The Crusades - and failing them..

[Riddermark]

Even though the crusades are working now they still need some additional tweaking ( yeah i just cant stop ranting )

1.the speed rate at which they change - i had games that the second the city is taken - the crusade is successful screen appears And a new crusade begins.

2.the pope moves his residence before even trying to liberate roma.

and imho taking the crusader target city shouldnt be the moment when u get the huge piety bonus - you should get it when the successful crusade screen appears no?

- and about the failed crusades - currently nothing happens when u fail one, ive seen the Crusades ebb out screen numerous times - however a little while after that a new crusade starts.

wouldnt it be better to get a - crusade failed screen? and thus being penalisied for it - a little piety/prestige hit maybe?

and of course if a crusade fails THERE MUST be a increase in the MTTH for the next one - its the natural way of the ebbing out of the crusades.

ppl got dissapointed after so many failures and the enthusiasm disappeared.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

and imho taking the crusader target city shouldnt be the moment when u get the huge piety bonus - you should get it when the successful crusade screen appears no?

I agree with this, you can now conquer the target, which when you are lucky is held by a small muslim power, get the piety bonus, install a vassal in the county, which then gets dow'ed by more powerfull muslim powers, but you can just ignore his requests for help without a penalty and let the target be overrun again, while you have smacked up a 1000 piety points or something, enough to keep you current ruler pious enough for the rest of his lifetime.

 

[Riddermark]

agree with this, you can now conquer the target, which when you are lucky is held by a small muslim power, get the piety bonus, install a vassal in the county, which then gets dow'ed by more powerfull muslim powers, but you can just ignore his requests for help without a penalty and let the target be overrun again, while you have smacked up a 1000 piety points or something, enough to keep you current ruler pious enough for the rest of his lifetime.

exactly, not only that but thanks to this - one province targets ive seen the crusades being over by just taking this 1 province. Not a mass scale muslim-christian war, just for one tiny piece of land. its not right its like the muslim bohemia thing - which btw still occurs

 

[unmerged(2456)]

Even though the crusades are working now they still need some additional tweaking ( yeah i just cant stop ranting )

1.the speed rate at which they change - i had games that the second the city is taken - the crusade is successful screen appears And a new crusade begins.

I've gone games where the first crusade against Jeruselum was initiated and then....well tha's about it. 100 years later, its still a muslim stronghold and its still on the 1st crusade.

2.the pope moves his residence before even trying to liberate roma.

This is nessary.

and imho taking the crusader target city shouldnt be the moment when u get the huge piety bonus - you should get it when the successful crusade screen appears no?

Well i agree it shouldn't be as much as ending the crusade, but taking it should grant something since if it ends and its in control of a knightly order, the person who actually did all that work won't get any recognition for it.

Also the same is true if you die before the crusade ends.

- and about the failed crusades - currently nothing happens when u fail one, ive seen the Crusades ebb out screen numerous times - however a little while after that a new crusade starts.

I'm not sure what you're looking for? the only ones it could hurt is the pope and whoever called off the crusade (likely the papal controller)...i mean sometimes its just admitting you were a bit too ambitious and going after a more reasonable target, so why should that be punished?

wouldnt it be better to get a - crusade failed screen? and thus being penalisied for it - a little piety/prestige hit maybe?

new interface graphics are pretty much out and why should some backwater country be penalized?

and of course if a crusade fails THERE MUST be a increase in the MTTH for the next one - its the natural way of the ebbing out of the crusades

ppl got dissapointed after so many failures and the enthusiasm disappeared.

That's impossible.

 

[Riddermark]

I've gone games where the first crusade against Jeruselum was initiated and then....well tha's about it. 100 years later, its still a muslim stronghold and its still on the 1st crusade.

true in my last game NOT only that the first crusader target was Alexandria not Jeruaslem (no it wasnt taken) but it started around 1100.

2.the pope moves his residence before even trying to liberate roma.
This is nessary.

what bothers me here that once he had moved to the new location - the liberation of roma doesnt bring him back to Rome

Well i agree it shouldn't be as much as ending the crusade, but taking it should grant something since if it ends and its in control of a knightly order, the person who actually did all that work won't get any recognition for it.

Also the same is true if you die before the crusade ends.

right.. however ive never ever seen a crusader target become a knightly order possesion even when the city is the only crusader county. And yes maybe there should be a slightly bonus for taking it but its explotive since u can re-take it numreous times in a single war. Thats why i was pointing out you should get the glory when the city is finally yours and the crusade is officialy over.

I'm not sure what you're looking for? the only ones it could hurt is the pope and whoever called off the crusade (likely the papal controller)...i mean sometimes its just admitting you were a bit too ambitious and going after a more reasonable target, so why should that be punished?

well my few last poits are all about the failed crusade thing - why get penalisied? first of all some bacwater county shouldnt even be the crusade starter right? its usualy the papal controller who petitions for that or the pope himself.

my exact point being - failing the crusade should hit the power of the pope over the countries - since his power over them currently is none or very weakly notable maybe a prestige/piety hit for the pope himself ? - that would hurt the papal controller too.

That's impossible.

everythings possible

 

[saintsup]

IMHO, the piety penalty is not big enough to be an incentive for human player to go out crusading.

 

[ZhugeKongming]

IMHO, the piety penalty is not big enough to be an incentive for human player to go out crusading.

But insanely wealthy Muslim provinces like Alexandria and Burgos are.

And of course, there's the roleplay aspect... If I'm playing any remotely pious king, I'll donate money to crusading kingdoms whatever my financial situation, and I'll often crusade myself.