The Community Leader/Minister Improvement Project

[kunadam]

somehow I managed to decipher who the guy was! ) so yeah, anyway, if you think you could help with these sorts of leaders, finding the portraits, I'll gladly post up a list of them

So a Russian should give you the right spelling in cyrill and then you could search the figure legends for them.

 

[unmerged(9599)]

well post a list and someone will try. I mean someone might have something on them somewhere. Ive a book of russian generals somewhere that I could potentially hunt down if it would help.

 

[Myth]

right, here's the list pasted out of my soviet leader file:

Vlasenko
Volkov M.V.
Koyzr
Motov
Dzhakhua
Tsvetkov K.N.
Bobrov F.A.
Iakovlev A.E.
Kronik
Goriachev S.G.
Semenov A.I.
Latyshev G.A.
Akimenko A.Z.
Riazanov V.G.
Podgornyi I.D.
Rogoznyi
Terent'ev G.N.
Firsovich
Ostashenko
Kuznetsov P.G.
Ruchkin
Zherebin
Kosobutskij
Bobruk
Makhovchuk
Rubaniuk
Gorokhov S.F.
Tolstikov
Antsiferov
Bogdanov M.A.
Brailian
Chirkov P.M.
Chizhov A.V.
Dreier
Dukhanov
Golosko
Grechanyi
Grechkin
Kalinin V.I.
Karpukhin V.D.
Kolchuk
Korzhenevich
Kruze
Kulagin I.Ia.
Latyshev P.M.
Lazarev P.E.
Lozanovich
Matveev M.I.
Morozov I.K.
Ovsieko
Sazanov A.M.
Shvygin
Smirnov M.N.
Smirnov V.A.
Timoshkov
Tsepliaev
Vagin
Vovchenko I.A.
Zolotukhin N.G.
Zotov
Kuznetsov F.I.
Korobkov B.M.
Kabanov S.I.
Vorontsov M.A. (navy)
Yeroshenko V.N. (navy)

/edit: and a new US leader to announce:

Tinker - air leader, begins '41, 1/5 carpet bomber, historically dies in '42 during Midway.

/edit 2: I may as well make this a holisitic picture-asking post.

ENG:
Spooner
Simmons
Harley
Bond L.V.
Pope
Tilly
Hawkesworth
Welsh
Ford
Morse
(these following should have been provided with ARMA iirc, but they disappeared from my directory in a fit of temporary insanity)
Sir Thomas Inskip
Sir Andrew Duncan
Hengry Margesson

FRA:
Dody

GER:
Postel
Dönicke
Falkenstein
Berger G.

LAT:
Penikis M.

JAP:
Fukei(/Fukuye)
Takata (navy)
Yokoyama S.
Hara K. (navy)
Horiuchi (air)
Sakai K.
Suzuki Shigeyasu
Joshima (navy)
Obayashi (navy)
Kita Seichi

USA:
Dawley
Lowry
Claude C. Bloch

 

[von_Ysselstein]

Unofortunately i have no pics for any of them . I have added 80 soviet new leaders my own so far and have pics for most of them... At least theres a page for Soviet war heros that got some nice pics but overall the sources are very meager

Russian Military Biographical Site

Kursk 1943 Soviet Commanders

Missing commanders i added (source: Military literature, http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/ ) - all over, about 70 land cdrs + 10 aircdrs, Majority (divisional) tank and guards leaders. The code will screw up if i paste from csv-file so heres just the names

