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can cavalry fight well in the jungles and mountains of argentina/brazil against infantry? ive never tried..
 

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Pablo Sanchez said:
I noticed that Argentina's base IC was 24 in Feb. 1936, but 42 by Jan. 1938--a jump of 18 points is really impressive, especially considering that your base IC rose by only nine over the same period with intensive effort. Does Argentina get a lot of free IC via event or something?
I think they must have gotten that IC in the "Argentina joins Axis event" he wrote.
 

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Welcome to all the new readers!

GrimReaper: Argentina's navy greatly outmasses Brazil's but is comprised of obsolete ships.

GhostWriter: In addition to the cavalry divisions we have ... garrison troops. Be in awe of our uberpowers. "Deployment" of CAS? Sir, "deployment" is such a strong word. We don't even have CAS in the build queue. Haven't a clue what sort of infantry Argentina has; your guess of mixed '36 and '39 seems a good one.

Brazil's base IC is almost equal to that of Argentina; our effective is about 3/4ths as great. However, Brazil has more mobilizeable manpower (I think).

Tim O: Parguay fields about 5 divisions, Uruguay 3. Both have some biplanes too, I think.

Lifeless: Yeah, Itamaraty tried to convince the Grey Eminence, but no...

Vann the Red: Thanks! Win or lose, I hope to entertain!

Congo: Brazil, quantity? In order to have quantity, it helps to have IC.

Pablo Sanchez: Like Tim O said, it was a homemade event.

Cuchulain: Cavalry can be very effective, but I am beginning to release that I might have made a mistake: the front between Argentina and Brazil is only one province wide, and Argentina has already built so many divisions that "slash and outmaneuver" will be of only limited utility. In these conditions infantry+artillery will likely be a better bet.

Nobegow: Hey! Are you a native Brazilian? If so, wonderful! Hopefully, you'll be pleased. :)
 

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1939, January 1st:

Government
- Brazil maximizes Hawkishness and, for the first time in more than three years, a new face is seen in the Cabinet: Jose de Macedo Soares' repeated successes in foreign affairs have won him a second job as Industry Minister. The proportion of industry we have to devote to consumer goods drops remarkably, but some political turmoil crops up and takes a little while to suppress.
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International Affairs
- Itamaraty presents its periodic report on diplomatic relations...
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- Germany's strength has waxed frighteningly, as has Argentina's. Our own rearmament and that of our allies has not kept pace. Nevertheless, we hope for peace and see no obvious reason why peace cannot continue.

Industry and Resources
- We press on with industrial growth, adding an eighth simultaneous factory build to our queue.


1939, January 6th:
- Why is it that the new year always seems to start off with something nasty? Argentina has just demanded that Uruguay unite with her! This violates the most important agreement ever hammered out by Argentine and Brazilian diplomats: that the Rio Plata will not be dominated by any one nation. Dictator Rosas has revealed his true colors, and all southern South America is about to face a stern test of wills.
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- More disquieting news: Stalin has replaced pro-Western Litvinov with the harder Molotov, signaling a radical shift away from containing Germany alongside the Western Allies. So much is clear; what is not clear is what Moscow's new strategy is.


1939, January 11th:
- Francisco Franco has just captured Madrid! After a long and arduous siege, during which men ate rats to survive, the last bastions of Republican Spain have fallen. European Fascism has won a decisive victory. German and Italian troops return home with valuable combat experience.


1939, January 14th:
- Brazil's ambassador requests British support for the independence of Uruguay, and is stiffly told that Britain cannot afford a war, and will not fight for a tiny faraway nation neither guaranteed nor allied. Manchuria, Ethiopia, China, Austria, Czechoslovakia -- all have been sacrificed on the altar of Peace in our Time. Now, Uruguay, innocent as Iphigenia, will die as she did. We storm out of the conference, raging.

... and then we have a quiet think. Remember those piles of blueprints, those mountains of industrial resources, the countless acts of friendship and support? Well, now it's payback time. When you're in a club, you play by club rules -- especially when the very survival of the club is in question. Brazil is about to suffer her worst-ever diplomatic defeat, a hundred and twenty years of patient effort rendered naught, but this issue is bigger than just Brazil, or Uruguay; war between the Allies and the Axis would be mankind's most terrible disaster. It will not start here and it will not start now! If Adolf Hitler or Agustin Justo want a war, they will have to actually invade a member of the Allies. God send that they commit no such folly.
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... ... ... ...
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- Argentina declares war on Uruguay. Germany stays out of the war (Argentina has left the Axis temporarily). Our officials report a noticeably greater willingness to accept Intervention in foreign affairs among the Brazilian public and politicians ... and not before time.


