The Cossacks Feature Stream 1500 CET 20th November

[PhroX]

I am not sure but I think usually they are posted on the day of release.

It's usually on or a day before release day.

If I was cynical, I'd say it was to minimise the time we have to complain about major changes not covered by the dev diaries, but I'm not, so I'll make the guess that they're continuing to make changes up to the last minute

 

[Gringovoir]

It's usually on or a day before release day.

If I was cynical, I'd say it was to minimise the time we have to complain about major changes not covered by the dev diaries, but I'm not, so I'll make the guess that they're continuing to make changes up to the last minute

If I were cynical, I'd say it's to hide coring costs or AE increase

 

[ChildeR]

they're continuing to make changes up to the last minute

Even more cynical, from a QA point of view.

 

[TheDungen]

While yes it'd be nice if they could add s special mechanic for the Hansa down the line I'd very much see it as a formable tag meanwhile. If I become a really powerful hamburg or lübeck why should I be forced to form Hannover or westphalus (that tag shouldnt even be in the game it was a client state nothing more), of course a powerful german republic should be able to form the hansa.

*City leagues in HRE
*Switzerland mini-HRE
*Deeper native federations
*Japanese mini HRE
??

Not to mention a generic HRE like mechanic for imported empires from CK2.

Merchant republic fits Lübeck better, IMO.

The name perhaps but the merchant republic mechanics in eu4 are based on venice not on the german free cities.

The splitting of the Hansa might be a boon to Denmark, since normally the Danish lands tend to end up white on the map in my games. On the other hand, if the former Hansa league works together a horde of OPM's could be even more powerful than a single tag.

Again Paradox is overshooting, denmark did badly in last patch so let's remove the hansa and make sweden no longer historical rivals, get ready to see danish scandinavia blob all over northern HRE in every game.

Sorry if I sound bitter but they just removed my favourite tag and gave us nothing in return. They are seriously mistreating Niedersachsen, not only did they decide to name the culture westphallic, but now they've removed the only major tag in that part of germany that wasn't a french (Westphalus) or english (hannover) client state (never mind that there is a client state system so neither of these tags have much reason to exist any more).

 

[Hipster_on_Ice]

The name perhaps but the merchant republic mechanics in eu4 are based on venice not on the german free cities.

Not quite, the Venetians and Novgorodians both elected the Doge/Knyaz for life, the Genoese had elections every 2 years, really it seems to be a compromise between them.

Again Paradox is overshooting, denmark did badly in last patch so let's remove the hansa and make sweden no longer historical rivals, get ready to see danish scandinavia blob all over northern HRE in every game.

Denmark really shouldn't suffer a Poland-style partition only 20 years into the game.

They are seriously mistreating Niedersachsen, not only did they decide to name the culture westphallic, but now they've removed the only major tag in that part of germany that wasn't a french (Westphalus) or english (hannover) client state (never mind that there is a client state system so neither of these tags have much reason to exist any more).

If they're seriously mistreating anyone, it's probably one of the multitude of problematic ROTW regions. That being said, you're right about Westphalia, but Hannover wasn't an English client state, it was an actual state formed from the union of the Welf dominions of Braunschweig and Lüneburg. Before it was in personal union with Great Britain it was a Kurfürst, I'd call that rather significant.

 

[TheDungen]

Not quite, the Venetians and Novgorodians both elected the Doge/Knyaz for life, the Genoese had elections every 2 years, really it seems to be a compromise between them.

Well it has nothing to do with the free cities at any rate.

Denmark really shouldn't suffer a Poland-style partition only 20 years into the game.

No and as I said I think that it was correct to do something, I just think they overdid it. Actually screw denmark, the hanseatic cities will be eaten by brandenburg or pommerania, which is equally bad. Without some sort of representation of the hanseatic league they are just sitting ducks for the expansionism of more powerful neightbours... I mean start the game right now and see how well Friesland generally does (Friesland usually get's appointed to a free city).

If they're seriously mistreating anyone, it's probably one of the multitude of problematic ROTW regions. That being said, you're right about Westphalia, but Hannover wasn't an English client state, it was an actual state formed from the union of the Welf dominions of Braunschweig and Lüneburg. Before it was in personal union with Great Britain it was a Kurfürst, I'd call that rather significant.

Yeah I know I was just using hyperbole to make a point. Still loathe the fact that they called low saxon westphallian (I'll continue to call it westphallic until they change it) though. Let's name the culture from whence Otto the Great came from for a french clientstate.
Also Hannover is still inlander nonsense.

