The burjats are still broken

[Nabrotleon]

The buryats are still broken

Hey guys,

normally I'am a friend of the "reform or die"-ideology for the hordes. But... the buryats, they have the horde-techgroup with horde-units, the other sibiran-clans have the chinese-techgroup with chinese-units. In both situations you can reform the government to a normal monarchy, but the burjats still own her old horde-units.
Thats are really bad, then that make the reformation unusally. (Because the horde-units are not updating, but the chinese do that)

I hope you understand my feelings.

With friendly greetings,
Nabrotleon

 

[achmedino]

Sounds like something that does indeed need to be fixed. For anyone that didn't understand what he meant: apparently the Buryats don't get a different unit group after reforming, meaning they're stuck with 6 pip total units the entire game.

I haven't tried them out myself, but I'm just going to assume what you're saying is right.

 

[JellyRev]

This also happens when one forms Manchu. The government changes but tech and units stay the same. And the reform decision disappears. Instead one has to form Qing which is difficult mainly bc one is stuck with horde units.

 

[Cossack_PL]

Actually Horde units are superior to Chinese until tech 9-12 and Ming has a 1/1/1 starting ruler (heir also not better), so with military NF it's easy to keep tech advantage and in my current game at 1505 they are still at tech 6 (I'm 9 as Manchu), so it's really enough time to make use of the Horde unit advantage and switch to Qing just at the moment they become worse than Chinese.