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I'm italian: first I'd try Italy for sure.

But...

Of course at the begin of Victoria (1835 a.D.) Italy was not unite yet, so I'll try one of the states in the italian peninsula. But not Piemonte, cause I hate the Savoia's dinasty. ;)

I would like to play Lombardy-Venetian reign (Regno del Lombardoveneto) 'couse I live in Lombardy. But exactly in 1835 Lombardy and Venetian were under Austria Empire, though few years after they rise up against Austria Empire...
So, I will see how they set the game at the begin of 1835.

For sure the years between 1835 and 1861 were years very animate in Italy. Infact we italian call that years the "Risorgimento": a political revival that I may traslate to you "the Rise of Italy as a Country" as we know more or less now...
Infact, in spite of a lot of you can imagine, until those years Italian people didn't consider themself "Italian". From the medioeval Italy was divided in varius powerful and rich states with their money, their lenguages, thieir food, their cultures, their armys.
Every times one of this states tried to become bigger the others rise against him. And also there was the Pope that didn't want the unification of Italy, for various reasons...

In this "strange" situation the italian's states arrived to 1835, at the begin of Victoria game.
Only in the 1861 a.D. Italy becomes a nation (even in a strange way...).

So, the years between 1835 and 1920 coincide with the born of Italy (and more or less Germany too) as a Country!!
...strange how few years later Italy and Germany will see others things in common. ;)

It's not so easy to put it in a deep strategy game like this, and feel it plausible... I would like to see how Paradox people will manage it.
I just hope that Italy couldn't be unite only under the detest Savoia dinasty.

Ciao!
 

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I agree with you.
One of the great challanges of Vicky (in the making of the game that is) will be the rise of new nations, and likewise the collapse of them (Austrian-Hungary for instance, with an early "WW I" ).

Looking foreward to seeing how the developers will cut it! :)
 

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I would like to see a possibility for another Italian Unification:

When Garibaldi conquered Sicily and Naples, he handed them over to the King of Sardinia (can't remember his name - was it Victor Emmanuel?) who was thereafter proclaimed King of Italy.
BUT what if Garibaldi had decided to unite Italy with himself as King? Garibaldi was a hero, and would probably have enjoyed the people's support for such a choice.

It's hard to do though, but I think it could be interesting.
 

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Wasn't Garibaldi a republican?
 

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Garibaldi as a king??? what heresy. But the question is intersting. What if a republican alliance between Garibaldi and Mazzini to unite Italy? Or what if... a anarchist peasant revolution in south italy? or what if... an alliance between progressist bourgeoisie and working class in the north Italy in 1848?
A good challenge for the developers to implement political mouvement and class struggles in the XIX century
 

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Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking when suggesting Garibaldi as a King...:eek:

But a Republic of Italy would be cool. If I recall it correct, Sardinia feared exactly that Garibaldi would proclaim a republic, and they therefore sent an army to intercept him.
 

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Originally posted by Hive
I would like to see a possibility for another Italian Unification:

When Garibaldi conquered Sicily and Naples, he handed them over to the King of Sardinia (can't remember his name - was it Victor Emmanuel?) who was thereafter proclaimed King of Italy.
BUT what if Garibaldi had decided to unite Italy with himself as King? Garibaldi was a hero, and would probably have enjoyed the people's support for such a choice.

It's hard to do though, but I think it could be interesting.

First of all: my compliments for your italian history knowledge.
('couse u look like from denmark...)

What u said is quite true.
The king of Sardinia and Piemonte (in the past he gave as "a present" Corsica to France, just in the days when Napoleone was growing in that island. For this reason we can say Napoleon is quite italian. But this is another story...).
Anyway, that king is Victor Emmanuel of course. Precisely he is Vittorio Emanuele II (the second) of Savoia.
This king gave some of the support that help Garibaldi to conquered (to free, better) Sicily and Naples. But Vittorio Emanuele II didn't expect Garibaldi win as he did.

After that Garibaldi didn't stop himself at the border of Pope state, but he went ahead. Immediately Vittorio Emanuele II, that didn't want to go against the Pope went, with his army, vs the Garibaldi Army... But the king arrived too late. Infact Garibladi was already in Rome!

Garibaldi was republican, as many others in Italy ('couse there were a lot of middleclass) in that days. For this reason he didn't care the Pope. But he also thought that without a king Italy couldn't be unite soon...
Maybe he was right. Maybe not. Who know? ...but with Victoria we can test it! :D

Now think about this:
When Italy was unite under the Savoia's kingdom Vittorio Emanuele II, didn't change his name with Vittorio Emanuele I, 'couse he was the first king of Italy. But he maintained Vittorio Emanule II (the second). >>> For this reason we can say that he treated Italy, in particular the south of Italy as a conquest! Or as a colony!!
Now, 2003 a.D., there is a big technical and business difference between the North and the South of Italy yet... (...and this is one of the reasons)

[Savoia suck!]

