The Community Leader/Minister Improvement Project

[kunadam]

New Hungarian Land commanders part 2

Benke József : Rank: 37 Skill: 1/5
Deseö-Rödl Rezső : Rank: 38 Skill: 1/6 Engineer Death date 1963
Horváth József : Rank: 38 Skill: 0/5 Defensive
Horvay Artúr : Rank: 38 Skill: 0/5
Bittó Dezső : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/4, Death date: 1956
Hager Ottó : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/5
Michnay Géza : Rank: 39 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1950
Nagysolymosy Gyula : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/4 OG, Death date 1950
Paksy Ernő : Rank: 39 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1956
Reiter József : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1950
Solymossy János : Rank: 39 Skill: 1/5
Szütsy Imre : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/4 Defensive, Death date 1944
Tarninger István : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4 Logistic
Ternegg János : Rank: 39 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1952
Thold Dezső : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1942
Török Kálmán : Rank: 39 Skill: 2/6
Zalay Károly : Rank: 39 Skill: 1/5
Beleznay Győző : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1947
Fáy Elemér : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1955, Offensive
Góthay Béla : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/5
Heim Géza : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1942
Horváth Ferenc : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1945
Hunfalvay Elemér : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/5
Kiskéry Lóránd : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4
Kölley Ernő : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5
Komposcht Nándor : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5, Defensive
Kováts Kálmán : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4
Legeza János : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/6, Death date 1953
Lemberkovits Alajos : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4
Madaras Béla : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1950
Máriay Aladár : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4
Németh Imre : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/6, Death date 1946
Osskó Károly : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4
Peterdy Pál : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1950
Rábay István : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1950
Sáray Ferenc : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4, Defensive, Death date 1949
Schelken Lajos : Rank: 40 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1944
Syposs János : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1959
Vécsey Aladár : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1950
Weinmann Győző : Rank: 40 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1953
Farkas Ferenc : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4
Huszár Ágoston : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4, Defensive
Illésházy Gábor : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/3, Death rate 1956 (He was commanding the 12th Light Division in the 2nd Army. He was replaced because of inconpetence)
Kovács Károly : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4
Kovács Tibor : Rank: 41 Skill: 1/6
Oláh József : Rank: 41 Skill: 1/5
Pintér Aladár : Rank: 41 Skill: 1/5, Commando
Sajó János : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4
Stemmer László : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4, Engineer
Szécsy Imre : Rank: 41 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1951
Sziklay György : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4, Commando
Tilger Ferenc : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4
Vasady Ernő : Rank: 41 Skill: 0/4, Trickster
Berecz Sándor : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4
Csiby Kálmán : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1956
Deseö László : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/5, Death date 1948
Gerlóczy László : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/6,
Ginzkey Oszkár : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1944
Hanke Vilmos : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1945
Kesseö László : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/6, Death date 1952
Lehoszky Gyula : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/5
Mindszenty János : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1956
Murahidy Gusztáv : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/5, Engineer
Nagy Gábor : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/5, Engineer
Náray Antal : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/5
Perey László : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4, Defensive, Death date 1957
Poltáry Vilmos : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4, Defensive
Pongrácz Pál : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/5