Ilichov;
Onjanov;
Dragunski;
Radzievsky;
Antipenko;
Perkhorovich;
Managarov;
Isajev;
Fomichenko;
Mikhalizyn;
Nekrassov;
Tjelakov;
Grigoriev;
Popiel;
Yenshin;
Khljupin;
Grishchenko;
Mikhailov;
Khaydarov;
Borisenko;
Bilaonov;
Dzotsiev;
Gromov;
Golubov;
Pokryshkin;
Khrukin;
Juganov;
Savitskij;
Brazhnikov;
Nesterov;
Yushkevich;
Kirjukhin;
Andrjushchenko;
Vinokurov;
Zvetajev;
Shatilov;
Nikolyukin;
Kalinichenko;
Stepanets;
Kimov;
Ivasechko;
Ovsiannikov;
Fedishchev;
Kuzminov;
Horetski;
Kosygin;
Epiphanov;
Yagodkin;
Chernyshevski;
Lukashov;
Bezzubov;
Starikov;
Ibyansky;
Petrushanko;
Gryaznov;
Kazanin;
Bakhrameev;
Negoda;
Zherebin;
Asafov;
Zalizyuk;
Firsov;
Bilyutin;
Shugeyev;
Rossly;
Drygemov;
Perevertkin;
Jushuk;
Karzhavin;
Suchov;
Khomenko;
Oleshev;
Glagolev;
Shvetsov V.I.;
Korotkov G.P.;
Gerasimenko;

 

[ADukes]

How about colored leader pictures?

 

[Myth]

found Kozak and Kotov!

von_Ysselstein, would you mind sending me your soviet leader and portrait files, so that I could add them all into my own (email in profile)? I've added a few or your leaders already--Radzievskij, Managarov, Pokryshkin (also as a tech team), Rosly and Glagolev and a couple others are also in my list of missing pictures I believe but I wouldn't mind getting the rest of them

How about colored leader pictures?

I'm personally against colored pictures, so all mine are and will be black-and-white. dunno about Phoenix Dace. though, to be fair, the majority of the leaders we'll be adding will probably be more rather than less obscure, so less likely to have been taken colored photos of.

 

[von_Ysselstein]

German Leaders

Missing german commanders - i added about 150 i will name the most significant here that really should be included and lack in vanilla, air and land
Have pics for all of them. Heres the shortlist:
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Army:

Hoffmann-Schönborn - skill 2/5 Stormartillery Ace, Piercer of Metaxas Line, Head of Stormartillery School, Formed 18th Volksgrenadier Div and lead 5th PzDiv to the bitter end. MajGen: 1944, FB

Landgraf - skill 2/5 Panzerleader , GenMaj 1940, GenLt 1942 death 1944

Jollasse - skill 3/6 Panzerleader , GenMaj 1943, GenLt 1945

Hoppe - skill 3/6 Off Doctr (Storming of Dunaburg as Colonel IIRC), GenMaj 1942, GenLt 1943

Mikosch - Have him as well, GenMaj 1943 was promoted GenLt in 1945, was Pionier , PanzerGrenadier- and Panzercommander and fortification master so give him PL, ENG + DD

von Rittberg - East Front Infantry Ace skill 2/8 WS,DD,OD GenMaj 1942, GenLt 1943 death 1944

Siebert - Midwar Corpscdr skill 2/5 OD GenMaj 1939, GenLt 1941 Gen 1943

Blümke- East Front Infantry Ace skill 3/6 OD,DD GenMaj 1944

Wüstenhagen - East Front Infantry Ace skill 3/7 OD,DD GenMaj 1943, GenLt 1944

Sauerbrey - East Front Infantry Ace skill 3/7 OD,DD GenMaj 1943, GenLt 1944

Nedtwig - East Front Infantry and Panzerleader skill 3/7 OD,DD GenMaj 1943, GenLt 1944

Trowitz - East Front Infantry Ace skill 3/7 OD,DD GenMaj 1943, GenLt 1944

Scheuerpflug - East Front Infantry Ace skill 3/7 WS,OD,DD GenMaj 1943, GenLt 1944

Thomaschki - Latewar Corpscdr skill 3/7 LW,DD GenMaj 1942, GenLt 1943 Gen 1945 Outstanding Performance at Lake Ladoga, Volchov river and in defense of Courland Pocket

Krakau- Gebirgsjaeger in Finland+Norway skill 2/6 CO GenMaj 1942, GenLt 1943

von Buttlar-Brandenfels - Late War Panzerleader (Dunno is he included in vanilla)

