd! :p

Gentleman, I believe a change in national policy is in order! :D

I'm thinking a constitutional republic is in order! :laugh: But I think the emperor will have a different policy in mind...especially when I get to a certain Emperor in my second volume who will take on the despotates with an iron fist! :cool:

We need revolution badly!

I'm gonna need a drink badly then! :ninja:

That's a good point. It doesn't help manpower any, but that's still a good point.

Mercenaries, the expensive way to counter one's EU4 manpower problems! :glare:

Well, I don't want to sound like a smartass but this happened many times in Real life too. Both Constantine the Great, Basil the 2nd (not sure about that one but I think he is) and Constantine Palaiologos are canonized saints (the later one by both the Latin and Orthodox churches). And I am certain there are many more examples in both Christian denominations as well. At those ages service to the one true faith must have been above every other consideration it seems.

Anyway I like the interpenetration you are giving to the choices you make by artistically expressing them in text. Masterful indeed. I take you took religious Ideas, Offense and you to fill the bar in the re-population of the country side NI? I also believe there must have been some Patriarch Authority boosts ;)

Being Catholic, I am quite well-aware of the unsavory figures in Church History who have been canonized! :p But in the spirit of Gibbon, since he unleashes hell on the Church in his The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire; I had to have that plug in my writing! Although, I'm glad you like the written expression since that's where I'm hoping to make this AAR worthwhile (in prose, not necessarily in-game results or with pictures).

I thought Constantine XI was an "unofficial saint," a martyr for national Greece but I don't think the Greek Orthodox Church ever canonized him? If he has been, that would be news to me and that my great big book of Eastern and Western saints needs to be updated (it already does since the recent canonization of JPII and John XXIII). His role with the controversy between the effort of the late Palaiologoi emperors to unify the Greek Church under Latin authority to gain favor from the Pope is one of the major reasons why the Palaiologoi emperors have mixed legacies. Michael VIII was denied funeral rites. I don't think Basil was ever canonized either.

Let's see, I have Defensive Ideas, and Economic ideas if memory serves me correctly thus far. Naval and Religious will be next since I feel that would be the 'historic' pathway of the Byzantine Empire had it survived longer. I know handicapping myself to historical ideas too isn't doing me too many benefits, except for defense with that +25% morale boost!
 

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I was wrong on Basil the Second, but you have to hand it to the Romans for portraying their emperors as carrying the mandate of heaven:

Basilios_II.jpg


I know for certain that the Unites (I don't know if it translates to English as such per se), the Greeks who accepted the decrees of Florance and entered in communion with the Catholic church do so consider him a saint. This group is a bit 'strange' though, because they on one hand recognise the Papal primacy on the other hand follow the Orthodox saints and rite, while other churches stick to latin rite...

Ill have to check out for the Orthodox themselves to be sure, but you might be right. After all if he was canonized it would have been a big day the day of his celebration and as far as I am aware from the times ive been there, there isnt such a thing.
 

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Don't worry...you'll be fine. It's just time to call for nationalism, as the nobles have to be put in their place. Of course, there's the problem with following the faith, too. Then, again, what is the true faith of the land. Let's see, No, money, No army, No friends, the Nobles are taking your money, No real faith. Boy, you're collapsing.
 
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The Roman Empire is all fine and dandy, especially in the age of absolute monarchs, but eventually it does need to return to the ways of the republic and expand its bureaucracy. Only then will it reach it reach its former glory!
 

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I was wrong on Basil the Second, but you have to hand it to the Romans for portraying their emperors as carrying the mandate of heaven...

I know for certain that the Unites (I don't know if it translates to English as such per se), the Greeks who accepted the decrees of Florance and entered in communion with the Catholic church do so consider him a saint. This group is a bit 'strange' though, because they on one hand recognise the Papal primacy on the other hand follow the Orthodox saints and rite, while other churches stick to latin rite...

Ill have to check out for the Orthodox themselves to be sure, but you might be right. After all if he was canonized it would have been a big day the day of his celebration and as far as I am aware from the times ive been there, there isnt such a thing.

