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I'm disappointed to not see a Greater Germany?

I can only wish for an Archduchy of Austria within the German Empire with Otto as Archduke aswell as King of Hungary.

Still, nice to see the Balkan War over.

in a way I see the Austria and Hungary forming into a kind of..... THIS IS TOTS NOT A AUSTRIA-HUNGARY!!! EVERYBODY THIS IS NOT AN AUSTRIA-HUNGARY!!! THIS IS HUNGARY-AUSTRIA!!! TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!! JUST AS THE GERMANS SAID!!! THIS IS NOT AN AUSTRIA HUNGARY!!! THIS IS HUNGARY-AUSTRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
seeing as Germany seems to suggest instead of unification, a kind of Personal Union as seen in EU4 terms.
I'd not be surprised though if Otto would simply wait for the things to calm down, unify the two countries once again as a proper "Hungary-Austria" and perhaps even with the chaos going on inside the Eastern Europe form a kind of mini alliance under Germany with Romania and the Czechs.

...All in order to safeguard German interest after all and totally not for self protection no siree.
 

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Uniting two so different countries, whose armies only months ago killed each other with terror bombings and poison gas? Well maybe if Otto has a death wish. We haven't had a political assassination in a long time have we? Millions of his subjects will want to kill him and everything he stands for. And imagine for a second how incredibly advantageous Otto's death would be for the regional hegemon.
 

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Now in a less hangover induced pseudopoetic nonsense:

EmpFra is involving itself (and Italy) in the Greek mess, this could develop into Italy trying to prove its legitimacy to its Union-skeptic Nationalist movements by involving itself further, with potential for either victory or yet another dismantlement.
EmpFra itself keeps playing at the Warlord Diplomacy game by intervening in civil wars to maintain their own brand of legitimacy, with a defeat meaning a spiral into doom due to all the reasons we discussed well in previous pages


The defeat and humilation of Austria has proved to Europe that revolutionary far right ideaologies are bad news, but id wager that Disgruntled Austrians would flee to Mittleafrika or Southafrica, or even the New American Order, to fester, maintain, develop, and spread it further, where the balkan wars are not an open wound.
Lets not forget, this war was the largest scale ideaology driven war since the Syndicalist wars, and the horrors inflicted might even seem greater, since the intent on targetting civilians was even greater.
Mainland Europe would remember this as a huge tragedy, while Players without much interest in the Balkans or Europe could see it as "These soft hearted effiminate Europeans are overreacting". This could easily lead to an outburst of Far Right Revolutionaries in any of these countries, in fact Mittleafrika already suffers from those, as the settlers continue to harm the German Empire's attempts at restoring peace.

Especially due to the Old Boys Purge the new Canadian PM has done, the newer minds might be part of these already!


The loose ends remaining in this world (at least the prominant ones):

1. Great Power Mexican Standoff. (Though two of the sides are already starting to Cozy up to one another)

2. Amerosul being disruptive and all around terrible.

3. Transcaucasia being a thorn in the side of Europe
 

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So Germany is just gonna allow Italy (and therefore the entente) to regain Veneto and its (I assume) major naval base? Bah! I say, drive them back to the Po where they belong.
 

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So Germany is just gonna allow Italy (and therefore the entente) to regain Veneto and its (I assume) major naval base? Bah! I say, drive them back to the Po where they belong.
Unless they want World War III, then yeah.
 

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Unless they want World War III, then yeah.

Also Austria was arguably more hostile to Germany than Italy is so its probably a net gain

The loose ends remaining in this world (at least the prominant ones):

1. Great Power Mexican Standoff. (Though two of the sides are already starting to Cozy up to one another)

2. Amerosul being disruptive and all around terrible.

3. Transcaucasia being a thorn in the side of Europe

Dont forget China vs. Japan!
 

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I'm disappointed to not see a Greater Germany?

I can only wish for an Archduchy of Austria within the German Empire with Otto as Archduke aswell as King of Hungary.

Still, nice to see the Balkan War over.


Well I wouldn't totally give up on the idea of a Greater German (Kaiser-)Reich.

Sure Grotewohl is against it but the DKP might be in favour and there is no guarantee that the SPD will win the next election. Especially with the HUGE Vietnam that is waiting to happen in Afrika. Maybe we will see a German Nixon...


