The chance for A.I. Austria to PU Hungary needs to be higher

[kgmi]

Because mostly when Hungary declines the PU, it tends to get crushed by the Ottomans, Bohemia and Poland. It doesn't help that they rival Poland to 99% at the start of the game and once Hungary starts not doing so well, all 3 usually jump on it and completely destroy it. Unless Poland decides to appoint a local noble and loses to the Teuton in which case it is the only time Hungary tends to blob out.

Anyway, I fail to see how Castille and Poland get these high % Railroad numbers for their PUs while Austria gets neither Bohemia nor Hungary in 8/10 runs. At least have them keep the alliance (which tends to get dissbanded after Hungary declines the PU).

While I agree it would be pretty boring and OP if Austria would PU Bohemia AND Hungary 75% of the time (good luck winning the League War now..), the PU over Hungary need to happen more often because it seems to be the only thing to prevent the Ottos from knocking at Vienna's door at 1480.

Oh and yes I know you can get both PUs every single time...as a player but the A.i. is definetly incabable to claim the thrones successfully.

 

[ElGranCapitan]

Maybe an event similiar to the Iberian Wedding between 1500 and 1550, as the 1455 PU is actually not historical

The missions that Austria currently gets don't help the AI at all

 

[Palatinus Germanicus]

In a recent run for me (Tabarestan, I think it was), Austria got the PU w/ Hungary early on (thanks to Hungary choosing the ahistorical choice near the beginning of the game).

And then...

They INHERITED them, right around 1500!

I wish I saw that happening more often. An 'early Austrian Empire' scenario. Btw, he eventually chose the PU Bohemia mission, but never acted on it for some reason. An incredibly lucky, but unfortunately stupid A.I.
In any case, Austria was pretty strong, that game... fairly early. -Put an interesting spin on things.

 

[KazimierzWielki]

You have significantly right. I was playing as Poland very many times. I wasn't seeing that Austria formed personal union with Bohemia. It has been never. Furthermore I wasn't seeing Bohemian-Hungary union, but historicaly it was. Exactly, Jagiellon's dynasty ruled in Poland-Lithuanian Union and Bohemian-Hungarian Union. Austrian's Habsburgs created Austrian-Bohemian-Hungarian Union in consequence of agreement in First Congress of Vienna after death of Louis II Jagiellon. Game give no chance for this.

 

[Rabid]

I'd love to see a bit more historical railroading for AI Austria. Less conquering big chunks of Germany, and more PUs with Hungary and Bohemia.

 

[kgmi]

I'd love to see a bit more historical railroading for AI Austria. Less conquering big chunks of Germany, and more PUs with Hungary and Bohemia.

Pretty much, yes. Although it is not as bad like it was in the past when Austria took "coonect the Habsburb land" mission and just went on annexing all of southern Germany...

 

[Dongerino]

Because mostly when Hungary declines the PU, it tends to get crushed by the Ottomans

So the historical outcome?

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

I'd love to see a bit more historical railroading for AI Austria. Less conquering big chunks of Germany, and more PUs with Hungary and Bohemia.

If you want more historical railroading, Hungary should be more likely to decline the PU, since that's (under a layer of EU4 abstraction) what actually happened.

Actually, in all starts after Mohács, Hungary and Bohemia aren't even PUed. They’re just integrated by Austria. But the integrated/unintegrated distinction for PUs and vassals is fucked in EU4 anyway.

 

[Hessian Mercenary]

Maybe an event similiar to the Iberian Wedding between 1500 and 1550, as the 1455 PU is actually not historical

The missions that Austria currently gets don't help the AI at all

Judging by the numbers of people agreeing with you this seems like a popular solution. However I have to say don't really like it (but I also don't like the Iberian Wedding). 1500 to 1550 is far too late into the game, a lot of stuff can happen in the meantime and then often such an event feels completely off because it's not fitting the actual circumstances in a playthrough.

I can agree that something needs to be done about the Habsburg monarchy, it's one of the most important dynasties in history and yet Austria consistently underperforms in EU4. I just don't think railroading via events in the 16th century is the right way. Hopefully Paradox will address these problems in a future DLC, either something like a Habsburg immersion pack (could also include overhauling Spain) or a HRE focused expansion. Now that special government forms are a thing again, lets make the Archduchy great again. And of course Habsburg Monarchy as a formable tag with the black and yellow flag

 

[holyvigil]

I personally like it when historical events have a chance but not a guaranteed event for occurring especially later in the game. It's always fun to me to go over and see if the Netherlands formed or back when Ming used to explode seeing if that happened yet. Seeing things stay stagnant in the late game is not as fun a game to me.

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

Judging by the numbers of people agreeing with you this seems like a popular solution. However I have to say don't really like it (but I also don't like the Iberian Wedding). 1500 to 1550 is far too late into the game, a lot of stuff can happen in the meantime and then often such an event feels completely off because it's not fitting the actual circumstances in a playthrough.