Solymossy Ulászló : Rank: 42 Skill: 2/6
Szabadhegyi Ferenc : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4, Defensive
Szabó László II : Rank: 42 Skill: 2/6
Tanító Béla : Rank: 42 Skill: 2/6
Tolnay Dezső : Rank: 42 Skill: 2/6, Trickster
Újlaky Jenő : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4
Újszászy István : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/6
Ungár Károly : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/6
Vándorfy Kálmán : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/5, Engineer
Vasváry Frigyes : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/6
Vidos Géza : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/5, Engineer
Vukováry György : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/6
Zsombolyay Béla Z. : Rank: 42 Skill: 1/6, Panzer leader
Bokross László : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/5
Budaházy Mihály : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/4
Cseke Mihály : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5
Gergely Zoltán : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/5, Fortress buster
Gerlóczy Gábor : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/5
Gesztessy Ákos : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/5, Death date 1956
Hankovzsky Gyula : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/6
Istóka Dezső : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/6
Jordán János T. : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/6, Offensive
Kanotay Mihály : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/4
Kozma Zoltán : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5
Lóskay Ferenc : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5, Commando
Magyar Pál : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5, Death date 1958
Matláry Árpád : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5, Logistic
Mészöly Elemér : Rank: 43 Skill: 2/6
Pentsy Zoltán : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5
Pinczés Zoltán : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/4, Defensive
Pötze Dezső : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5
Szász Ferenc : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/6, Commando
Szombathy Pál : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/5
Tarnaváry Árpád : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/4
Temesvári Endre : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/4, Defensive
Tömöry Jenő : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/6
Zákó András : Rank: 44 Skill: 1/6
Zsedényi Zoltán : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/6, Panzer leader
Benda Antal : Rank: 44 Skill: 1/5
Burget Lajos : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5, Fortress buster
Bátky József : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4, Defensive
Deseö Gusztáv : Rank: 44 Skill: 1/6, Engineer
Gecsányi Ágoston : Rank: 44 Skill: 1/6
Hargittay Henrik : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4, Trickster
Hárosy Teofil : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5, Fortress buster
Haynal Alajos : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4
Hódosy Pál : Rank: 44 Skill: 1/4, Defensive
Horny Ernő : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5, Engineer
Karátsony László : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/6, Death date 1951
Kisfaludy József : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5, Logistic
Lajtay János : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5, Offensive
Makray Sándor : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/6, Commando
Mikófalvy Ferenc : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5, Panzer leader
Miskey László : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4
Molnár László : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5
Molnár László adorjánházi : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4
Németh Béla : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5
Olchváry-Milviusz Attila : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/3, Defensive, Death date 1954
Sasady Arthur : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4, Defensive, Death date 1950
Tölgyesy Győző : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4, Defensive, Death date 1957
Vadászy István : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4, Defensive, Death date 1947
Záray Emil : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/4, Engineer
Pachner László : Rank: 44 Skill: 0/5
Böckl József : Rank: 35/37 Skill: 0/4, Death date 1941
Szűcs Endre : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/4
Magasházy László : Rank: 36 (really 37) Skill: 0/4, Death date 1959, OG
Falka Ferenc : Rank: 39 Skill: 0/4
Király András : Rank: 41 Skill: 1/5, Offensive
Dépold Miklós : Rank: 42 Skill: 0/4, OG, Defensive
Ehrlich Géza : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/5, Defensive
Fehér Géza : Rank: 43 Skill: 1/7, Commando, Offensive
Remesy Béla : Rank: 43 Skill: 0/4
Horváth Győző : Rank: 44 Skill: 1/6
Perczel Olivér : Rank: 35 Skill: 0/4, OG