Zollenkopf - Late War Panzerleader skill 2/5 PL GenMaj 1945

Langkeit- Late War Panzerleader skill 2/5 PL GenMaj 1945

Mummert - Late War Panzerleader skill 2/5 PL GenMaj 1945

von Nostitz-Wallwitz - Late War Panzerleader skill 2/5 PL GenMaj 1944 Death 1945

von Oppeln-Bronikowski - Late War Panzerleader skill 3/7 PL GenMaj 1944 Knights Cross for outstanding performance with far understrength tank and Grenadier units from scratch , defensive successes in Hungary, Silesia, Saxony

Westhoven - Mid War Panzerleader skill 3/7 PL GenMaj 1940 GenLt 1942

Schulte-Heuthaus - Trickster (Brandenburg Divisional Cdr) skill 2/7 GenMaj 1942 GenLt 1944

von Gottberg - SS Policegeneral Lead succesful Battlegroup on Eastern Front skill 2/5 OD GenMaj 1942 GenLt 1943 Gen 1944

Jeckeln - SS Policegeneral Lead succesful Battlegroup and Defender of Festung Frankfurt Bridgehead(Oderfront) skill 2/5 DD GenMaj 1933 GenLt 1936 Gen 1941 startyear 1944

von Scholz - Nordland Divisional Cdr skill 3/7 OD,DD GenMaj 1942 GenLt 1944 Death 1944

Kammler - SS General V-Weapons Commander (Organizational Talent) skill 4/7 Carpet Bomber GenMaj 1942 GenLt 1944 Gen 1945

Schmedes - SS Artillerist Leader Police Division and 36 SS Div skill 2/5 FB GenMaj 1943

Ziegler J. - Nordland Divisional Cdr skill 3/5 PL GenMaj 1943

Hampel - Waffen-SS Mountaineer Balkans skill 2/6 CO GenMaj 1944

Schmidhuber - Waffen-SS Mountaineer Balkans (Volunteer Division Cdr) skill 2/5 CO GenMaj 1944

Schreiber - Waffen-SS Mountaineer Finland and Germany skill 2/6 CO GenMaj 1945

Bohnstedt - skillful Defender Demyansk Pocket againhst overwhelming odds as InfantryDivCdr skill 2/5 WS,DD GenMaj 1940 GenLt 1941 death 1945

Versock - Inspector coastal Defenses ArmyDetachment Narva, Fortification commander in Courland, General of Engineers, Succesful Danube crossing in Operation Konrad Jan 1945 skill 3/6 ENG, DD, WS GenMaj 1943 GenLt 1943 Gen 1944


Airforce:

Seidemann - Commander VIII Fliegerkorps/Luftflotte VI skill 2/7 TB GenMaj 1942 GenLt 1944 Gen 1945

Helbig - Highly Skilled Commander Lehrgeschwader Units in Mediterranean, FD,TB skill 3/8 GenMaj 1942 GenLt 1945

Kuhlmey - Outstanding Commander combined Bomber and Stuka Units in Russia and Finnland, TB skill 3/6 GenMaj 1943

Deichmann - Commander various Fliegerkorps/Luftflotte I/IV skill 2/7 TB GenMaj 1942 GenLt 1944 Gen 1945

Gollob - Succeeded Adolf Galland as General of Fighters, Attack leader West during Operation Bodenplatte , ST,TB skill 3/8 GenMaj 1945



Also added DD to Gille for self-sacrificing Defense of his troops at Kowel and Warsaw he is now PL,DD

Same for von Saucken Corps Commander Großdeutschland Panzerkorps and Commander of Army of East Prussia

Changed Heilmann (Airforce commander) to land commander with commandotrait, he actually commanded paratroopers not airwings

Removed Commandotrait from Volckamer von Kirchensittenbach, added engineer trait (was Jaeger Div Cdr, Armycorps not Mountaincorps Cdr and lead 16th Army in Courland in the end)

Added PL to Fremerey, He is Engineer and Panzerleader now (for historical reasons)