No nuclear bombs -> no reason for superpowers to fund hideously expensive development of intercontinental missiles with their puny little payloads -> no spaceflight for the time being.

It will be a very, very slow development. Military think tanks will slowly develop reasons to make photo satellites and communications satellites a thing, but not before the possibilities of high flying recon aircraft are maxed out. I would say space flight will only happen in the late 1960s after someone develops interceptor missiles that can shoot down U2 type recon aircraft at 60.000 feet altitude. (and does actually shoot a few down to make the point public)

I agree. Germany might have a technological lead here. I think Canada might have more advanced high-altitude recon planes leading to the realization that photo satellites might be a way for Germany to pull ahead in the intelligence game. Canada deploying SAMs and the more advanced German rocketry actually make it likely that Germany launches the first satellite.
 

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I could see Austria finally joining Germany in a referendum in a few years, following a de-ultranationalisation process.



Space Race: Germany indeed has a BIG technological advance regarding space, so i have no doubt that the first flag on the Moon would be German.
 

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I'm really not buying that Germany and the Entente would agree against a Austro-Hungarian restoration. Otto could be very friendly towards the Entente, especially since Germany decided to FINALLY intervene far too late. The Entente has a massive chance of reducing Germany's power on the continent, especially with the Hungarians alienated.

Speaking of which, the Austrians are definitely not going to like the Germans right now. At least, the Austrians that opposed Brunner's regime that are likely leading the post-war government. The Germans will be seen as opportunists that did nothing to stop Brunner's ascension nor the war, and even the pan-Germanists should be disillusioned.
 

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I'm really not buying that Germany and the Entente would agree against a Austro-Hungarian restoration. Otto could be very friendly towards the Entente, especially since Germany decided to FINALLY intervene far too late. The Entente has a massive chance of reducing Germany's power on the continent, especially with the Hungarians alienated.

Well what did the Entente do for Otto? I think the Imperial France wants to dominate the Mediterranean and the British want to focus on North America as their power center with Australasia and Britain functioning as giant aircraft carriers in the Pacific and Atlantic respectively. Getting involved in Central Europe isn’t really in the Entente interest. Right from the beginning they seem to want to stay out of this.

The interesting thing is Russia. What is Russia doing making friends with Romania and Serbia? Trying to challenge Germany? Is Ukraine still tightly aligned with Germany or is it more cosy to russia? Petrograd could make an arc of democratic influences all the way down to Athens with the current situation
 
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Japanese colonial militia train in 'Amaru', c.1959. Japan's highly militarised culture meant its settlers throughout the Co-Prosperity Sphere could often hold their own against native resistance until help arrived from the Home Islands.
I'm not sure how martial arts training would save you from being ambushed in an alley, if a partisan cut off your heating in the winter, or if you are horribly outnumbered.

The Japanese are outnumbered in the colonies and in their own Empire.

I did a quick demographic a while ago. It was for earlier decades but I think the conclusions are still valid. It is below.

Colonization is a lot more difficult then people are assuming. It require heavy government investment and resources as well as people willing to move there. The amount of people to make a noticable demographic dent is also significant.

I'll use Japanese Cenus data from 1940 as that is the closest comparative.

The Japanese main island had a population in 1940 was 73,114,308. Not all were Japanese but about 99%.

Lets look at the major "colonies".
Korea: 24,327,326 with about 3% Japanese (This is from having a hold from 1910)
Taiwan: 5,746,959 with about 6% Japanese
Manchuria (Less accurate as there wasn't a census there): About 36,933,000 with about 3% Japanese (and there was a heavily promoted colonisation effort).

Lets add just Vietnan (not the whole of Indochina, just Vietnam).
Estimate from 1950 gives 28,264,000.

Japan now is a proper European colonial Emipre, ruling over a larger group then their own. Given the consentrated efforts in the past areas and the negligible effects I doubt Indochina will become Japanese soon short of genocide. The people there won't be too happy either, as Japan's military employed chemical warfare and probably left the countryside with burned children wondering in agony. The Phan Thị Kim Phúc picture is all the people of Indochina will see of the Japanese. If the Indias will see Canada's actions as treacherous then Japan's will be seen worse by the Indochinese. Japan would ahve to get people to live in an already densly populated area in which what they will no doubt call terrorists threaten their children's lives. People are people and not tools that blindly follow the grand designs of their government unless forced to.