The Uniate Church, we just call them "Byzantine/Eastern Catholic" :p Technically speaking, anyone who has died, and who presumably is not in purgatory and therefore in heaven, can be called a "Saint" although the official saints of the Church are those properly canonized through Church inquiry. I am rather certain Constantine XI is not an official saint, and if he is - I would want to be the first to know since I have always said in my historical writings that he is not a saint... wouldn't want to be writing falsehoods now would we? :ninja:

There's actually a Byzantine-rite Catholic Church near where I live, but I've only been there for special gatherings of purely non-religious reasons like community gatherings, speaking venues, and other such things. I should probably stop over some time for their liturgy, since I confess, even as a Catholic, that the Orthodox liturgy is much more beautiful than the vernacular liturgy of the CC after Vatican II.

Don't worry...you'll be fine. It's just time to call for nationalism, as the nobles have to be put in their place. Of course, there's the problem with following the faith, too. Then, again, what is the true faith of the land. Let's see, No, money, No army, No friends, the Nobles are taking your money, No real faith. Boy, you're collapsing.

Since nationalism is a 18th/19th century invention, I wouldn't feel like a good historian if I made or used anachronistic analogies or analyses! :p Candar was easy picking, but that Sunni boost to prevent any religious conversion is really hurting since Sunni rebels pop up every couple of years... :glare:

The Roman Empire is all fine and dandy, especially in the age of absolute monarchs, but eventually it does need to return to the ways of the republic and expand its bureaucracy. Only then will it reach it reach its former glory!

There will be no return to a republic! :eek:
 

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Chapter XI

The Origins of the Council of Constantinople, 1477 A.D.

One of the most important events in the decline and fall of Rome during the Late Period Empire had centered on the Christian Church itself. As I mentioned in my previous chapter, John IX saw the Church, and its ecclesiastical authorities, as a means to counter the political movements of various nobles across the dominion – power held by the Church meant power not held by the Roman nobility who were openly acting in defiance to Imperial decree and law. The Church was a very wealthy institution and owned much land in the empire, while the Church often defended this practice as being necessary for the carrying out of the mission of Christ – some of the explanations were themselves skeptical to accept. In regards to the great wealth of land possessed by the Church, Patriarch Theodoros remarked that the lands of the Church were being used to produce the wine used at the celebration of the mass at the consecration of the Eucharist. While this is most certainly true, the notion that the vast wealth of land possessed by the Church itself was necessary for the production of wine at holy Eucharist seems far fetch – as if all the land the Church held were vineyards. After all, Jesus lived among the peasants of first century Palestine, and his early disciples and apostles had not a penny to their name and had completely transformed the Mediterranean World within a few centuries, and had penetrated as deep as China by the sixth century!

One of the strongest figures in the Church during the Non-Possessor movement was the aforementioned Archbishop Michael of Athens, who would become a vocal defender of the Church – but would unscrupulously point the finger at the Mohammedan mosques and waqfs in the former territories of the Sultanate of Candar as an alternative to the Church if taxation and wealth redistribution was a major concern. In other words, the sanctity of protecting the Church from taxes was absolute, but additional taxes on the empire’s other religions were fair game. As John IX contemplated this, accepting this alternative would have overturned 200 years of relaxed religious policy that had begun under Michael VIII, who openly allowed Jews, Armenians,* and Mohammedans free worship and travel throughout much of the city of Constantinople during his reign. In a day and age when most other kingdoms and empires were highly intolerant towards other religions, the late period empire had moved in the opposite direction; even though the imperium was still strongly committed to ecclesiastical matters of the national church.

