The chance for A.I. Austria to PU Hungary needs to be higher

[kgmi]

So the historical outcome?

Sure, if Austria gets the PU over Bohemia then.

 

[bigaristotel]

Recency bias alert.
In my last three tries as Byz, Austria got PU over Hungary in every game

 

[Apollyonna]

no please no, in 4 out of 5 games (based on at least 20 games over the past months), Austria gets the PU. Do you want to make it 100% chance ?

 

[thetrue7man]

no please no, in 4 out of 5 games (based on at least 20 games over the past months), Austria gets the PU. Do you want to make it 100% chance ?

country_event = {
id = flavor_hun.2
title = flavor_hun.2.t
desc = flavor_hun.2.d
picture = ELECTION_REPUBLICAN_eventPicture

fire_only_once = yes

trigger = {
tag = HUN
is_year = 1450
NOT = { is_year = 1457 }
has_regency = no
NOT = { personal_union = 1 }
HAB = {
is_subject = no
government = monarchy
has_regency = no
}
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
ai_chance = { factor = 75 }
name = flavor_hun.2.a
remove_historical_friend = HAB
HAB = { remove_historical_friend = HUN }
define_heir = {
name = "Mátyás"
dynasty = "Hunyadi"
adm = 4
dip = 5
mil = 6
claim = 50
birth_date = 1443.2.23
}
if = {
limit = {
has_dlc = "Rights of Man"
}
hidden_effect = { add_heir_personality = just_personality }
}
kill_ruler = yes
HAB = {
tooltip = {
add_casus_belli = {
target = HUN
type = cb_restore_personal_union
months = 60
}
}
hidden_effect = {
country_event = { id = flavor_hun.10 days = 1 }
}
}
}
option = {
name = flavor_hun.2.b
ai_chance = { factor = 25 }
add_stability_or_adm_power = yes
HAB = {
create_union = HUN
hidden_effect = {
country_event = { id = flavor_hun.3 days = 1 }
}
}
}
option = {
name = flavor_hun.2.c
trigger = {
has_heir = yes
NOT = { has_heir = "Ladislaus Postumus" }
NOT = { dynasty = HAB }
}
ai_chance = {
factor = 25
modifier = {
factor = 10
heir_adm = 5
heir_mil = 5
heir_dip = 5
}
}
remove_historical_friend = HAB
HAB = { remove_historical_friend = HUN }
kill_ruler = yes
HAB = {
tooltip = {
add_casus_belli = {
target = HUN
type = cb_restore_personal_union
months = 60
}
}
hidden_effect = {
country_event = { id = flavor_hun.10 days = 1 }
}
}
}
}

 

[geckoman1011]

I think a good compromise would be a game option to turn them on or off. I personally enjoy the events. I feel it adds more of a "historical feel" to my games. But I can understand why people don't like it as well.

Its not that I hate the events, its that nations are predisposed to have those events fire just because of TAG. If any of the various succession/civil war/etc events are going to exist, they should be available to ALL nations IF they meet the right triggers.

 

[zinho]

Its not that I hate the events, its that nations are predisposed to have those events fire just because of TAG. If any of the various succession/civil war/etc events are going to exist, they should be available to ALL nations IF they meet the right triggers.

I'd certainly like to see more possibility of some of the historical events apply to more countries. Why not an Iberian Wedding for any two of port/castille/aragon/navarra? Why not a Pragmatic Sanction for countries other than Austria (certainly any Habsburgs?). Why not even a "we must seek Ottoman/hre/hungarian protection"?

 

[thetrue7man]

Why not an Iberian Wedding for any two of port/castille/aragon/navarra?

There actually is a completely generic event with a really high mtth and stricter requirements. (Neither monarch married, regencies don't suffice, an opinion requirement, and an age window iirc)

 

[geckoman1011]

I'd certainly like to see more possibility of some of the historical events apply to more countries. Why not an Iberian Wedding for any two of port/castille/aragon/navarra?

Oooh. I actually kinda like that idea. That would be real flavor unlike the the "flavor" events we have now that make the game so repetitive.