I can agree that something needs to be done about the Habsburg monarchy, it's one of the most important dynasties in history and yet Austria consistently underperforms in EU4. I just don't think railroading via events in the 16th century is the right way. Hopefully Paradox will address these problems in a future DLC, either something like a Habsburg immersion pack (could also include overhauling Spain) or a HRE focused expansion. Now that special government forms are a thing again, lets make the Archduchy great again. And of course Habsburg Monarchy as a formable tag with the black and yellow flag

An Iberian-Wedding-like event for Austria and Hungary in 1500-1550 is even more justified than the Iberian Wedding itself. Although Castile & Aragón did have more of a shared destiny since their foundation than Austria & Hungary did, before Ferdinand and Isabella, they had never been in personal union before, while Austria & Hungary were tenuously united 1437-1457, and spent the next 70 years trying to restore it with treaties and marriages before succeeding.

I was going to say they should just get a mission like they do for Bohemia. But in fact they already do. I'm not sure why we so rarely see the AI take either of them. Are the max-development values set too high?

I don't have a strong opinion on whether things like the Iberian Wedding fit well in EU4, but I certainly agree with your other comments. With exception of formable Habsburg - I much prefer keeping multiple tags whenever the realms continue under their own separate traditions and laws. Spain tag should represent post-Nueva-Planta Spain, not whatever arbitrary unmotivated thing it does now. Such a shame gameplay is supposedly not suited to such an approach. But M&T looks like it's a lot better in this respect.

 

[Palatinus Germanicus]

As I outlined in detail in the thread I just made, Hungary suddenly jumping into a union via early-game event, just totally ruined my T.O. game. But hey, that's cool.

 

[Lor360]

Judging by the numbers of people agreeing with you this seems like a popular solution. However I have to say don't really like it (but I also don't like the Iberian Wedding). 1500 to 1550 is far too late into the game, a lot of stuff can happen in the meantime and then often such an event feels completely off because it's not fitting the actual circumstances in a playthrough.

I can agree that something needs to be done about the Habsburg monarchy, it's one of the most important dynasties in history and yet Austria consistently underperforms in EU4. I just don't think railroading via events in the 16th century is the right way. Hopefully Paradox will address these problems in a future DLC, either something like a Habsburg immersion pack (could also include overhauling Spain) or a HRE focused expansion. Now that special government forms are a thing again, lets make the Archduchy great again. And of course Habsburg Monarchy as a formable tag with the black and yellow flag

While not perfect, a "disaster" mechanic would help historic PUs feel less random and sudden. Something like a reverse disaster for Austria in a 50 year period where progress ticks by + 1 for Austria having more prestige / diplo rep / bigger army than Hungary. Once it reaches 100% the PU with Hungary fires.

 

[durbal]

Why anyone would want this historical railroading (especially in the style of the terrible IW) is beyond me.

Hungary did refuse the PU. Hungary did get crushed by the Ottomans. The Ottomans did siege Vienna.

Making Austria a superpower in the early 16th century would completely ruin the HRE and all associated mechanics...and for what? So that the Ottomans aren't as strong? For one thing, the Ottomans are getting rightfully nerfed, and secondly Austria never takes action against the Ottomans until they chew through Hungary anyway -- which is pretty much the most historical outcome. You're asking to screw up the region with railroaded events that defy history.

 

[Dakka]

Though I would like to see Austria as a credible threat again, I do feel that this reason in particular:

because it seems to be the only thing to prevent the Ottos from knocking at Vienna's door at 1480.

shouldn't really be taken into account until after the next patch is released. Between Janissaries being removed as an army wide modifier, the loss of the Ottoman starting cores, and the strengthening of the Persian and Mamluk states, it would be best to see how the area plays out with these changes before we change anything to nerf the Ottomans even further. They need to be challenged at a point, but we don't want to break them completely.

 

[ChloePech]

I think the whole thing needs to be more complex. Technically Frederick wasnt even duke of Austria- only Styria. He was regent of it for his relative (in a different branch of the family) Ladislaus- you know. He was by right duke of Austria, King of Hungary, and even king of Bohemia. So an event where Hungary gets all that (though they'd have to fight for Bohemia) should be also accessible.

 

[gronak]

I think the chances for them to get a PU over Bohemia should be higher too - I do not remember the last time I seen Bohemia under a PU of Austria. Austria is no where near as much of a threat as they should be. Being such an influential and important nation over the period EU4 covers, they should be helped to become this great power in game. Should be noted that it should not happen every game, but I'd say around half of them.

 

[geckoman1011]

Why anyone would want this historical railroading (especially in the style of the terrible IW) is beyond me.

I agree entirely. railroading has ruined the game for me. if you want historical outcomes, read a history book.

 

[Dakka]

I agree entirely. railroading has ruined the game for me. if you want historical outcomes, read a history book.

I think a good compromise would be a game option to turn them on or off. I personally enjoy the events. I feel it adds more of a "historical feel" to my games. But I can understand why people don't like it as well.

 

[makaramus]

What I think is if hungary refuse the union their alliance with austria should be instantly broken without any truce so if austria can manage he can force union as a player would