In good fashion and in the spirit of the teachings of the Nazarene, John IX rejected the alternative position to church taxation, and entrenched the state protection of the Church itself. Even as the Non-Possessor Movement grew, John IX came to the defense of the Church and appealed to traditional laws and customs to the populace’s relationship with the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church that God had divinely ordained to the Roman Empire with the emperor serving as his holy steward and gate keeper of the keys to the kingdom on earth until the Second Coming of the Lord.** Despite this, one could say that John’s defense of the Church was a calculated political move rather than an economic one. When poised with the opportunity to introduce Church taxes, which would greatly benefit the treasury and serve to stimulate the national economy, John opposed the concept – probably out of fear that it would empower the rebellious Roman nobility further, and isolate John’s strongest allies; most of whom were found in the Church.


An icon depicting Jesus (at center) bestowing his favor unto Emperor John IX and his wife, the Empress Zoe. John IX's commitment to the Church prompted such iconography during his reign as a defender of the Church in tumultuous times.

Unlike the idealized image of the Empire being a beacon of a unified Christian faith, the reality of the empire’s demographic composition was far different than the stereotyped images conjured up by previous Roman historians of the East. Although the empire no longer possessed the religiously diverse Holy Lands or Anatolia, by the 13th Century the changing composition of the empire’s religious body could be felt. There were already prominent Latin (Catholic) and Mohammedan quarters within the city of Constantinople, and there were prominent (but smaller) Latin quarters in many of the other major cities in coastal Greece. There was also a growing number of Armenians in Constantinople and several of the outlying eastern-most cities as well. By the recapturing of Constantinople under Michael VIII Palaiologos, a sizeable Jewish minority had sprung up in the imperial city, and changing economic and trade policies increased the influx of Latin, mostly Italian, traders in the remains of the empire.

The religious diversity in the empire under John IX was, among other reasons, perhaps – a reason of his defense of the ancient Church that produced the Nicene Creed and became the official religion of the Roman Empire in the Edict of Thessaloniki under the emperor Theodosius. The relative degree of freedom that these smaller religions had under the empire was a cause of alarm for conservative authorities in the Church. Naturally, they came to the emperor to seek reversals of old policies that had been in place since the late 13th Century. In reality, there was little John could do, who was caught between a rock and a hard place considering the circumstances that had befallen the empire.

Yet, in 1477, John convened a council in Constantinople among leading Church officials to reexamine the Church’s position with the imperial borders in relationship to the growing number of minority religions also coming under imperial authority. This meeting was not an ecumenical council of earlier traditions, nor a council akin to Florence. Rather, this was a purely political gathering that re-affirmed the ancient Creed and tradition that the Orthodox Church was the official state church recognized and protected by the emperor, to be promoted by the emperor, and to be favored among other religions. During the Council, the delegates debated the relationship of the Church with their brother religionists the Mohammedans. The delegates also debated the authority and validity of the Armenians and Latins, fellow Christians in name and by declaration, but nonetheless different in theology and in acceptance of councils and creeds.

Furthermore, the ongoing question of reforming the liturgy was brought forth. In sum, the Church council of Constantinople (1477) would debate, for near seven months, the ongoing religious conflict between brother religions, and the potential action against the newly rising popularity of the ancient fertility and imperial cults that had propped up at the end of Constantine XI’s reign. It is here, that I think analyzing and outcome of this council is necessary to produce a more lively account of the theological discussion that was happening in the empire. Humanism and the arts would also become a focus of the council, all of this coincides with the formation of the Greek Renaissance of the late 15th and early 16th Century, roughly spanning the years 1475-1520 in the Roman Empire.


Church leaders gathering in Constantinople for the Council of Constantinople, 1477, which would answer the issue of the non-possessor movement, church relationships with other religions, and reforms to the liturgy. Lastly, the issue of Church taxation would be brought up again during the council.


*Armenian Orthodoxy is Oriental Orthodoxy, whereas Greek Orthodoxy is part of the Eastern Orthodox tradition. The Coptic Church is another Oriental Orthodox Church, while most of the Orthodox churches are Eastern. The easiest means to understand the difference is the Eastern Orthodox Church(es) accepted the first seven ecumenical councils (also accepted by the Roman Catholic Church) while the Oriental Orthodox Churches only accept the first three ecumenical councils. All Orthodox churches have recognized apostolic authority and valid sacraments to one another; the same is true for the Catholic-Orthodox relationship. To recall the proper understanding of the West-East divide, refer back to Chapter V which contains the brief and concise version for the split.