 

[zinho]

E

There actually is a completely generic event with a really high mtth and stricter requirements. (Neither monarch married, regencies don't suffice, an opinion requirement, and an age window iirc)

Excellent , thanks - I didn't know that!

 

[endersaim]

You have significantly right. I was playing as Poland very many times. I wasn't seeing that Austria formed personal union with Bohemia. It has been never. Furthermore I wasn't seeing Bohemian-Hungary union, but historicaly it was. Exactly, Jagiellon's dynasty ruled in Poland-Lithuanian Union and Bohemian-Hungarian Union. Austrian's Habsburgs created Austrian-Bohemian-Hungarian Union in consequence of agreement in First Congress of Vienna after death of Louis II Jagiellon. Game give no chance for this.

You make a great point. The game king of treats the Polish-Hungarian relationships as a binary choice between either they rival and hate each other, or Austria allies Hungary, and they end up ignoring each other. I would love to see some more interesting choices with how Hungary ends up. Maybe they could even end up under PU with Poland instead of Lithuania.

 

[KazimierzWielki]

You make a great point. The game king of treats the Polish-Hungarian relationships as a binary choice between either they rival and hate each other, or Austria allies Hungary, and they end up ignoring each other. I would love to see some more interesting choices with how Hungary ends up. Maybe they could even end up under PU with Poland instead of Lithuania.

In my opinion, question of personal union and dynasties isn't good created. Now, noble from dynasty XXX or succession war is randomize question with exception events. Additionally, country can't oppose fall under union if they don't want be under union. Of course this can result war, but country should have possibility to reject union and crown the local noble. How will I think about jokes such as little Duchy of Provence personal union over Big Kingdom France etc. I have no words, but this is a side thread...

 

[Vogelwiese]

Maybe make it an event with a MTTH so high it doesn't normally happen. Then add modifiers for threatened attitude, having low development (due to provinces having been conquered), having a small army etc. and then adding a couple of different options like the ability to put the king of Poland on the throne (if not rivalled), the king of bohemia (if not rivalled and in a rather strong position), and finally the Archduke (if not rivalled). Though in my opinion the option for Austria should have the higher base chance and maybe the other ones a very low one if rivalled after all survival would be more important.

 

[endersaim]

adding a couple of different options like the ability to put the king of Poland on the throne (if not rivalled), the king of bohemia (if not rivalled and in a rather strong position), and finally the Archduke (if not rivalled). Though in my opinion the option for Austria should have the higher base chance and maybe the other ones a very low one if rivalled after all survival would be more important.

yah maybe something like where France can get a PU over Naples

 

[KazimierzWielki]

We can slightly modify the question of Ladislaus the Posthumous von Habsburg to more historical. Because we should create something like "King Burgundy dies" for Middle Europe but more twisted

For first Bohemia should start with Ladislaus the Posthumous von Habsburg as King at the age of 4 years with regent Jiri z Podiebrad at the age of 24 years.
Hungary should start with Ladislaus the Posthumous von Habsburg as King at the age of 4 years with regent Janos Hunyady at the age of 57 years.

In year 1453-1454 (before king will be have 15 years) Bohemia should have event with choose between "stay on the throne Ladislaus the Posthumous von Habsburg" (little chance for AI and mayby with effect of Hussite Rebelion or/and growth unrest in whole contry) or "allow the regent to take over the crown" (with effect Jiri z Podiebrad is new king, legitimacy is set to 0 and -200 points of relation with Austria)

In year 1453-1454 (before king will be have 15 years) Hungary should have event with choose between "stay on the throne Ladislaus the Posthumous von Habsburg" (little chance for AI and mayby with effect of growth unrest in whole contry) or "Matthias Corvinus Hunyady will be our King" (with effect Matthias Corvinus Hunyady is new heir with dathe of birth 1443, legitimacy is set to 0 and -200 points of relation with Austria)

If Hungary would choose the King from own dynasty, will should get special country modifier (+10-20% Morale of Armies) and -10% Regiment Costs and maybe something else until death Matthias Corvinus. We know that historically Hungary ruled by Matthias Corvinus was very strong and had "Black Army of Hungary".