Japan still has a major oil and resource problems, even worse now that the prodution capacity of the US was destroyed. Oil to fuel their navy and army is still hard to come by and will leave them with issues as it did historically.

I also doubt this Japan will liberalise willingly. Remember this Japan is basically the same of the historical axis nation that coninually and willfully commited warcrimes.

I think the Japanese are buying to much into their own martial propaganda.

Also by requiring colonists to be dedicated to the militia they are discouraging people from moving, because people are lazy. Why move from the homeland to go to a place you have to make sure your constantly in shape and worried about local resistance?

Those that go will be higher quality (especially compared to Goering's folks) but the Japanese colonial population is still incredibly small.

Of course there are "other methods" of making the Japanese a majority, but that would destroy the economic output of said colony.

In German leftist circles he is remembered as an important figure, responsible for rehabilitating the image of socialists in the Reich, while critics hold that his four-year chancellorship, though important for symbolic reasons, had few policy accomplishments.
Although Schumacher had a short reign I think he did quite a lot given that he had his only good arm tied behind his back.

A lot of his Chancellorship he had to deal with an uncooperative Kaiser over the divorce issue in a minority government.

He got economic and political reform pass and helped put momentum behind international organizations to encourage peace.Also managed to support the Danubian pact despite German imperialist objections.

His Polish response was regrettable but it doesn't seem like the Germans would accept anything else.

Overall he's better then Hassel.

Otto Grotewohl, wins the SPD party ballot to succeed him, and is appointed 14th Chancellor of Germany. Grotewohl is regarded as ideologically flexible but politically skilled.
I have a feeling that he'll last awhile. Not as a positive influence though. He'll do whatever to win reelection I expect. And the only votes to care about are those in Germany proper.

He learned from the Schumacher years that the SDP economic policy is popular but that in foreign policy the German voters still care about Imperialism. He'll probably change hte policies into bribes at home and make the rest of the Empire miserable because they can't vote. His capitulation to the military interests is a sign of this.

Of course if the situation in Mittelafika blows up he'll have to deal with that.

April 6th - In Amérosul, Che Guevara, returned from his exploratory expedition in Mittelafrika, reports to the Central Committee that the continent is ripe for anti-capitalist agitation, but the native people show a prohibitive lack of consciousness and education. In response, the External Committee of the Politburo endorse a plan to deploy African-descended Amérosulian agents to Mittelafrika to agitate and organize. Per the Politburo docket on the matter, this unit becomes known as Cadre Onze, and establishes its operations in north-west Cameroon, harassing and terrorizing local Mittelafrikan settler communities.
I guess the Machete Rebels are now the Machine gun rebels. If they are getting more organized I wonder if they'll declare an organization soon (Pan-African Liberation Council?)

Mittelafrika has control of the infrastructure, for now, but these rebels will have majority support in the population because of Goering's idiocy.

Also that's close to Entente controlled Spanish Equatorial Guinea. I wonder if there's a chance of an international incident to occurs (rebels go over the boarder and Germans invade the territory and refuse to leave for security reasons).

June 18th - In a television interview, former German chancellor Ulrich von Hassell says Germany must intervene in Austria to protect ‘co-Germans’. The comments earn an angry rebuke from the Austrian government, which promises ‘terrible vengeance’ if a German intervention is attempted.
Please stick your neck out Hassel. Hopefully when the clear image of what happened in Austria the axe falls on your neck.

I guess that's too hopeful. Though the subject in Mitteleuopa will be reminded that Germany doesn't care about them, only Germans.

June 30th - Dönitz meets with Goering at his palatial estate outside Dar es Salaam, the first high-level meeting between the German and Mittelafrikan governments since Goering’s decision to appoint himself viceroy. Goering succeeds in convincing Dönitz of the Syndicalist threat in the East, and succeeds. Dönitz returns to Berlin promising more troops.

You know I'm wondering what's stopping the German troops from just rushing Goering's palace and putting a sack over his head and dragging him back to Germany. I mean he asked for them to ddeal with the problems in Africa, and he's one of them.