Remove PL from von Pappenheim, he commanded Jager Division never any armor

Remove CO from von Hünersdorff (Add PL instead), he commanded 6th Panzer Division not Para or Mountain troops

Add TB to Dessloch, Cdr IV Fliegerkorps and Cdr of tankkiller Luftflotte IV at Kursk


So far by now thats not everything but it gives you an idea

 

[von_Ysselstein]

found Kozak and Kotov!

von_Ysselstein, would you mind sending me your soviet leader and portrait files, so that I could add them all into my own (email in profile)? I've added a few or your leaders already--Radzievskij, Managarov, Pokryshkin (also as a tech team), Rosly and Glagolev and a couple others are also in my list of missing pictures I believe but I wouldn't mind getting the rest of them

Great! Sure thing stuff is underway


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Sorry. The email function has been disabled by the administrator.

Couldnt send item

 

[Phoenix Dace]

I figured I might as well hop on the bandwagon and add my list of pictureless leaders. With the small exception that all these ones will be ones that are actually in the CLMIP right now. These are the leaders we've added without pictures, and are therefore also the ones left out of the ARMA 1.1 patch.

As well, most of these leaders are 1/4s because we couldn't find any information on them. If you have any information or pictures, please post them.

Canada:
Browne
Constantine
Dewar
Elkins
Ganong
Graham
McDonald
Odlum
Page
Potts
Renaud
Stein
Turner

Germany:
Postel

Italy:
Casardi
Accoretti
Bernotti
Brenta
Fiorovanzo
Marenco di Moriondo
Nomis di Pallone
Porzio Giovanola
Sansonetti
Adami-Rossi
Ademollo
Alagia
Aliberti
Angioj
Argentino
Arisio
Armando
Armellini F.
Assanti
Azzi
Babini
Babino-Rossi
Baldassare
Balotta
Bancale

Japan:
Haraki K.
Horiuchi
Sakai K.
Suzuki (Shigeyasu)
Yokoyama S.
Kajioki
Kusaka R.
Joshima
Obayashi

That's the grand total list for the current CLMIP files.

And by the way, I'm generally opposed to coloured pictures, since they can't be found for all leaders so they seem out of place, and since they just don't seem like they fit in with the game.

 

[Phoenix Dace]

Oh, and so you guys know - I got a PM from one of the CORE guys, and they're going to take a look at our work and probably merge it with their mod for some release in the not-so-distant future.

And also, von_Ysselstein, would you mind uploading those pictures somewhere so I can download them? I was going to get some work done on Germany today but then I realized it would be stupid to do a small patch when I could add all those leaders - but you said you have pictures for them, and I'd rather add the pictures while I add them. So if you can upload those pictures sometime soon, I can get a Germany 1.1 patch out.



Finally, any input on Mark Clark (American leader) would be appreciated. I was reading about the Italian campaign and discovered he was a very incompetent general. Given he's Skill 4 in-game, I'd like to get some opinions on him.

For some quick info: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wayne_Clark ) though it's not very in-depth. I'm taking info from A War to Be Won, and it's got some good information on him.

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

I'd disagree on some of the proposed additions for Germany. My main research has been re: the SS so for the most part that is where I will comment:

von Oppeln-Bronikowski: Included in Vanilla already AFAIK as #537 w/ a 1945 start. I see some info showing he held divisional command in 1944 for an unspecified period, but his promotion to general came in early 1945 according to my source.

von Gottberg: The references I've seen on this guy indicate he was more of a specialist in "suppressing partisans" (read into this what you want) than a real military commander. If included at all 1 is very generous.

Jeckeln: Another specialist at supressing partisans. Served as a lower ranking Waffen-SS officer at war start and didn't command front line troops until 1945 as far as I can tell. May have performed ok in that role as the references I've seen are more concerned with what he did commanding SS-Einsatzgruppen units.

von Scholz: AFAIK he didn't get a promotion to general equivalent or actually command a division until 1943. In the summer of 1944 he was still a divisional commander when he was KIA. By all accounts an excellent commander. I'd definitely agree on the 3 and the DD but think the OD is questionable and the dates should be MG43/LG45 w/ a possible GEN later.