- We still hope for peace. But Brazilian leaders suspect that war is very possible. If there should be a war in the next two or three years, our position would be terribly vulnerable. Our Army is currently focused on fast, slashing attacks with abundant artillery support, but we are very far from being able to indulge in such a stance. Defence -- national survival -- must now be our first care. Given our lack of resources and the limited scope for maneuver on the Argentine border, this means that we need to shift away from mobile warfare and back towards a positional defence of the only truly worthwhile line available: Curitiba province, chokepoint on the frontier. It is, in short, time to re-examine infantry-artillery trench warfare.


1939, late January:
- Once the political blame-game over the loss of Uruguay settles down, we begin work on both 1936 infantry research and on building a first set of field fortifications.

1939, February 13th:
- Uruguay surrenders.
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- Argentina's industry leaps further ahead of ours, and (after reconstruction in Montevideo) stands at 68.
 
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1939, February 14th:
- Argentina rejoins the Axis (automatic event).


1939, February 29th:
- The British are waxing highly enthusiastic about the powers of a thing called "Radar", which we understand is a sort of invisible energy that can, properly emitted and received, detect objects at long range. This seems useful; Brazilian scientists begin conducting their own field experiments.
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1939, March 15th:
- Hitler breaks the Munich pact! German troops march into Prague, triggering land claims from greedy Poland and Hungary and the independence of industry-rich Slovakia. The Czech lands themselves fall under German domination. Appeasement has been bravely and earnestly tried -- and found wanting. It is now clear that Hitler cannot be appeased by any reasonable measures, and no treaty can be had which limits him for a moment longer than serves his purpose. Now, Great Britain and France have to rearm as quickly as possible. Brazil is already mobilizing, albeit not with any great haste.
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1939, March 26th:
- Italy declares war on Albania! It seems that conquering your small neighbors has become quite the fashion nowadays. Italian marines and Alpini make short work of King Zog's tatterdemalion army.


1939, March 30th:
- Poland, fearful of German designs on her territory and that of Danzig, accepts Chamberlain's guarantee of independence. Itamaraty representatives throw themselves into the first flight to Warsaw, packing the entire plane with blueprints. The regular passengers are left at the tarmac (they are so miffed). Profits are nothing like as much as we had hoped, and our strangely disappointed envoys return home to face President Vargas' sarcastic questions about why we had let relations with Poland drop to -47 anyway. Well, who was to know?
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1939, April:
- In utmost secrecy, the shadier associates of Itamaraty have been getting chummy with Japanese oil-buyers, and now hemi-demi-semi-official funds are supporting their efforts to make friends in government and military circles. The Empire of the Rising Sun is becoming an important profit center; already, we estimate that our national economy benefits to the tune of +3 IC. Hopefully, President Roosevelt won't cotton on to what we are doing.


1939, April 26th:
- The Brazilian Navy unveils a new kind of assault ship. Unlike ordinary transports, it is capable of carrying units, not merely from friendly port to friendly port, but to enemy coasts no further then 450 KM from the nearest friendly port. Brazil can mount amphibious operations! Of course, with one flotilla we can't land any great force, but we can't imagine why we'd want to. The only realistic enemies are Argentina (right next to us) and Germany (Britain and France's problem).
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1939, Spring:
- Hard-fighting Japanese infantry have conquered about three-fourths of China. What remains, however, are some of the most rugged, fortified, and well-defended areas on Earth. China is on the ropes, but still a long way from surrender. Good luck to her!
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1939, Late May - early June:
- We complete another round of factory builds and devote the entire freed production to Army expansion. Until we are ready to at least defend ourselves, industrial growth will have to wait. This snapshot shows the situation as of June 3rd, just after the new factories come on stream, we finish cutting down on some more dissent (the stuff's like a bad penny -- it keeps coming back), and suffer another American shut-off of our supplies, this time of oil. Guess Roosevelt did find out. When we find out who snitched...
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1939, July:
- Brazilian engineers carry on with the second phase of the Curitiba Fortified Line. They report that gearing bonuses have reduced the estimated time to build to just under six months.


1939, August 4th:
- Six divisions of 1936-model infantry assemble in Curitiba. President Vargas, Defence Minister Gaspar Dutra, and Army Chief of Staff Joao Neves da Fontoura meet to decide whether Brazil has enough divisions to hold off Argentina, should a war come. We are strongly motivated to get back to industrial growth, but, with Argentina's 29 field divisions (including two HQs, which means they can mass force), facing our 12 (no HQs), we have to continue to spend resources on the Army. Fontoura proposes six divisions of 1939-model infantry (which CCNC has just developed). He is opposed by Dutra.
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- Nine divisions of garrison troops will mobilize late next month.