The file have been updated
ramet.elte.hu/~kunadam/hoi2/hungarianleader.zip

So far all active land leader had been covered. What will follow is land leaders extrapolated to and in office in the 45-56 period.
And then air leaders.

 

[Myth]

excellent, I've already downloaded and installed it all!

 

[unmerged(29718)]

when is it possbile to download all changed commanders of hungary . i don't see a any upgrades or where i can download the latest versions of climp.

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ok i saw it "ramet.elte.hu/~kunadam/hoi2/hungarianleader.zip" , but can you do that always on the first page ?! it is easier to find

 

[kunadam]

Have you seen our work being part of the new Armageddon patch! The mod went official!!!
I just need to get my hand on an Armageddon to see what did they include in the end.

 

[Myth]

yep, I've seen it. quite cool! now we just need to get back to work
since I'm reading The 900 Days by Harrison Salisbury, I'll be contributing more Soviet leaders.

not that many currently, but here are the new guys:

Kabanov S.I. - 1/5 defensive doctrine, '40/'41
Korobkov B.M. - 1/5 panzer leader, '38/'40/'41
Kuznetsov F.I. - 1/4, '38/'40'/41, ideal rank mj general (oh, if only I could put it lower...)
Zotov - 1/5 engineer from '41

hopefully there'll be more as I read further, only I'm not having much time or inclination to read as I've got a quite strenuous summer job

 

[Gormadoc]

This work looks extremely good and well documented. Only just discovered it after paradox used some of it in armageddon v1.1. I have a couple off questions though. Apparently the view off Douglas MacArthurs skill as a general seems to be he was crap. How come, The Inchon landings in korea was his idea as far as i know, a lott of american generals and admirals tried to persuade him to not do it, they thought it was over ambitious. The landings was a complete succes with almost no casualties and completely turned the war in korea around. Instead of fighting all the way up north from Busan in the south the UN forces (well US forces mostly) could literally unopposed advance north since the North koreans was scrambling in full retreat north to avoid be cut off.

Iam not saying he was an über commander but iam a bit surprised about the very negative view on him.

second, is the amount off British admirals with old guard trait really representative of british naval commanders ?

 

[Gormadoc]

Have you seen our work being part of the new Armageddon patch! The mod went official!!!
I just need to get my hand on an Armageddon to see what did they include in the end.

Well compared to DD 1.3a there is 97 new Hungarian leaders. 8 canadian, 4 Italian, some menghuko, some Manchoku, some British leaders. 2 or 4 japanese leaders. i think.

Several Japanese leaders has been buffed up with ekstra traits. I hope the abbrevations is selfexplanatory.
[lw,dd,od] Kuribayashi
[dd,od,en,tr] Yamashita
[br,st] Mikawa max skill 8
[br,st] Ozawa max skill 8
[br,st] Tanaka max skill 7
[fd,tb,sp] Fukudome
[st,fd,sp] Ozawa
[st,fd,sp] Ugaki
new leaders
[og] Hiroyasu
Takagi S.
Kawabe T.
[od] Nishimura

Italy:
[st,sp] Iachino :spotter new trait
[st,sp] Campioni I. :spotter new trait
[lw,od,pl] Bitossi : pl new trait
[lw,od,pl] Zingales : od new trait or pl can remember
[sw] Borghese : was co land now seawolf
[dd,pl] Messe : dd new trait

new leaders
[sw] Falangola
[sw] Legnani
Matteuchi
Appiotti

This is from memory so plz bear with me if there are errors. These are only a select few of the changes. I only checked changes in traits when i imported the names with traits in them to the new leader files, i think they made alott off skill changes aswell and dates. A lott of leaders has tweaks in traits.

 

[Myth]

This work looks extremely good and well documented. Only just discovered it after paradox used some of it in armageddon v1.1. I have a couple off questions though. Apparently the view off Douglas MacArthurs skill as a general seems to be he was crap. How come, The Inchon landings in korea was his idea as far as i know, a lott of american generals and admirals tried to persuade him to not do it, they thought it was over ambitious. The landings was a complete succes with almost no casualties and completely turned the war in korea around. Instead of fighting all the way up north from Busan in the south the UN forces (well US forces mostly) could literally unopposed advance north since the North koreans was scrambling in full retreat north to avoid be cut off.

Iam not saying he was an über commander but iam a bit surprised about the very negative view on him.

he was largely responsible for the Philippines fiasco that led to Bataan and Corregidor--if you want some reading on it I would suggest Richard Connaughton's MacArthur and Defeat in the Philippines. he certainly does not deserve logistics wizard and defensive doctrine. however, the way he stands now, he's still a 3/7 offensive doctrine old guard (old guard because in many ways his mind was stuck in the patterns of WW1)--which is still quite above average for a leader (as it seems to me that the average leader skill in the game is probably 2/6 or even 1/5 or 1/6). thus, MacArthur even now isn't a bad leader, he's just not an (unhistorically) overpowered leader like he was before.

second, is the amount off British admirals with old guard trait really representative of british naval commanders ?