If Bohemia would choose Jiri z Podiebrad as new king, will should give event for Austria with choose between "This is an insult" with "Restauration of Union" CB for Bohemian throne and permanent claims for all Bohemian provinces (why in next part) or "Unfortunately, we have to accept that" (little chance for AI) with Prestige -50.
If Austria would choose "This is an insult", will should get next event with options for all current rivals except Hungary [if is set as rival] ("Remove rival XXX and set Bohemia as rival")

If Hungary would choose Matthias Corvinus as new king, will should give event for Austria with choose between "This is an insult" with "Restauration of Union" CB for Hungarian throne and permanent claims for all Hungarian provinces (why in next part) or "Unfortunately, we have to accept that" with Prestige -50.
If Austria would choose "This is an insult", will should get next event with options for all current rivals except Bohemia [if is set as rival ] ("Remove rival XXX and set Hungary as rival")

It will cause that Hungary could be declare war against Bohemia but without Austrian help for Bohemia (as it was historical).

Of course if they all (Bohemia and Hungary) were keep Ladislaus the Posthumous von Habsburg as king it shoud cause Bohemian-Hungarian Union under Ladislaus the Posthumous von Habsburg without rivalry with Austrian but rather with friendly.

Now let's go to the Polish side of this case, for first Poland should start with permanent claims for all Silesia provinces (it will be caused Polish-Bohemian rivalry attitude and is historical, because Silesia was part of Poland in the Middle Ages).

Next, if:
- Polish-Lithuanian Union exists or Poland is Great Power
- Polish dynasty is Jagiellon
- Bohemia was denied the Habsburg's monarch
- Austria has set Bohemia as rival
- Is year between 1470-1500

Bohemia should have possible national decision, "offer a crown to son of "XXX Jagielon" from Poland and ask Jagiellon dynasty of protection against Habsburg dynasty".
This decion should cause event in Poland with options:

1) "take the Bohemian Crown" with effect XXX Jagiellon is ruler of Bohemia, prestige +X, remove Bohemia as rival (if is set) and Bohemia remove Poland as rival (if is set) +100 relations with Bohemia, Poland and their subjects remove claims for all Bohemian and their subjects provinces, Bohemia and their subjects remove claims for all Poland and their subjects provinces, Poland return all Bohemian or their subjects cores (if have) and Bohemia return all Poland and their subjects cores (if have), Poland gets -200 relations with Austria.

2) "Habsburgs are very powerful and they are our friends" with Poland-Austrian relations +X and -X for Poland-Bohemian relations and -X prestige for Poland.

If Poland would choose first option, Austria will should get an event with options for all current rivals "This is an in insult, remove rival XXX and set Poland as new rival" with reltaions -200 with Poland and prestige +X or "Unfortunately, we have to accept that" with prestige -X.

Next, if:
- Polish-Lithuanian Union exists or Poland is Great Power
- Bohemian dynasty is Jagiellon
- Polish dynasty is Jagiellon
- Hungary was denied the Habsburg's monarch
- Austria has set Hungary as rival
- Is year between 1490-1500

Hungary should have possible national decision, "create personal union under XXX Jagiellon from Bohemia and ask Jagiellon dynasty of protection against Habsburg dynasty".
This decion should cause event in Bohemia with options

1) "take the Hungarian Crown" with effect makes Hungary lesser partner in personal union, prestige +X, +100 relations with Hungary, Hungary and their subjects remove claims for all Bohemian and their subjects provinces, Bohemia and their subjects remove claims for all Hungary and their subjects provinces, Bohemia return all Hungary or their subjects cores (if have) and Hungary return all Bohemian and their subjects cores (if have), Bohemia gets -200 relations with Austria.