** This was a popular and unofficial “doctrine” among both Eastern and Western Christians in the Roman Empire (before the fall of the Western half) and remained somewhat popular in the East during the reign of the Byzantine emperors. There was a long-standing belief that the emperor in Constantinople would hand over the kingdom on earth to Christ at his second coming, and that the emperor was steward over the future Kingdom of God that would come to earth at the end of days. The Eastern churches never officially endorsed this popular doctrine, and there is little evidence that Church leaders had such an understanding of the relationship of the empire and eschatology. Saint Augustine’s City of God was actually written in response to the views of Western Roman Christians who had associated the heavenly city with the Roman Empire. After Saint Augustine, this view all but died out in the West.
 
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The Renaissance is absolutely necessary if European affairs are to go in a somewhat historical direction - but I very much like your idea of having it happen as a consequence of a similar Greek development, not because of the fall of Constantinople. One can only hope interest in the classic works of Plato and Aristotle will lead to a political renaissance as well as a cultural one - Roman Republic, anyone?
 

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The Renaissance is absolutely necessary if European affairs are to go in a somewhat historical direction - but I very much like your idea of having it happen as a consequence of a similar Greek development, not because of the fall of Constantinople. One can only hope interest in the classic works of Plato and Aristotle will lead to a political renaissance as well as a cultural one - Roman Republic, anyone?

I think he already mentioned that there would be no return to the republic. :(
On the other hand the AAR is titled the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
(Roman Constitutional Democracy anyone? ;))
 
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Suffer no heretic to live, the Orthodox Greek Catholic Church will not make any deals with those who have left the path of righteousness!

The CC shouldn't have ever abandoned the Latin Mass! :angry: And since the move to vernacular liturgy is all but complete, we should at least be able to have the still stunningly gorgeous vernacular mass that the Greek Orthodox Church has here in America... I make no amends in saying that the Eastern Churches have the most beautiful liturgy - further evidence I suppose that they are the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church! :p

*cough* I think that is more or less the reason I will and always have declined "Reforming the Liturgy" event every time I play as an Orthodox nation!

The Renaissance is absolutely necessary if European affairs are to go in a somewhat historical direction - but I very much like your idea of having it happen as a consequence of a similar Greek development, not because of the fall of Constantinople. One can only hope interest in the classic works of Plato and Aristotle will lead to a political renaissance as well as a cultural one - Roman Republic, anyone?

Very true, the alternative timeline obviously needs to impact the still to fire Renaissance in Europe but follow more ahistorical lines now. However, I have hopefully also been able to convey, as much as possible in an AAR - that there was a cultural renaissance under the Palaiologoi historically that often gets overlooked for the more famous Italian Renaissance.

I think he already mentioned that there would be no return to the republic. :(
On the other hand the AAR is titled the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
(Roman Constitutional Democracy anyone? ;))

Well, Gibbon's work is titled The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, I just took out the word "history" and changed "empire" to "civilization" for my AAR! ;) That, I suppose, leaves the door open to a transition from empire to something else - but I am not intending to oversee any such governmental transitioning. Although the allure of a constitutional democracy is very appealing! :cool:
 