I don't know enough to say with any certainty, so I'll let Phoenix Dace try his hand at it when he next visits this thread

 

[Gormadoc]

he was largely responsible for the Philippines fiasco that led to Bataan and Corregidor--if you want some reading on it I would suggest Richard Connaughton's MacArthur and Defeat in the Philippines.

ok thx for the reply. Will have a look on that book.

 

[Phoenix Dace]

I apologize a whole lot for my extended absence. I'm going to try and do my best to work on updating the leaderlists with new additions since I last posted, as well as getting some more work (and reading!) done now that the slower-paced summer is coming along.

Needless to say, I'm incredibly happy we were featured in an official Paradox patch! As far as I know, we're one of the few mods to have that honour bestowed on us, and odds are it will also improve traffic to our mod quite a bit. Maybe our team will grow beyond three people!

As far as I can tell from just opening up the Japan file, setting it to sort by max skill, and glancing at those with 5s, much of our work has been taken directly, though I would have to go through it with a fine-toothed comb to see exactly what's been changed or replaced. My theory, based off a cursory second glance at the bottom of the downloaded file, is that they took all that we did but removed all our faceless leaders. This is lent weight by (for example) the fact that at the bottom of the Japan file, it jumps straight from Kawabe T. (ID 101356) to Nishimura (ID 101362) but skips all those in between, who were all just faceless 1/4s anyway. A name mentioned once in a book or on a website, and that's all. Good for the hardcore history nuts, but definitely unnecessary for an official Paradox patch.

I'm amazed and quite, quite thrilled. And, I guess, in some small way we can all say we worked for Paradox.

 

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Re the Armageddon update and the British Chief of Air in 1936.

Am I correct to think that Paradox still have Owen Boyd as a totally ahistoric 1936 Chief of the R.A.F. and not Edward Ellington?

Well done on all the leaders being included.

 

[Myth]

I've got a few new ministers to contribute.

Latvia:
Gustavs Celmins - HoG, Ambitious Union Boss, FA
Gustavs Celmins - FM, Biased Intellectual, FA
Gustavs Celmins - MoS, Man of the People (might reconsider this), FA
all three available from '36 on

Soviet Union:
Eduard Berzin (or, if you want his Latvian name, Eduards Berzins) - MoA, Administrative Genius, LE
Eduard Berzin - MoS, Efficient Sociopath, LE
both available from '36 on, but Berzin should be purged in '38.

pictures for both available upon request (you too paradox, I've got pictures for a good portion of the leaders I've posted, just notify me if you want them to include in the next patch for arma )

 

[unmerged(51140)]

Suggestions for leader changes. I don't know which of these you may already have changed, but feel free to comment on them in any way, they are my personal opinion.

Von Brauchitsch max skill should be around 7
Skill 5 Max skill 7-9 should be:

von Fritsch (should also not be old guard, guderian described him as very open for the new ways of the suggested panzer forces)
von Rundstedt
von Bock
Ritter von Leeb (adding the 'Ritter' title to the name too)
Beck (Trait: Old Guard and why is he not in the leader list?)

Schulz F. should be no Panzer Leader, he was General of the Infantry
Schulz A. should be Panzer leader, quite good too, but he's missing

Oswarld Lutz is missing completely but is widely considered the father of the German Panzer forces today.

Mölders should have skill 5/9 or close to it.

 

[Myth]

Skill 5 Max skill 7-9 should be:

von Fritsch (should also not be old guard, guderian described him as very open for the new ways of the suggested panzer forces)
von Rundstedt
von Bock
Ritter von Leeb (adding the 'Ritter' title to the name too)
Beck (Trait: Old Guard and why is he not in the leader list?)

well von rundstedt already is 5/9, von bock is 4/9 and von leeb 4/8. on top of that, von rundstedt and von leeb are both offensive and defensive doctrines, von bock is offensive doctrine and I've made von leeb a fortress buster for his commanding of Army Group C (was it?) that pierced the Maginot Line in the latter stages of the invasion of France. thus, they're all already quite good. I don't know much about von fritsh or beck however, why should they be ranked so highly?

