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In a previous post, I explained some reasoning and additions that could be added to the European Patch. There I focussed on the Low Countries: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-case-for-the-lowlands.1249985/

Today I move my focus east to North West Germany and what I think should be added alongside the changes proposed in the dev diary you can read here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...u4-development-diary-7th-of-may-2019.1174864/

I am creating a simple mod that isnt really meant for gameplay to show off the map changes as I would think them appropriate.

20191015002005_1.jpg

I took the opportunity to completely redesign Münster's lands.

Munster itself or also known as Upper Munster has been given its entire territory it comprised there. Meppen on the other hand, known as Lower Munster has been placed appropriately north seperated by Osnabrück and Tecklenburg.

So the first suggestion:

Tecklenburg - Comprising the areas of the counties of both Tecklenburg and Bentheim, which at times were united or ruled by the same dynasty.

It would involve a new tag and the province would be a poor area, not super rich, but rich enough for inclusion. A unique starting position between surrounded by 2 bishops and Münster really close to eating them.

Hoya - Hoya has been released as its own country. In 1444 it was not ruled by Brunswick and I made the change accordingly.

As you may see there is a trend emerging. Much more tags in this small area, to really show the reality of the fractured saxony.

Minden - Minden has been added. A Prince bishop as well and at times ruled by the same bishop as Münster, Paderborn, Cologne and Osnabrück. Its really hard to go into this exactly as the many of these bishops were ruled conjointly by one bishop and at his death would elect a new bishop who could be from any of these nations.
Maybe an interesting mechanic could be added here to show how the bishops in northern germany were often ruled in personal union but for one bishops life.

Lippe - Lippe is a county which has been added to 1.30's proposed germany in a few forms. Im not sure what the developers decided upon this time, but it was first known as Bielefeld and ruled by Berg/Julich and was a releasable? I added it as Lippe here, a state which existed for a long time in the HRE and German Confederation.

Mark & Dortmund - While Dortmund is being planned for 1.30 Mark is missing. I think there is enough room for both. Dortmund being an imperial city and Mark being ruled by Kleve giving Kleve its lost province back.

Stade - Stade is interesting. The area was ruled over by the archbishop of Bremen and was later joined with Verden to form Bremen-Verden and given to Sweden in the 30 years war.
Stade should be independant and should be a unique case of two Bremen's. One the imperial city and one the archbishop. I am making a big point about this as I feel with Stade its an archbishop which was a very limited title and should gain the prestige it deserves. While at times ruled in union by Verden by one bishop. In 1444 this was not the case.

Fulda - The Unique Prince-Abbey where many corronations of the Emperor happened and some are still burried. In 1.30 once again PDX decided against adding a new tag. I disagree, and added a tag accordingly.

Darmstadt and Aschaffenburg - In the upcoming update they plan on giving aschaffenburg a large territory and giving it to Mainz. I propose adding the city of Darmstadt and the county of Katzlenbogen here. In 1444 Katzlenbogen was still around but later would be integrated into Hesse after which it was split between multiple brothers and became known as Hesse-Darmstadt. A state that would life on in the German Confederation.

Here another picture to show what I have been talking about this entire post:
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Green outlines most of the new provinces planned in 1.30
Red outlines things I think should be considered and added.
And Yellow outlines what I have been talking about and some of the provinces being added 1.30


Sidenote: I used a lot of BT code in regards to countries I suggest to be added. You can find Beyond Typus here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=631545981&searchtext=beyond+typus
 
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Of course, I love to see expansions of map, I would like to see even more provinces in this region, but maybe if there were alot of interresting missions, specific ideas and more minor features. (For example Julich-Cleves-Berg as in MEIOU). Just research internet to find these less-known history of HRE.
 

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I think that Osnabruck should be separated from Munster before Tecklenburg becomes a tag.

Indeed. Its something that would be perfect. But there needs to be a system to show how the religious states in north germany functioned.

Munster was in PU with Osnabruck from 1442 to 1450 and from 1497 to 1508 and 1532 to 1553 and 1566 to 1574.
Munster was with Minden from 1532 to 1553
Munster and Paderborn from 1568 to 1574
Paderborn with Osnabruck from 1508 to 1532
Cologne with Paderborn from 1415 to 1463
Bremen with Munster from 1466 to 1496
Bremen with Verden from 1511 to 1558
Bremen with Minden from 1558 to 1566
etc.

Bishops were many times ruling over multiple bishoprics and would end on death. Currently the game just gives Paderborn to Cologne and Osnabruck to Munster as unions dont really exist on game start unless there is a good reason. Aka Burgundy and Kalmar.