 

[earlofbrigand]

Any chance this could be put on youtube? Twitch is somewhat unreflexive.

 

[Atlantians]

I think the Hanseatic cities will all start as friends and allies, meaning they will actually be stronger than before, in any defensive war.

That is more historical than the single tag.

I still want a mechanic for them, though.

 

[TheDungen]

I think the Hanseatic cities will all start as friends and allies, meaning they will actually be stronger than before, in any defensive war.

That is more historical than the single tag.

I still want a mechanic for them, though.

And yet they all got eaten by denmark in the developer multiplayer.

 

[cahtush]

And yet they all got eaten by denmark in the developer multiplayer.

Well that's with a human player involved. If the situation was reversed then lübeck or Hamburg would have eaten Denmark.

 

[TheDungen]

Well that's with a human player involved. If the situation was reversed then lübeck or Hamburg would have eaten Denmark.

Possibly, we'll see.

And then you'd have the wierd situation where a lübeck or hamburg which has conquered all of denmark is still named for one city.

 

[Hipster_on_Ice]

Possibly, we'll see.

And then you'd have the wierd situation where a lübeck or hamburg which has conquered all of denmark is still named for one city.

To be fair, Muscovy is also named for one city.

 

[FleetingRain]

I am not sure but I think usually they are posted on the day of release.

Game will be out two Tuesdays for now, I'd expect the patchnotes on the last Friday/Monday.

 

[Atlantians]

And then you'd have the wierd situation where a lübeck or hamburg which has conquered all of denmark is still named for one city.

*cough*
Rome
*cough*

 

[TheDungen]

*cough*
Rome
*cough*

Gee I never saw that comment comming, but Rome the city state belongs to a very diffrent time from Lübeck the city state. It was really actually quite backwards when rome did it too* , but much more so in 1444. In 1444 only duchies are named for cities. Kingdoms are named for greater areas or peoples.

Spoiler: *

Back in the day of ancient mesopotamia the empires were all named for the city states that were in ascendence at the moment, but in the east that fell our of practice with the rise of centralsied empires like Persia and egypt. In the 'backwards' west cathage and rome kept on doing it though, despite transitioning to centralised realms.

To be fair, Muscovy is also named for one city.

Muscovy was a duchy, granted a grand principality but not a kingdom. Note how they when they became a kingdom (or empire depending on your pow) they changed to a name that related to the people they ruled not the capital.

 

[Atlantians]

If a tiny German city-state conquers Denmark, it has every right to say:
"Hey! Look at me! This is all Lübeck suckers! This is all Lübeck right here. All your Denmark is belongs to Lübeck."

 

[TheDungen]

If a tiny German city-state conquers Denmark, it has every right to say:
"Hey! Look at me! This is all Lübeck suckers! This is all Lübeck right here. All your Denmark is belongs to Lübeck."

If they conquered all of denmark why would they not lay claim to the danish crown? I don't think you realsie how big a deal being a king was back in those days.

Also it would not be Lübeck, Lübeck is a city, it'd still be denmark under Lübecker rule.

Then again, I don't think a republic could actually claim a crown, but there should be some way to mark the growing power of a hanseatic city state, aside from forming westphalia and becomming a monarchy (not to mention I oppose westphalia even being a tag).
Hence there should be a formation decision, control any 3 hanseatic cities*. And a certain amount of development.

Spoiler: *

Lübeck
Hamburg
Bremen
Danzig
Rostock
Stettin
Visby
Kalmar (That's småland in eu4 right?)
Riga

 

[ChildeR]

And yet they all got eaten by denmark in the developer multiplayer.

One data point shows something so it must happen always?

I think you are jumping the gun here. There's really no way to tell whether they have adjusted things too much in Denmark's favor yet. (Even if too much was well defined. What you think is too much the devs might think is too little.)

Personally I would not mind seeing some mechanics for Hansa, but the tag was not a good way to model it.

 

[TheDungen]

One data point shows something so it must happen always?

I think you are jumping the gun here. There's really no way to tell whether they have adjusted things too much in Denmark's favor yet. (Even if too much was well defined. What you think is too much the devs might think is too little.)

Personally I would not mind seeing some mechanics for Hansa, but the tag was not a good way to model it.

No but it does represent 100% of the data points we've seen thus far.

And the devs do have a history of overshooting when it comes to balance.

 

[Atlantians]

The devs do have a history of overshooting when it comes to balance.

Examples?