Although if Goering does manage to avoid all the financial issues and Japanese entanglements I wonder what happens when he dies of old age. Technically Germany appoints his successor.
August 3rd - In Germany, after intense cabinet debate over the so-called Dönitz Report on Mittelafrika, Grotewohl agrees to double the German troop deployment in Mittelafrika to ten thousand, far fewer than the 25,000 Goering demands. Mindful that regular troops may soon be needed to stabilize the Austrian border, most of those deployed to Africa are territorial forces.
Would you clarify what the territorial forces are? Because if that they are forces from German satellites they would be another point of contention. It would make sense since those people can't vote but still that is not good for the long term.

July 11th - Elizabeth, Princess Imperial, gives birth to her second child, a son, at her husband’s family estate in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts. The infant prince is named John Edward Arthur George Windsor-Kennedy, and replaces his sister, Princess Mary, as third in line to the Imperial throne.
Isn't John considered a cursed name by the royal family?

I think he'll end up like the other little Prince John's and die young. Go to keep those superstitions alive.

This is not enough to reassure German markets, however, which plummet on the idea of another long and costly reconstruction process.
These people clearly aren't thinking strait. Think of those government contracts!

November 4th - Imperial Intelligence insert Malcolm Little, a Nebraska-born, Michigan-raised promising African-American agitator, into Alabama. Since 1953, Imperial Intelligence has been operating Operation Moses, an attempt at identifying and cultivating African Americans as a third column against the AUS.
I think if things settle in favour of the Empire they will find out like the US that the partisans you support might split from you after all is said and done.

December 1st - In Jerusalem, 12 countries sign an international agreement setting aside Antarctica as a wildlife reserve and banning military activities on the continent. The Antarctic Treaty of 1959 is the first arms-control treaty implemented since the Weltkrieg.
Boo! You took the boring option. I wanted to see Australian and Amerosulian proxy fighting amoungst the penguins.

I bet Australasia will ignore it anyway.

By the way, what happened to Adenauer, Erhard, Brandt, and the other OTL West German leaders? I imagine they would remain in similar positions as real life.
Adenauer leads the Centre Party. Not sure about the others.

Russia and Kerensky attempt to flex their diplomatic muscles in Europe. Can Russia's influence be a good thing?
I wonder if democratic Russia helping promote democracy will cause of revival of Pan-Slavism (I now Hungary and Romania aren't slavic) with a democratic bent in Germany's subjects in the east. Sort of an ironic echo with them wanting Russia to protect them from Germany instead of it being the other way around.

The 60s are coming, years of peace, love, drugs, and highly likely a space race will start soon.
Not likely on all counts.:p

Except maybe the Drugs.

No nuclear bombs -> no reason for superpowers to fund hideously expensive development of intercontinental missiles with their puny little payloads -> no spaceflight for the time being.

Also including the previously discussed geographic and economic issues it isn't happening.

Even if there are nukes it might not happen. The antagonism between Germany and Canada isn't that great and short range missles from France are good enough. Also Germany's military establishment won't pay for it.

I can only wish for an Archduchy of Austria within the German Empire with Otto as Archduke aswell as King of Hungary.
I really don't think the Hungarians would want their head of state to be technically a subject of the German Kaiser. Not after fighting a defensive war against German speakers seeking to subjugate them and seeing what happened to the Polish subjects of Germany.

I don't think Otto's opinion on the matter holds much weight. If he wants to go back to Austria he can leave while Hungary to reconstructs Hungary and Croatia.

Uniting two so different countries, whose armies only months ago killed each other with terror bombings and poison gas? Well maybe if Otto has a death wish. We haven't had a political assassination in a long time have we? Millions of his subjects will want to kill him and everything he stands for. And imagine for a second how incredibly advantageous Otto's death would be for the regional hegemon.

Yeah I imagine most of the Danubian pact is wary of Germany. They gave help but I think most know that a large portion of Germany wouldn't shed tears in the Ultranationalists got their way.

Sure Grotewohl is against it but the DKP might be in favour and there is no guarantee that the SPD will win the next election. Especially with the HUGE Vietnam that is waiting to happen in Afrika.
Not sure the DKP can win on that. Grotewohl I think will "triangulate" and use leftist economics to keep his base happy while using traditional Imperialist foreign policy to keep that portion of the electorate content.