Schulz F. should be no Panzer Leader, he was General of the Infantry
Schulz A. should be Panzer leader, quite good too, but he's missing

fixed Schulz F in my own files, will try to find and add schulz a. can you tell me anything more about him?

Oswarld Lutz is missing completely but is widely considered the father of the German Panzer forces today.

he's not missing. lutz is id 192

Mölders should have skill 5/9 or close to it.

he shouldn't even be a leader, having only attained a colonelship before his death. I've personally deleted him from my game.

 

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I don't know much about von fritsh or beck however, why should they be ranked so highly?

Well, the group I mentioned including these two were widely considered to be the elite of Germany's generals in the late 30s. Manstein himself mentions these names in his book "lost victories" as the General's elite.
von Fitsch was also mentioned by Guderian as a general who was not into modern technology but was very open to any new concept if it was explained to him correctly and one Guderian convinced him of the usefulness of the new tactics and the Panzerdivision he fully supported him.
Beck was also considered one of the best generals but he should be old guard since he hindered the development of the Panzer Forces, a concept he could not grasp.

fixed Schulz F in my own files, will try to find and add schulz a. can you tell me anything more about him?

Generalmajor Adalbert Schulz

Generalmajor Adalbert Schulz was born 1903 in Berlin. First in the police force he transfered 1935 as Oberleutnant to a Panzerjägerabteilung.
He was known for his will to fight in the first line and be a role model for his men. For some time he served under command of Generalfeldmarschall Rommel.
Generalmajor Schulz fell only a few days after receiving command of the 7. Panzerdivision in Januar 1944, in the first lines of his forces.

Nowadays the German base at which the 1. Panzerdivision is stationed is named after him and Lutz, the Schulz- / Lutz-Kaserne.

he's not missing. lutz is id 192

Ok, might be he's only missing in the vanilla files. Did you add him in your project?

he shouldn't even be a leader, having only attained a colonelship before his death. I've personally deleted him from my game.

Agreed but he was consider a brilliant leader of his time and if he hadn't died.. maybe keep him and add him late in case he doesn't die? (However that might happen)

 

[Myth]

Well, the group I mentioned including these two were widely considered to be the elite of Germany's generals in the late 30s. Manstein himself mentions these names in his book "lost victories" as the General's elite.
von Fitsch was also mentioned by Guderian as a general who was not into modern technology but was very open to any new concept if it was explained to him correctly and one Guderian convinced him of the usefulness of the new tactics and the Panzerdivision he fully supported him.
Beck was also considered one of the best generals but he should be old guard since he hindered the development of the Panzer Forces, a concept he could not grasp.

elite doesn't necessarily have to mean they were any good, they could simply be part of the upper crust (referring to seniority, or rank or some such). also, apparently paradox uses old guard to represent generals who commanded division or greater sized formations in ww2, does von fritsch fit this category? also, if he does then we can base his skill level off his performance then.

Generalmajor Adalbert Schulz

Generalmajor Adalbert Schulz was born 1903 in Berlin. First in the police force he transfered 1935 as Oberleutnant to a Panzerjägerabteilung.
He was known for his will to fight in the first line and be a role model for his men. For some time he served under command of Generalfeldmarschall Rommel.
Generalmajor Schulz fell only a few days after receiving command of the 7. Panzerdivision in Januar 1944, in the first lines of his forces.

so he was a major general for only a few days? no wonder paradox didn't add him :wacko:

Ok, might be he's only missing in the vanilla files. Did you add him in your project?

no, he's been there since vanilla HoI2 1.0 long ago. I remember because he was one of the handful of German lt general panzer leaders at the very beginning of the '36 gc. and at 192...the first german general I added has an id of 998.

Agreed but he was consider a brilliant leader of his time and if he hadn't died.. maybe keep him and add him late in case he doesn't die? (However that might happen)

I'm personally against that sort of thing, so I won't be doing that.

 

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elite doesn't necessarily have to mean they were any good, they could simply be part of the upper crust (referring to seniority, or rank or some such). also, apparently paradox uses old guard to represent generals who commanded division or greater sized formations in ww2, does von fritsch fit this category? also, if he does then we can base his skill level off his performance then.