1939, August 24th:
- Stalin makes a fateful choice: to befriend Hitler and abandon the dithering western Allies. Just as the Russian and Prussian vultures gathered around Poland in the 1770s, so do the latter-day hyaenas, Soviet and Nazi, prepare themselves to lunge once more at that which divides them. Truly, there is no new thing under the sun.

- With long preparation and sudden onset, war threatens Europe. Great Powers are committed against each other. With the Republic of France and the United Kingdom stands Brazil, weak in present force but abundant in possibility. This war is not entered into gladly. The people of Warsaw naked by the river Wisla, the citizens of France and England and Canada and Australia, and those who look on anxiously in the small nations, the small nations that so often have been ground between upper and nether millstones; all long for peace, would give much for peace. But not everything. And it is everything that Hitler wants.

- After more than half a decade of slowly gathering force and rising roiling madness, the storm of racial conquest and the lightning of ideological war is about to envelop Europe and the world. China, Ethiopia, Spain, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Uruguay, Albania -- all have been consumed, kindling for the conflagration. Now, we who did not help China, or Ethiopia, or Austria, or Spain, or Czechoslovakia, or Uruguay, or tiny Albania, we, who devised endless sweet-sounding shifts to avoid aiding anyone but our own precious selves, are about to find out what it is to fight against the Red, the Brown, the Bushido, and the Black.
 
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:rofl: stupid cheapskates! :rofl:
 

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Great job, to bad Uruguay had to fall, damn British not assiting you. But i suppose its right for them not to start another world war because of Uruguay...
 

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It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

Does Argentina have any naval transports?
 

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LM+: ..We don't even have CAS in the build queue.

true, but if i understood correctly, you are researching CAS... ;)

LM+: Pablo Sanchez: Like Tim O said, it was a homemade event.

LM+: - Argentina's industry leaps further ahead of ours, and (after reconstruction in Montevideo) stands at 68.

it appears that you gave them too much stuff... :eek:

LM+: - Nine divisions of garrison troops will mobilize late next month.

don't have a good feeling about this... :eek: IIRC, you cannot defeat a country in war without capturing their territory... :rolleyes:
 

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Great update, LM+. In what ways do you see the Brazilian military assisting the Allied war effort?

Vann
 

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nice update. looking forward to the brazil vs. argentina fiasco. i like the big amount of info you get in the updates
 

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This is fast becomming one of my favourite AAR's, that said Im kid of cheering on the Argentines just to see if a player can be defeated by the AI, should be interesteing to see how it all pans out. Great work, very nice graphics, all up a nice start, keep it up!
 

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Nobegow: Hey! Are you a native Brazilian? If so, wonderful! Hopefully, you'll be pleased.

Yes, I am!
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I'll be looking those Argentians

Hey Do You Know that by the 1970s (like those years), Brazil built the Biggest hidroeletric eletric usine(Itaiupu) mainly for a great plan for cause a big inundation(flood) in Argentina? Brazilian X Argentina rivality is really big :D
 

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Lifeless: Well, it depends on who's talking. The Industry minister thinks Garrison troops cost too much. He'd prefer scarecrows and firecrackers.

Spitfire_Pilot: Yeah. Doesn't mean I have to like it, though.

Congo: Just you wait, you ain't seen nothing yet.

GrimReaper: Why, yes, they do have naval transports. Not very many, though.

GhostWriter: And you were so optimistic just a little while ago! Cheer up - it's all come right in the end (not sayin' for who, though.).

Pablo Sanchez: That's right! If I set up enough scarecrows, I'm SAFE.

Vann the Red: Brazil's near-term contributions? A convenient place to ship "excess" resources, a source of great parties, beautiful vacation homes, and the finest coffee in the world. Ignore those Columbians--they don't know what they're talking about. Long-term very much depends on the Argentinian threat. I'm going to have to play it by ear as challenges arise and (hopefully) Brazil's strength increases. The fundamental choice is to focus on land (Argentina) or focus on sea (Atlantic and expeditionary). At present, I lack the strength for either.

Cuchulain: The coming brawl between Argentina and Brazil had better not be a fiasco!! Who you rooting for, anyway mister?!? :)

Iron-Chef: Thanks! Naturally, I will do my best to survive and deny you the pleasure of seeing Somebody Rather Else get whupped up on by the AI. I've been beat by the AI several times, and would much prefer to win this one.

Nobegow: That's shocking what you tell me about that hydroelectric dam. Are you sure of what you say?
 
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Absolutely.

By This Time we had the military Dictatorialship. Often, the was always a fear of an Argentinian War, and they build the hidroeletric, in case of a war.