The current system would not function for it as a personal union wouldnt end on death and independant doesnt make sense either. Vassal is not perfect either etc.

But this guy really went insane:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_of_Bavaria
And this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_of_Bavaria_(bishop)
 

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Munster was in PU with Osnabruck from 1442 to 1450 and from 1497 to 1508 and 1532 to 1553 and 1566 to 1574.
Munster was with Minden from 1532 to 1553
Munster and Paderborn from 1568 to 1574
Paderborn with Osnabruck from 1508 to 1532
Cologne with Paderborn from 1415 to 1463
Bremen with Munster from 1466 to 1496
Bremen with Verden from 1511 to 1558
Bremen with Minden from 1558 to 1566

We need something like this in EU4.
 

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Indeed. Its something that would be perfect. But there needs to be a system to show how the religious states in north germany functioned.

Munster was in PU with Osnabruck from 1442 to 1450 and from 1497 to 1508 and 1532 to 1553 and 1566 to 1574.
Munster was with Minden from 1532 to 1553
Munster and Paderborn from 1568 to 1574
Paderborn with Osnabruck from 1508 to 1532
Cologne with Paderborn from 1415 to 1463
Bremen with Munster from 1466 to 1496
Bremen with Verden from 1511 to 1558
Bremen with Minden from 1558 to 1566
etc.

Bishops were many times ruling over multiple bishoprics and would end on death. Currently the game just gives Paderborn to Cologne and Osnabruck to Munster as unions dont really exist on game start unless there is a good reason. Aka Burgundy and Kalmar.

The current system would not function for it as a personal union wouldnt end on death and independant doesnt make sense either. Vassal is not perfect either etc.

But this guy really went insane:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_of_Bavaria
And this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_of_Bavaria_(bishop)

We need something like this in EU4.


I suggested a mechanic for electing Bishops on my other thread here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-roman-redux.1257395/
from various devoted Catholic dynasties. Perhaps a way to represent your suggestion would be to have it possible that a particularly powerful bishop gets elected to more than one and forms a temporary personal union. I think the current personal union system could work as there is already code to end a personal union if the subject has a negative opinion and the ruler dies. For Bishoprics this could be changed to just ending on ruler death, without any caveats.
 

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I suggested a mechanic for electing Bishops on my other thread here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-roman-redux.1257395/
from various devoted Catholic dynasties. Perhaps a way to represent your suggestion would be to have it possible that a particularly powerful bishop gets elected to more than one and forms a temporary personal union. I think the current personal union system could work as there is already code to end a personal union if the subject has a negative opinion and the ruler dies. For Bishoprics this could be changed to just ending on ruler death, without any caveats.
This idea is really good, hope some DEV will have a butcher's on it.
I think we should also expand dynasties and maybe have something like dynastic tree, to know what's going on around your court :p
 

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I suggested a mechanic for electing Bishops on my other thread here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-roman-redux.1257395/
from various devoted Catholic dynasties. Perhaps a way to represent your suggestion would be to have it possible that a particularly powerful bishop gets elected to more than one and forms a temporary personal union. I think the current personal union system could work as there is already code to end a personal union if the subject has a negative opinion and the ruler dies. For Bishoprics this could be changed to just ending on ruler death, without any caveats.

I would love there to be a elective poland esque system where different bishops could attempt to influence the next heir and the choose an heir event would be modified to boost your own candidate and would fire like a few times so you could strategically choose the next heir.
 

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I would love there to be a elective poland esque system where different bishops could attempt to influence the next heir and the choose an heir event would be modified to boost your own candidate and would fire like a few times so you could strategically choose the next heir.
Well, i think Poland and Lithuania have ALOT things missing historically, but that's the topic for another suggestion, however really necesarry.

Anyways, I think cleregy and archbishorps should have more influence at least till 1600. I don't have any specific ideas yet, maybe you have if you agree.
2nd thing - I think we can add releasable nations Bishopric of Paderborn and Duchy of Westphalen. There is alot of minor things which might be added about all these countries.
 

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This idea is really good, hope some DEV will have a butcher's on it.
I think we should also expand dynasties and maybe have something like dynastic tree, to know what's going on around your court :p

I wish, I don't think we'll ever see a dynasty rework though, cause people have asked for that for a long time.

I would love there to be a elective poland esque system where different bishops could attempt to influence the next heir and the choose an heir event would be modified to boost your own candidate and would fire like a few times so you could strategically choose the next heir.

I totally forgot about Polands election, but that would serve as perfect basis for Prince-Bishops, the button is already in the interface! You could "Support Heir" in a Bishopric, with a monthly tick based on your papal influence. Just like you said different events could play into it.
 

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