I didn't mean elite in that sense. Manstein describes them as the best Germany could offer. Fritsch was known to be the creator of the new German Reichswehr and Manstein was one of the people working closest to him.
He did only have an honorary command after he was removed from office of head of the army and died in Warschau at the end of the Poland campaign.
However you may judge him he's certainly no skill 2 general as he is in the files.

so he was a major general for only a few days? no wonder paradox didn't add him :wacko:

Agreed, but is his death date fixed in HoI2 too? If not he would have over a year of WW2 service time left as a general, and as I said, he is known as 'Panzer Schulz' and considered a very good (skill 3?) leader. As a general who's got at least one german base named after him I'd sure consider adding him.
But as I said, that's my opinion.

Other than that I very much agree with your skill reductions for McArthur, Rommel and Göring. Rommel is way overrated and his treat "Logistics Wizard" is a joke. The OKH mentions him in several reports as totally incapable of handling logistics and his plans to invade the middle east to open a new caucasus front against the USSR was laughed about, and especially Manstein considers that idea to be totally impossible because of the general logistics situation if only caused by the huge distance.
In fact the OKH considered several times to remove him from command of the Afrika Korps because of his performance and lack of ability to even fill out regular reports or do good staff work.

 

[Myth]

I didn't mean elite in that sense. Manstein describes them as the best Germany could offer. Fritsch was known to be the creator of the new German Reichswehr and Manstein was one of the people working closest to him.
He did only have an honorary command after he was removed from office of head of the army and died in Warschau at the end of the Poland campaign.
However you may judge him he's certainly no skill 2 general as he is in the files.

I just took a quick look through lost victories and didn't find any major praise for von fritsch (or anything damning either). could you point me to a specific page?

Agreed, but is his death date fixed in HoI2 too? If not he would have over a year of WW2 service time left as a general, and as I said, he is known as 'Panzer Schulz' and considered a very good (skill 3?) leader. As a general who's got at least one german base named after him I'd sure consider adding him.
But as I said, that's my opinion.

but he was only a divisional commander for a few days before his death. imho no matter how good he was, he's just not really worth it in that regard.

 

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I just took a quick look through lost victories and didn't find any major praise for von fritsch (or anything damning either). could you point me to a specific page?

Pheww... he's mentioned at a few places.. use the person index at the back?

He's mentioned together with those other generals at page 71 under 'Hitler - v. Brauchitsch - Halder' of chapter 4.
Guderian mentions him in his book too but I don't have any specific page right now. Anyway, he was to some degree the creator of the new army and head of the army before being removed by the nazis and had quite some reputation. I don't know of any specific military achievements, but don't become head of the army without being capable. A skill level of 2 is unjustified for anyone who can serve in such a high position.
Göring was one major exception here and several of the people Hitler put personally in high positions later.
I don't even say a 5 level is needed, but 4 (or at least 3 although even that seems low) should be considered. A skill 2 is not justified.

 

[Myth]

Pheww... he's mentioned at a few places.. use the person index at the back?

He's mentioned together with those other generals at page 71 under 'Hitler - v. Brauchitsch - Halder' of chapter 4.

I did use the index. that's why I'm asking--because I didn't find anything special on him that way. no effusive praise or anything

Guderian mentions him in his book too but I don't have any specific page right now.

I'll check guderian then, tomorrow

Anyway, he was founder of the new army and head of the army before being removed by the nazis and had quite some reputation. I don't know of any specific military achievements, but don't become head of the army without being capable. A skill level of 2 is unjustified for anyone who can serve in such a high position.

*cough*voroshilov*cough*hitler*cough*

I don't even say a 5 level is needed, but 4 (or at least 3 although even that seems low) should be considered. A skill 2 is not justified.

that remains to be seen. rank means little. after all, hitler became the commander-in-chief of the army, did he not? would you argue that he was greatly skilled in strategic military matters?