The Hidroeletric is in Rio Parana if i'm not wrong, that after turns into Rio Da Prata that goes until Buenos Aires(argentina Capital). Itaiupu is the largest hidroletric in the world(now a chinese one will be larger).
But I'm Sure about it, everybody says, qualificated professors,etc
 

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1939, August 30th:
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Industrial potential of selected nations:
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The armed forces of the Axis and Allies:
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Brazil's leadership
- Our military commanders have neither known a war personally, nor had much access to the knowledge of those who have. They will require much training in actual battle before they can call themselves world-class. Fortunately there have been no promotions since 1936 (there being a standing order to forbid them), so many of our leaders will, given the chance, learn their trade rapidly.
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The Strategic Situation:
- Strategically, we have got a problem. Dutra's plan to avoid war failed miserably, partly because it was not Argentina's choice to make, partly because our mobilization is but hardly begun. Argentina, in contrast, has built up her army and airforce so rapidly that she might very well be able to overrun us in one fell swoop. We continue with the construction of the garrison troops simply because retooling for mobile forces would take too long, and we aren't going to be conducting any advances in the near future anyway. All our eggs are in one basket called Curitiba! Porto Alegre will be abandoned. Our navy hides in port.


1939, early September:
- With Germany no longer shipping supplies, and German subs beginning to enter the Atlantic, Brazil is going to have to seek alternative trading partners. The USA will become even more important, but we have hope for both Canada (a source of metal) and Japan (pays handsomely for American oil). Just as Itamaraty begin to re-balance things, Axis ships or subs (as yet unspotted) interdict our foreign trade to all these nations. This immediately knocks a giant hole in our balance of payments. We monitor the situation closely.


1939, September 3rd:
- Hungary joins the Axis. As co-ruler of the defeated Austro-Hungarian Empire, Budapest lost a great deal in the Treaty of Trianon ending her involvement in the Great War. As Germany does with Versailles, so Hungary with Trianon - to break free of the limits to a former national greatness ruined by seeking excessive greatness. The Revisionist nations are gathering...
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1939, September 6th:
- The small Argentine garrison in Montevideo advances to Porto Alegre, and there overruns hundreds of Canadian and Australian bombers which had -- most injudiciously! -- transferred to our southernmost province upon the outbreak of war.

- Field Marshal Dutra orders twelve divisions to conduct a spoiling counter-attack without attempting to regain any ground. We need to prevent Argentina from massing troops adjacent to Curitiba before our garrison troops mobilize, organize, and dig in.

- The benefits of good-quality artillery are easy to see. Unhappily, each advance in Artillery, AA, and AT makes infantry use up more supplies. The base supply consumption of an infantry division is 1.0/day. Our troops currently need 1.7/day. While often worth it to gain soft attack, it is usually not to gain hard or anti-air attack. So Brazil will never develop AT or newer mobile AA guns!
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Historical Stony Road (and Naval Mod) feature comments:
Infantry get full benefits, and pay full price, for advances in gun technology other than mobile AA. Marine and Mountain troops gain fewer benefits but also need fewer supplies. Cavalry gain no benefits. Motorized, mechanized, and armoured divisions gain strength from advances in self-propelled artillery, AT, heavy tank, and elite attachments. But there's a catch: All of these improvements are only applied by the game to new divisions when certain things happen, like an annexation. The Naval Mod for HSR (and now HSR 2.07) has an auto-annexation feature that quickly applies all special tech modifiers to new units.



1939, September 10th:
- Dutra's plan to keep the enemy off-balance starts to falls apart as Field Marshal Justo personally takes command of Argentine forces in Concordia. In the one hour the battle lasts before we break contact, we learn a great deal about the relative combat power of Brazilian and Argentine troops. Most of the news is bad. In addition to being far more numerous in total, Justo's divisions are in general more modern, more experienced, more heavily brigaded, and have much higher organization than our own. We don't know what land doctrinal path Argentina has, but they've clearly done some research in it whatever it is. About the only two things we match them in are artillery and leadership.
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1939, September 19th - 20th:
- After a couple of small victories against lone divisions entering Porto Alegre, we suffer a defeat. Three Argentinean divisions beat off an attack by twelve of ours, inflicting more than 3,500 casualties before our leadership finally realizes we've been comprehensively outfought. Argentina has now secured both approaches to Curitiba.

- Just as Dutra starts to seriously worry, nine static infantry divisions reinforce our mountain fortresses. Our garrison stands at 22.


1939, September 22nd:
- We have not received any technological gifts so far this year, and convincing the British and French to share is expensive. But what choice do we have?
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1939, September 25th:
- Poland surrenders, first of the nations to be destroyed in this war. How many will follow?
 
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