Schmedes: Commanded the 4. SS for a very short period in 1943. During this timeframe the unit was converting/regrouping and was not in combat except for a Kampfgruppe that remained on the East Front. Again commanded the unit in 1944, so I think this is a better start choice. I can find no evidence of him ever being involved with reducing a real fortification. I'd also allow a higher final level than 5 as he seems pretty competant.

Ziegler J.: There are already 2 leaders by this name in Vanilla at #371 and #983 so he might not be missing at all. Was not a division commander unitil 1944 (replaced KIA von Scholz) and looks more like a 2/6 DD for his performance in Kurland.

Hampel: Yes, he commanded "mountain" troops but this was the 13. SS Handschar, possiblly the worst unit in the SS and certainly not of commando quality. At best a 1 IMO.

Schmidhuber: Another "mountain" commander in name only. IMO a 1 w/ no CO trait.

Schreiber: A "division" commander for 1 month in 1945 but only held regiment commander rank and according to Feldgrau the unit was in "reserve" during this period so he may never have led the unit in combat.

Gille: Concur on DD/PL. I rate him a 4 as well, though this may be from Vanilla.

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[Myth]

Finally, any input on Mark Clark (American leader) would be appreciated. I was reading about the Italian campaign and discovered he was a very incompetent general. Given he's Skill 4 in-game, I'd like to get some opinions on him.

I have him at 2/6 OD, ideal lt gen. some of his ideas were decent enough, but he wasn't the type of guy to command a multinational army, much less front. and his superior, Alexander (ENG), also wasn't so impressive and is at 2/6 DD, ideal mj gen.

and I have to say, seeing other people contributing is great

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

Here are some suggestions for GER Sea Wolfs. I don't have your package installed just yet so there may be some duplication with what you have done. These are all of the SW I use at CORE as some of the Vanilla ones are not well suited to this trait IMO. Each of these men actually commanded a SS Flotilla during the war and most of them are KC holders from their exploits as boat commanders. I recommend setting all of these leaders as RA to limit the size of SS Flotillas to something close to what was done ITRW.

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Dönitz 1930 5/9
Ibbeken 1937 3/9
Looff 1937 3/9
Rösing 1938 1/6
Sobe 1938 1/7
von Friedeburg 1939 4/8
Hartmann 1939 4/8
Sohler 1940 3/9
Fischer 1940 3/9
Eckermann 1940 3/9
von Stockhausen 1941 3/9
Oehrn 1941 3/9
Moehle 1941 3/9
Cohausz 1941 3/9
Schultze V. 1942 3/8
Schultze H. 1942 3/8
Liebe 1942 3/8
Lehmann-Willenbrock 1942 3/9
Frauenheim 1942 3/9
Topp 1943 3/9
Scholtz 1943 3/9
Schnee 1943 3/9
Rosenbaum 1943 2/6
Merten 1943 3/9
Hardegen 1943 3/9
Lüth 1944 3/9
Brandi 1944 3/9
Suhren 1945 3/8

 

[Myth]

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Couldnt send item

ah, well. lukasmilevski@gmail.com. you can send everything you have, SOV and GER

 

[Phoenix Dace]

I have him at 2/6 OD, ideal lt gen. some of his ideas were decent enough, but he wasn't the type of guy to command a multinational army, much less front. and his superior, Alexander (ENG), also wasn't so impressive and is at 2/6 DD, ideal mj gen.

Bold mine.

