The Crimean Khanate event is still the worst in the game
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no when i forcefully vassalized crimea in 1.23 i got theodoro and circassia as vassals and gazikumukh as a tributary state.
Another thing, the whole march/not march is about a pretender civil war, right? So then why, if Ottomans support legitimate government, and pretenders win, do they stay a subject?
Because they had already been made tributaries by Crimea. If Gazikumukh remained a tributary, that's a bug.
I also think that there should be an option to make crimea a tributary of the ottomans, rather than a march or vassal, because the AI cannot handle it, they always annexing them, and thats a huge problem.
The Ottomans should be able to have tributaries, period. It would be far more historical.
You're a vassal, and you're a vassal. Everyone's a vassal!
You're a vassal, and you're a vassal. Everyone's a vassal!
It is new because it's a new interaction that tributaries becomes vassals when an overlord is vassalized.
Exactly. This always made no sense to me. When I first saw it I was like 'oh, maybe they spawned from some unrest penalty'. Then I saw it was coded into the event and was like...wtf?
Maybe that's actually a decent way to at least add gameplay to the event -- surrounding countries can contribute to the rebels a la the Dutch rebellion or English Civil War in order to influence the outcome.
Nope. And it can be pretty annoying to all of a sudden have 4 new vassals, when you already have 4. Not only do you lose 4 dip each month, but liberty desire goes up for all.
Another reason why this event sucks:
After the Ottos annex Crimea, it seems like every country that goes to war with them focuses on the fort in Crimea because they keep trying to evade Ottoman armies. So they just sit there trying to siege a worthless unblockaded fort while their capital gets taken.
Watch a game where this event fires. Here are the Mamluks running all the way thorugh my territory trying to evade the Ottomans while their country gets seiged:
In just this run alone I've seen this happen four times.
After the Ottos annex Crimea, it seems like every country that goes to war with them focuses on the fort in Crimea because they keep trying to evade Ottoman armies. So they just sit there trying to siege a worthless unblockaded fort while their capital gets taken.
Watch a game where this event fires. Here are the Mamluks running all the way thorugh my territory trying to evade the Ottomans while their country gets seiged:
In just this run alone I've seen this happen four times.
Well, as Muscovy, I just annexed the Great Horde, and I got their tributary Circassia as a tributary.
Another reason why this event sucks:
After the Ottos annex Crimea, it seems like every country that goes to war with them focuses on the fort in Crimea because they keep trying to evade Ottoman armies. So they just sit there trying to siege a worthless unblockaded fort while their capital gets taken.
Watch a game where this event fires. Here are the Mamluks running all the way thorugh my territory trying to evade the Ottomans while their country gets seiged:
In just this run alone I've seen this happen four times.
this is general AI problem and has nothing to do with crimea event.
lol are you still complaining about the turks? can't you live a few minutes without wanting pdx to nerf ottomans, aq, qq, crimea etc. everything related to them?
are you gonna even stop?
are you gonna even stop?
Sounds like it might be a bug related to overlord religion. Same religions become tributaries, different religions become vassals. Weird.
I get that, but the fact that the Ottomans get discontinous land exacerbates the AI problem.
I've not seen the Crimean AI accept this event in quite a while. Usually the Ottomans have to force them into submission, and I'm OK with that. It's no different than getting free claims or a vassalization CB from a mission(EX: England>Scotland).
This is after all land that The Ottomans held at some point. Ideally the AI would be programmed to let them keep march status.
This is after all land that The Ottomans held at some point. Ideally the AI would be programmed to let them keep march status.
One of the problems is that it's a dice roll for if the strongest power gets an extra direction to expand it. Its implementation is terrible too (pretender rebels that do nothing, you cannot affect them anyway), and the Crimean march becomes Ottoman territory after 12 years or so.