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Chapter XI

The Council of Constantinople, Deliberations and Reforms

When the council of Constantinople was convened at the behest of the emperor, the many bishops, archbishops, and leading church figures of the Greek Orthodox Church met at the eternal city – which included the ancient primates of the Alexandrian, Antiochian, and Jerusalem churches as well. It is important to make a clear distinction of the governance of the Orthodox Church, or as I prefer to say – Churches. In a manner most befitting to the Western tradition, the Orthodox Church is not like the Catholic Church in that there is a single, undisputed head of the church; as the Pope claims to be the Vicar of Christ on Earth and therefore is his highest representative. The Patriarch of Constantinople, who claims the status “First among equals” (protos metaxy ison), and by default, sort of became the “symbolic head” of the Eastern communion; although it would be inaccurate to say that the Patriarch himself is any equivalent of the Pope. Rather, the primates and patriarchs all have jurisdictional authority over their churches, the Primate of the Alexandrian Church heads the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria – which is different from the aforementioned Coptic Orthodox Church (the larger Christian body in Egypt), the Patriarch of the Church in Jerusalem has jurisdiction over his territory, and so forth. All the churches however are unified by a common body of councils and creeds. In the Protestant equivalency, one might say that at a very superficial level the Orthodox Churches are closest in governance to the Congregational Churches – that is that many churches are united by a common declaration of faith and acceptance of creeds, but each individual church congregation has self-autonomy.

At this council there were major issues that the Church had to deal with. First, the Church had to counter the growing non-possessor movement and whether or not the Church itself would accept some of the demands of the movement. Second, reforms to the Holy Liturgy. Third, the Church’s relationship with the growing religious minorities in the empire and the role of the Church in salvation history. And lastly, whether or not there should be sustained efforts at reunification with the Latin Church in Rome.

As mentioned, the non-possessor movement condemned the great land holdings and wealth of the Church. On scriptural grounds, some of the more intellectual leaders of the non-possessor movement condemned the Church saying that Jesus owned nothing and that the original apostles also had little. They often cited Acts 2, “And all were gathered together, and sold their possessions and distributed them to each, according to his needs.” The first opening days of the council countered the non-possessor movement. While there were a few lesser ranked clergy who were open to the possibility of reforming some of the land possessions of church, the vast majority of the attendants rejected any compromise with the non-possessor movement. The church leaders declared that, while it may have been true in the time of the apostles that they had little among them as the Church does today – the maintenance of Church and the propagation of the gospel depended upon the current standing of the Church in the world.


Deliberations of the Church Council inside the Hagia Sophia.

The second and perhaps the more important issue that the council had to deal with was with the growing movement towards reforming the holy liturgy of the Church. The liturgy of the Orthodox Church is as ornate and mystifying as the liturgy of the Catholic Church.* The Liturgy of the Greek Church followed a very strict and formal pattern of worship – much unlike anything in the Western Protestant world. The liturgy begins with the Great Litany, followed the First Antiphon, Little Litany, Second Antiphon, Second Little Litany, Third Antiphon and entrance, and the Trisagion hymn. During this section of the liturgy, opening prayers to civil and worldly leaders are given. Prayers for unity and for brothers and sisters of the faith also are given. The readings and announcement of the prayers are always chanted in the most beautiful of voices that can make one have thoughts of the angelic choirs of the heavens. With the formal entrance complete, and the Holy Bible firmly held by the clergy, the next part of the liturgy begins.

The reading of the epistle and responding alleluia are first, followed by the reading of the holy gospel. Like with the first part of the liturgy, the readings are read in chant or song. After the reading of the gospel the Cherubic hymn is sung with the litany of supplication following. Afterward, praise to the Holy Trinity commences. After completing these sections of the liturgy, the mass is prepared for the consecration of the host, as only the baptized are to remain for the breaking of the bread at the table of the Lord. In preparation for the most Holy Communion, the Anaphora is sung (the Eucharistic Prayer). At this time, the Lord’s Prayer is sung followed by the bowing of heads and the Communion hymn is sung. Upon this completion, the height of the mass if experienced with Holy Communion.

Like with the Catholic Church, Holy Communion is the most important of the sacraments of the Orthodox Church. The bread and wine is consecrated by the presiding host (a member of the clergy). Like the Catholic Church as well – the Orthodox faithful believe in the real presence of the Lord in the breaking of the bread and drinking of the wine. The baptized faithful come forth to receive Holy Communion before the final act of the liturgy can begin. After receiving communion, a Litany of Thanksgiving is given followed by the Prayer at the Ambon, a reading of the Psalms and finally ending with the formal dismissal.