Is the 'ideal' column ideal rank or ideal skill? I always thought it was ideal skill and that it affects how fast experience is gained in combat based on how far from the ideal skill the leader is. I have in fact witnessed on several occasions this in action - for example, the Italian admiral Cavagnari, who I made a 1/7 with a high 'ideal' stat, was a skill 3 admiral by around 1941 after only fighting in the Med, and gained experience very quickly during my (Australian) battles with him in the Red Sea. As another example, Yamamoto has an 'ideal' of 0, and gains experience inordinately slowly regardless of rank - which is a good representation. And speaking of which, I thought of a solution to our Yamamoto dispute, which would be to remove Superior Tactician from him - he was undoubtedly an amazing strategist and doctrinal pioneer, and in my opinion is deserving of a skill of 5, but he had some issues with tactics - this would keep him at skill 5, representative, but remove the 'superb at tactics' connotation ST brings with it, that doesn't represent him accurately.

Alexander I always thought was a much more competent general than 2/6 would suggest. In my rereading of A War To Be Won, he comes off quite well, although it does criticize him saying that 'he was never able to control Montgomery effectively, and Clark proved no more cooperative'. Inability to control subordinates, shown multiple times throughout the war (despite the stubbornness and impersonability of both Clark and Montgomery), is a weakness, but I always thought he had an excellent grasp of tactics and strategy on their own - e.g. a good low-level commander, but not suited to higher-level posts. I'd probably make him a skill 4/7 or something of the sort.


dec152000, thanks a bunch for your input! I'd be interested in seeing some discussion between you and von_Ysselstein about those SS leaders before I implement them, because I'm not the best with German generals and you two are obviously more informed than me on this group. As well, do you have any additional information on the SW admirals? e.g. which ones are pre-existing admirals who are changed and why, which are new (and with pictures or not?) and which admirals had SW removed and why? It'll help a lot. Thanks!

 

[Myth]

Bold mine.

Is the 'ideal' column ideal rank or ideal skill? I always thought it was ideal skill and that it affects how fast experience is gained in combat based on how far from the ideal skill the leader is. I have in fact witnessed on several occasions this in action - for example, the Italian admiral Cavagnari, who I made a 1/7 with a high 'ideal' stat, was a skill 3 admiral by around 1941 after only fighting in the Med, and gained experience very quickly during my (Australian) battles with him in the Red Sea. As another example, Yamamoto has an 'ideal' of 0, and gains experience inordinately slowly regardless of rank - which is a good representation. And speaking of which, I thought of a solution to our Yamamoto dispute, which would be to remove Superior Tactician from him - he was undoubtedly an amazing strategist and doctrinal pioneer, and in my opinion is deserving of a skill of 5, but he had some issues with tactics - this would keep him at skill 5, representative, but remove the 'superb at tactics' connotation ST brings with it, that doesn't represent him accurately.

iirc ideal rank is the threshold rank--beneath and at it he'll gain experience optimally whereas above it he'll gain it slower (than, say, a comparable leader with an ideal at that next rank). and yes, I agree with this solution for Yamamoto.

Alexander I always thought was a much more competent general than 2/6 would suggest. In my rereading of A War To Be Won, he comes off quite well, although it does criticize him saying that 'he was never able to control Montgomery effectively, and Clark proved no more cooperative'. Inability to control subordinates, shown multiple times throughout the war (despite the stubbornness and impersonability of both Clark and Montgomery), is a weakness, but I always thought he had an excellent grasp of tactics and strategy on their own - e.g. a good low-level commander, but not suited to higher-level posts. I'd probably make him a skill 4/7 or something of the sort.

I don't have the time right now, but when I get back from work I'll pull out some quotes by Alanbrooke on him. he was...pretty damning about Alexander.

/edit: I actually do have a bit of time now. "Alexander...had many very fine qualities but no great strategic vision. he had been carried by Montgomery through North Africa as regards the strategic and tactical handling of teh situation...it was very doubtful whether he was fit to command his Army" (384-5)
more will come later, now I have to get ready to go!

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

I can try and develop the exact change info on the GER SW here in a few days. Right now I don't have the Vanilla leader file available anymore so I'll need to reinstall my HOI2 to get it. Since we're close to releasing CORE 0.30 I'll do that after we send that out the door. But most of those leaders are completely new and almost all of them do have pics available. The vast majority of "changed" leaders were simply the removal of SW from leaders that did not command SS units in WW2. I will add that a lot of these guys were not in fact "Admirals" and instead held the rank Kapitän-zur-See. This was the normal rank of a flotilla commander. In that capacity they would have been responsible for up to around 20 boats.