Maybe if Goering's dealings blow up.

Speaking of which, the Austrians are definitely not going to like the Germans right now. At least, the Austrians that opposed Brunner's regime that are likely leading the post-war government. The Germans will be seen as opportunists that did nothing to stop Brunner's ascension nor the war, and even the pan-Germanists should be disillusioned.
I think most of Europe won't have a high opinion of Germany after this. They basically let this happen and made clear they have little concern for non-Germans.

Germany only cared because non-Germans were advancing on Germans.
 

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I'm not sure how martial arts training would save you from being ambushed in an alley, if a partisan cut off your heating in the winter, or if you are horribly outnumbered.

The Japanese are outnumbered in the colonies and in their own Empire.

I did a quick demographic a while ago. It was for earlier decades but I think the conclusions are still valid. It is below.

Firstly you'd be surprised how effective martial arts are at an ambush, whats with if nothing else but you being buffed up and probably knowing how to toss a proper punch at very least.

and while martial arts are not quite enough to deter partisans, knowing that every japanese house will have a katana, somebody who knows how to use it, and probably a machine gun similar to America and their guns it atleast reduces purely random acts, though more organized partisans still would do it and get away with it.

Secondly, I'd like to point out that... Japanese are not the most nice when it comes to their OTL treatment of non japanese people, so I imagine that part of what keeps the resistance down is the fear of what the Japanese would do in return....


I wonder if democratic Russia helping promote democracy will cause of revival of Pan-Slavism (I now Hungary and Romania aren't slavic) with a democratic bent in Germany's subjects in the east. Sort of an ironic echo with them wanting Russia to protect them from Germany instead of it being the other way around.

I am calling it now. Democratic Warsaw Pact. from Warsaw to Peking! Democracies and Constitutional Monarchies Unite!
 

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Firstly you'd be surprised how effective martial arts are at an ambush, whats with if nothing else but you being buffed up and probably knowing how to toss a proper punch at very least.
Most martial arts experts I know admit that if your ambushed by a bunch of people you are basically screwed :eek: unless you run. I was basing it off that.

and while martial arts are not quite enough to deter partisans, knowing that every japanese house will have a katana, somebody who knows how to use it, and probably a machine gun similar to America and their guns it atleast reduces purely random acts, though more organized partisans still would do it and get away with it.
That doesn't stop someone causing problems to a Japanese home in the middle of a winter night while the operater of said weapons is asleep.

Plus who wants to raise a family in such a situation?

Secondly, I'd like to point out that... Japanese are not the most nice when it comes to their OTL treatment of non japanese people, so I imagine that part of what keeps the resistance down is the fear of what the Japanese would do in return....
That might work if the Japanese didn't set this whole thing off in the first place. Japan threatened the Transamurians first and made resistance the option to take.

Basically my point is the Japanese let their other successes go to their head and they don't realize what the actual costs of what they are doing will be since they provoked this in the first place.
 

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@Maximus101 my reading of the Japanese colonial situation was more that the Japanese settlers were more robust than the equivalent Germans or Imperials population not that they were some kind of crazy ninja army
Well, Japanese society prior to World War II was heavily militarized, even more than the most extreme interpretation of the Second Amendment in my view. It makes sense that the militarization would continue if not be even greater in this situation.
 

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Well, Japanese society prior to World War II was heavily militarized, even more than the most extreme interpretation of the Second Amendment in my view. It makes sense that the militarization would continue if not be even greater in this situation.
Militarization means making strong minded individuals into obedient depressed suicide lovers. Strong minded, confident individuals don't make for good soldiers in militarized societies. Such societies are looking for cannon fodder "heroes" with death wish not for people who love life and want to live independently in some frontier.

Unless Japanese colonial settlements are set up so as to mimick the overbearing central control present in the homeland I can't see them having any measure of success by trying to brainwash the settlers the way they do with their soldiers. The mentality they need is that of the man who plants trees because he expects to be around when his children grow up to climb them. Not of the man who is ready to sacrifice his life at any time at the command of a superior authority. Such men do not plant trees nor do they raise children.