2) "give Hungarian Crown for our younger brother" with effect XXX Jagiellon is ruler of Hungary, Hungary and their subjects remove all claims and return cores for Bohemia, Poland and their subjects and vice versa, Hungary gets +100 relations with Bohemia and Poland and remove their as rival (if are set).

Last step of this modification is national decision possible for Poland "Jagiellons-Habsburgs agreements in Vienna" with requirements:
- Polish dynasty is Jagiellon
- Bohemian or Hungarian dynasty is Jagiellon
- Is year between 1500-1525
- Austria has set Poland as rival
- Austria is Emperor (maybe ?)

It cause Austrian events with options:

1) "Accept agreements with Jagiellons dynasty" with effects:
- Poland remove Austria from rival and Austria remove Poland from rival
- Polish-Austrian relations +100
- Austria dissolve alliances with all Poland rivals and vice versa
- Makes Bohemia lesser partner in union under Austria (if Bohemian ruler is from Jagiellon dynasty)
- Makes Hungary lesser partner in union under Austria (if Hungary ruler is from Jagiellon dynasty)

2) Decline offer from Jagiellons with effect +X prestige


It can be just, historical and give chance for:
- Bohemian and Hungary independece with quitenew line of history
- Bohemian-Hungary Union
- Austrian-Hungary-Bohemian Union
- Austrian-Hungary Union
- Austrian-Bohemian Union

 

[Jorlaan]

I honestly cannot remember the last time Bohemia fell under an Austrian PU, it just never happens in my games. Hungary just got integrated in my current game though. Them I see getting PU'ed a fair enough amount of times.

 

[Ostovar Hossein]

Because mostly when Hungary declines the PU, it tends to get crushed by the Ottomans, Bohemia and Poland. It doesn't help that they rival Poland to 99% at the start of the game and once Hungary starts not doing so well, all 3 usually jump on it and completely destroy it. Unless Poland decides to appoint a local noble and loses to the Teuton in which case it is the only time Hungary tends to blob out.

Anyway, I fail to see how Castille and Poland get these high % Railroad numbers for their PUs while Austria gets neither Bohemia nor Hungary in 8/10 runs. At least have them keep the alliance (which tends to get dissbanded after Hungary declines the PU).

While I agree it would be pretty boring and OP if Austria would PU Bohemia AND Hungary 75% of the time (good luck winning the League War now..), the PU over Hungary need to happen more often because it seems to be the only thing to prevent the Ottos from knocking at Vienna's door at 1480.

Oh and yes I know you can get both PUs every single time...as a player but the A.i. is definetly incabable to claim the thrones successfully.

This and also fix Poland not PU lit and being eaten by Russia...

 

[kgmi]

This and also fix Poland not PU lit and being eaten by Russia...

There is nothing to fix, it has its 75%? or whatever railroaded chance to fire, which it does, while Austria pretty much never PU's Bohemia and rarely PU's Hungary because the AI is incabable of using the "claim throne" cb.

 

[celethiel]

what is "supposed" to happens is Hungary says no, and Austria gets a restore Union Casi-belli and then never uses it... I've never seen the AI use the restore union casi belli, and rarely use the claim throne CB correctly when someone ELSE gets the personal Union.
for instance England might get a PU over Burgundy, and France would contest.... but rather than take the whole sebange as a lesser partner.... France takes 3 or for provinces and a lot of money.
Personally i think it'd would be fine if the AI ACTUALLY DID IT correctly.

 

[Ostovar Hossein]

There is nothing to fix, it has its 75%? or whatever railroaded chance to fire, which it does, while Austria pretty much never PU's Bohemia and rarely PU's Hungary because the AI is incabable of using the "claim throne" cb.

well I played 10 diff games so far and I haven't seen them PU lit. 75% chance where did u get that from?

 

[Vogelwiese]

well I played 10 diff games so far and I haven't seen them PU lit. 75% chance where did u get that from?

From the event file for poland:
}

option = {
name = flavor_pol.18.a #We must retain the Jagiellon Dynasty
ai_chance = {
factor = 75
}
create_union = LIT
country_event = {
id = flavor_pol.20
}
}