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I'm curious how many people have tried forming the Commonwealth of Nations and noticed how it's kinda awesome and a little bit broken. So, as will previous patches when you form the Commonwealth Canada, Australia and New Zealand immediately become core states, you get all their manpower etc. straight away. In previous patches South Africa and India became colony states and you got a smidgen of their manpower and all the built factories but not all the slots in provinces to build. Now, with occupied states having Compliance as a value all this has changed.

India and South Africa now start out as occupied with 0% compliance. This acts as something of a handbrake for the Commonwealth of Nations because it requires you to employ a less than ideal occupation law and take losses to your garrisons as resistance goes up. However, over time you raise compliance and this has an odd side effect. Rather than going big with all that manpower straight away you're initially restricted, forcing you to expand your forces slowly BUT over time that manpower trickles in until you reach a critical mass where the smaller army the game forced you to build is being fed manpower faster than it loses it.

In my most recent game I have to fight Germany and the Axis, then America and her coalition, then the Soviets who had puppeted Germany (so I fought them twice).

By 1950 when all was said and done I had about half a million in the Royal Air Force, the same in the Royal Navy and about 3 million in the Army, my total manpower was about 8.3 million, I had half a million men to spare and India was only on about 35% average compliance. Oh, and I never got past Extensive Conscription whilst everyone else was either on All Adults Serve or Scraping the Barrel.

I'm going to give it a few years until Compliance reaches 100%, just to see how far this goes.
 
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I've been curious about trying to form the commonwealth as communist britain and just eating the civil war, but I'm not sure if it would switch me out of communism/the right focus tree.
 
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I've been curious about trying to form the commonwealth as communist britain and just eating the civil war, but I'm not sure if it would switch me out of communism/the right focus tree.

The requirement to form the Commonwealth is that all the Dominions must have the same ideology as you. In practice this only applies to Canada, New Zealand and Australia as they are the only countries you get cores on. If you're Communist you can let South Africa and India go and take them back later through conquest. This might change if those nations start out with positive compliance in a later patch. Logically forming the Commonwealth should negate the civil war - because you've reformed into a federal superstate - but currently I don't believe it does.

However, the best way to do this is as a Democracy via the Global Defence path - then take the focus for maintaining Imperial integrity as this gives all dominions -0.5 autonomy per day whilst also boosting their opinion of you. Just remember, before you pull the trigger you need to have +100 positive opinion from all Dominions to guarantee success.
 
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The requirement to form the Commonwealth is that all the Dominions must have the same ideology as you. In practice this only applies to Canada, New Zealand and Australia as they are the only countries you get cores on. If you're Communist you can let South Africa and India go and take them back later through conquest. This might change if those nations start out with positive compliance in a later patch. Logically forming the Commonwealth should negate the civil war - because you've reformed into a federal superstate - but currently I don't believe it does.

However, the best way to do this is as a Democracy via the Global Defence path - then take the focus for maintaining Imperial integrity as this gives all dominions -0.5 autonomy per day whilst also boosting their opinion of you. Just remember, before you pull the trigger you need to have +100 positive opinion from all Dominions to guarantee success.
No, the easiest way is with monarchist britain, since imperial conscription gives -1 autonomy a day and gives you more noncore manpower.
 
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But that requires you to re-conquer the Dominions first as IIRC they all break ties in the King's Party path.
The imperial revolt decisions make that super easy.
 
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I'm not sure what the point of the thread is tbh.

The game isn't supposed to be balanced by the state of things in 1950. In 2,500 hours of playing this game I don't think I've played beyond 1946. Ever.

I'm fine with the commonwealth. In an actual game it's not really possible to form in a timely manner without making tremendous sacrifices which, ordinarily, you will never do, thus making it something that comes so late into the game as to not have an impact. This appeases people like myself who don't want balance thrown totally out the window, but by still having it in the game appeases the small minority that, for some reason, play until 1950 or even beyond.
 

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The imperial revolt decisions make that super easy.

True, but if you aren't democratic you can't use "local autonomy" so your compliance is, irrc, capped at 80%. At 100% compliance you get 20% of non-core manpower, 100% of factories and 105% of resources. With The King's Party you exchange a bit of manpower for more factories and resources.
 

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I'm not sure what the point of the thread is tbh.

The game isn't supposed to be balanced by the state of things in 1950. In 2,500 hours of playing this game I don't think I've played beyond 1946. Ever.

I'm fine with the commonwealth. In an actual game it's not really possible to form in a timely manner without making tremendous sacrifices which, ordinarily, you will never do, thus making it something that comes so late into the game as to not have an impact. This appeases people like myself who don't want balance thrown totally out the window, but by still having it in the game appeases the small minority that, for some reason, play until 1950 or even beyond.

The point of this thread is to observe that it's 1952 and I have 2.3 million spare manpower. Or, to put it another way - as the UK in the current patch you should absolutely push the Commonwealth of Nations from Day 1, stopping only to snag that extra research slot.
 
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True, but if you aren't democratic you can't use "local autonomy" so your compliance is, irrc, capped at 80%. At 100% compliance you get 20% of non-core manpower, 100% of factories and 105% of resources. With The King's Party you exchange a bit of manpower for more factories and resources.
I think you meant without kings party. Because with it you'd have an extra 5 million or so manpower from India. And another 10 million or so from china.
 
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I've been curious about trying to form the commonwealth as communist britain and just eating the civil war, but I'm not sure if it would switch me out of communism/the right focus tree.

The communist civil war won't switch you out of communism, but it does scale with the strength of communism in your country. It's winnable provided communism isn't too far above 50%, but will become increasingly difficult if it is.

You can game the civil war a bit by building an intentionally bad army and then, once the civil war fires, immediately switching your crap divisions out for better ones. The AI doesn't change division templates so even though it has equal resources it will be at an early disadvantage, and as long as the revolt doesn't gain significant ground you should eventually be able to outlast it.

The major issue, however, is that the revolters will take your subjects and faction, and winning the civil war will result in all subjects becoming free. For this reason, you will want to complete the Imperial Federation before the civil war fires.
 
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On what law?
Extensive conscription. Between imperial conscription and 97% compliance (which you can in fact reach with civilian oversight as non-aligned) I have 854k recuitable from Delhi state alone. Imperial conscription lets you drown in manpower.

Edit: Delhi, lucknow, bihar, east Bengal, and Madurai get you most of the way to 5 mil on their own.
 
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Extensive conscription. Between imperial conscription and 97% compliance (which you can in fact reach with civilian oversight as non-aligned) I have 854k recuitable from Delhi state alone. Imperial conscription lets you drown in manpower.

Edit: Delhi, lucknow, bihar, east Bengal, and Madurai get you most of the way to 5 mil on their own.

Fair enough, though I feel I'd rather take the extra factories and resources, personally.
 

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The point of this thread is to observe that it's 1952 and I have 2.3 million spare manpower. Or, to put it another way - as the UK in the current patch you should absolutely push the Commonwealth of Nations from Day 1, stopping only to snag that extra research slot.

2.3 million doesn’t seem like a lot. If I’m invading the US and Russia, that figure would worry me.
 

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If I recall correctly, forming Rome as Italy also give insane amounts of manpower.

indeed it does, as it has you gain cores from Iberia to Netherlands and from London to Cairo.
it is, however quite hard to go through compared to British Imperial Federation, and by the time you form rome, you've already won the game.
 
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