The Orthodox Church maintains that this is the structure of Christian worship begun since the very beginning of the Church. This much is true, but the insistence of protection of the liturgy from change is a matter of continual debate, particularly among Protestants. In this council, reforms were calling for the restructuring of the first section of the mass which is filled with the litany of entrance. Much debated, the Church leaders, like with the non-possessor movement, rejected any motion for reforms to the liturgy after a month of heated debate. At the climax of the debate of liturgical reform, the Patriarch of Alexandria stood up and gave an impassioned speech against forming the liturgy – which he claimed Mark the Evangelist had instituted when the Alexandrian congregation was first founded. While it is readily held that Mark is the founder of the Alexandrian Church, it is somewhat doubtful that the liturgy of the Early Christians also followed immediately after the apostolic creation of the early churches a decade within the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth.

This is what has been given to us by the most Holy Father – that the liturgy and practice of worship and reverence to God the Father shall not be changed without his revelation. The movements of reform do not take precedence under revelatory guidance, but with a drifting away from the most holy sacraments and a demand to alter the ancient practice of worship without pause for consideration of how things should be. Just as Athanasius stood forth in the defense of the Trinity bearing the burdens against the Arian heresy, I too stand in the tradition of the great Saint and bishop of Alexandria to call to an end to the possibility of enacting reform to the most precious liturgy.


Christ as the Center of the Mass and Liturgy, it is the upheld beliefs of the Orthodox communions, like with the Catholic Church, that the Mass and Liturgy always point to Christ - who is present, and the central focus of the mass.

This insistence to the protection of the liturgy is to some – cause for concern among Protestants who see the reverence of the liturgy, like the prayers to the saints and Holy Mother, idolatry and indicative of the spirit of Pagan worship that had infiltrated the Latin and Eastern communions. This much is false, rather, the Protestant world largely rejects the notion of an authentic Christianity before the Reformation, and if there was an ancient Christian tradition – untainted through the ages, it would be the Protestant reformers who have restored primitive Christianity in the form of – perhaps, Anabaptism or other Baptist and non-conformist traditions. The victory of the conservatives in the ongoing debate of liturgical reforms further empowered the Church.

Perhaps, the Church also benefited from the presence of the emperor at the debate of liturgical reforms. John IX, before handing over the floor to the educated men of the clergy, also gave subtle hints that he disapproved of any possible reformation to the liturgy. In this vain perhaps, the Church clergy were more prone to accept the status-quo and reject all possibilities of liturgical change. This reverence of the liturgy, which, in elaborated doctrine, points always to Christ on the crucifix and that all things done in the liturgy are done to honor and revere him – does however have a sense of mystifying truth to it. Rather than the happy seeker friendly mass of many Protestant congregations, the Orthodox Liturgy is seen as always having Christ in mind. To appreciate and to love the liturgy is to have a proper love and adoration of the Lord, for to maintain that the “liturgy is not my cup of tea” is to implicitly say, I am here for myself and not for the Lord, Jesus the Christ.

The defeat of liturgical reforms allowed the council to move to the necessary debate over the Church’s relationship with minority religions – Judaism, Mohammedanism, and Non-Chalcedon Christianity (the Armenians). The following two months of the council laid out a complex web of interaction between the Church and its relationship with brother religions and the role they would play in salvation history. In a shocking change to popular Christianity, the second half of the Council of Constantinople would cut off the Roman Empire from playing an integral role of the salvific tradition – or at least, it ended all probability and legitimacy in the never sanctioned but popular belief that the Roman Empire would last until the commencement of the eschaton.




*In the spirit of the prose that I am writing this AAR (turn of the 20th century), the liturgical reforms of Vatican II have not been implemented, hence the sentence. The Latin Mass is very mystifying, but the vernacular mass of the Catholic Church has lost much of its splendor – at least in my opinion.

^^We now crossed over 100 pages of word text for the AAR proper (not including the introduction)!
 
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