P.S.
For sure after this events the Pope power was significantly reduce, until the fascism. But this is another story...
 

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Why would have him changed his number??
After all when Spain the Castilian Number of Monarch was Continued. When GB the English, and that way in most of examples, except Germany as already existed the title since centuries ago.
 

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Originally posted by Txini
Why would have him changed his number??
After all when Spain the Castilian Number of Monarch was Continued. When GB the English, and that way in most of examples, except Germany as already existed the title since centuries ago.

Because Italy is not Savoy.
Viva Gaetano Bresci!!!!!!!!
 

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Originally posted by Txini
Why would have him changed his number??

Because all the good kings did it when they united their countrys under their flags.
Anyway, I don't care the number, but this just a thing to understand the way he wanted to follow to reign over Italy...

Few years later his family will harvest the fruits of this choice. :D
 

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Originally posted by Nim Namhir
Because all the good kings did it when they united their countrys under their flags.

Gibe me an example of that??
 

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It would also be interesting if borh Italy and Germany has the opprtunity to form as early as 1848, with the revolutions.

I seem to remember that Lombardia and Venezia, with the support from Sardinia (I prefer the name Sardinia above both Savoy and Piedmont, for reasons that are irrelevant here) revolted against Austria - but was defeated. And after that, Charles Albert (or Carlo Alberto if you wish) abdicated in favor of Victor Emmanuel. Would it have been a different Italy if they had united in 1848 instead of 1861? Interesting possilbility IMHO.

Oh, and yes I am from Denmark. Italian history fascinates me, and I have recently made my own unification events for an EU2 mod. They caused me lot of speculation to make, as it's quite difficult to simulate the historic Unification correctly - so I'm excited to see how Paradox will manage it.:)
 

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Originally posted by Hive
It would also be interesting if borh Italy and Germany has the opprtunity to form as early as 1848, with the revolutions.

I seem to remember that Lombardia and Venezia, with the support from Sardinia (I prefer the name Sardinia above both Savoy and Piedmont, for reasons that are irrelevant here) revolted against Austria - but was defeated. And after that, Charles Albert (or Carlo Alberto if you wish) abdicated in favor of Victor Emmanuel. Would it have been a different Italy if they had united in 1848 instead of 1861? Interesting possilbility IMHO.

That's right, but maybe an earlier Italy or Germany would have done Austria or France to be more aggresive
 

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Originally posted by Txini
That's right, but maybe an earlier Italy or Germany would have done Austria or France to be more aggresive

And maybe even England? Revolutionary states were not popular, and feared among the conservative Europe - which is propably the biggest reason why the Prussian King (Friedrich something) didn't accept the German crown in 1848.

Maybe we would have seen a French-Austrian alliance? Could be interesting... very interesting....;)
 

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Originally posted by Depaz
Because Italy is not Savoy.

Exactly. :)

I hope the Paradox people know that in Italy there are a lot of people that hate, or don't care, the Savoy.

Viva Gaetano Bresci!!!!!!!!

:D :D :D

For who doesn't know him: Gaetano Bresci assassinated King Umberto! (The son of Vittorio Emanuele II)


- The story of Gaetano Bresci in short -
"He was born in Italy in 1878. He emigrated to the United States and settled in Patterson, New Jersey, where he married and started a family.

Bresci found work as a silk-weaver and became involved in the local trade union movement. He developed anarchist views and helped establish the radical journal, La Questione Sociale.

In 1900 Bresci asked for the return of $150 he had loaned the newspaper. With the money he travelled to Italy and assassinated King Umberto."
 

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Originally posted by Txini
That's right, but maybe an earlier Italy or Germany would have done Austria or France to be more aggresive

1848 was in all Europe. If in France winned the february revolution, radical and socialist?
 

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Originally posted by Nim Namhir
Exactly. :)

I hope the Paradox people know that in Italy there are a lot of people that hate, or don't care, the Savoy.



:D :D :D

For who doesn't know him: Gaetano Bresci assassinated King Umberto! (The son of Vittorio Emanuele II)


- The story of Gaetano Bresci in short -
"He was born in Italy in 1878. He emigrated to the United States and settled in Patterson, New Jersey, where he married and started a family.

Bresci found work as a silk-weaver and became involved in the local trade union movement. He developed anarchist views and helped establish the radical journal, La Questione Sociale.

In 1900 Bresci asked for the return of $150 he had loaned the newspaper. With the money he travelled to Italy and assassinated King Umberto."

There was an antefact. In 1898 there were riots in Milano. Workers mouvement in the street 'cause famine and fighting for rights. Umeberto II was a king and general Bava Beccaris ordered to fire against workers in strike. 100 killed and 500 blessed. Gaetano Bresci wanted to revenge this crime killing the king.
 

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Originally posted by Nim Namhir
William I (England)

William I?? there was no William before him, he cannot get other number!