BTW, Myth is correct, it is an Ideal Rank and his description of how this works is dead on IIRC.

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[von_Ysselstein]

von Gottberg: The references I've seen on this guy indicate he was more of a specialist in "suppressing partisans" (read into this what you want) than a real military commander. If included at all 1 is very generous.

Jeckeln: Another specialist at supressing partisans. Served as a lower ranking Waffen-SS officer at war start and didn't command front line troops until 1945 as far as I can tell. May have performed ok in that role as the references I've seen are more concerned with what he did commanding SS-Einsatzgruppen units.

Hey dec152000 you HSR veteran so you stick with CORE now i should have known

Yes these guys were mainly Antipartisan specialists, in game terms similiar to von dem Bach-Zelewski. Nonetheless they all were SS-Armycorps Commanders towards the end of the war. I'd say youre probably right in reducing skill to 1, but i read that at least v Gottbergs battlegroup was crucial in plugging gaps in the front during 44 Soviet summer offensive performing quite well then. Startdate for Jeckeln i have by 1944 btw

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

Yes, been done with HSR for over a year. Aregorn was not interested in the actually working mod anymore but still wanted total control. So it was time to go.

Re: Jeckeln here is what I've got on him. It's just from the Wiki so it may be missing a bit of his career:

"When World War II began, Jeckeln was called up to active duty in the Waffen-SS. As was the practice in the SS, Jeckeln took a lower rank from his Allgemeine position and served as an officer in Regiment 2 of the Totenkopf Division. In 1941, however, his front line service was terminated and was called in by Heinrich Himmler to serve as Higher SS and Police Leader of Eastern Russia. The main purpose of this assignment was to serve as supreme commander of the SS-Einsatzgruppen which were performing mass murders in the region and to also crush partisan activity.

In February 1945, now a General der Waffen-SS und Polizei, Jeckeln was appointed to command the SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Korps."

IMO the modeling of any Allgemeine SS types is borderline realistic. If they are used it will probablly not be for the sort of duties they were attending to historically. So I'd use start dates based on when they take command of a proper Waffen SS formation of divisional level or greater. Even then their usefulness in game is going to be almost nil as GER is not exactly so short on leaders that they need average/below average commanders.

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[Umbriel]

IMO the modeling of any Allgemeine SS types is borderline realistic. If they are used it will probablly not be for the sort of duties they were attending to historically. So I'd use start dates based on when they take command of a proper Waffen SS formation of divisional level or greater. Even then their usefulness in game is going to be almost nil as GER is not exactly so short on leaders that they need average/below average commanders.

I agree that Allgemeine SS ranks are meaningless in game terms (I've posted a few examples here earlier), but I think that it is appropriate to include some of these low-life "partisan fighters" in the game at their Waffen SS ranks, since their chief role (with the limited skills they should have) will likely end up being the command of garrison units, as it was historically. They did actually command forces in the field, unlike many of the geriatric staff and technical officers already padding the Wehrmacht officer lists.

I like your list of submarine commanders -- From what I've seen, practically no Kriegsmarine officers of actual Rear Admiral rank or greater really have a claim to "Seawolf" status. The only downsides I see are:

1) A player might build up one of these commanders to a high degree of expertise, and then unrealistically reassign him to a surface command. The unlikelihood of any of them being promoted through the logjam of dead wood in the Kriegsmarine ranks might limit the problem anyway, though.

2) The same principle should probably apply to other navies as well -- Anybody have names and pictures for all the Captains in the US and Japanese submarine fleets? :wacko:


Finally, I don't think Dönitz should be demoted under your proposal -- he did historically end up in command of the entire Kriegsmarine, after all. And I don't even it would be so unrealistic for him to have such a large number of flotillas under direct command, given that I believe he was prone to micromanage the major "wolfpack" engagements in the Battle of the Atlantic.