The "Bugfeast" and the never happy crowd.

[FietsPomp]

Though it is true you cannot please everyone, I disagree with the notion of the "never happy crowd".
There are significant design decisions that have been taken that have incrementaly sucked some fun out of the game.
While taken individually it is often easy to understand the underlying factor for these changes such as balance, late game and historical accuracy
there is one factor that often seems to take a backseat, and that is fun.
EU3 was less historic, poorly balanced and had next to no late game, but it sure was a whole lot more fun, and I find myself returning to it. Same with CK2.
EU4 quite clearly the most constricted Paradox game to date, and I think that is very reasonable to be bummed out about that.

 

[kitemasaki]

I've been a defender of the EU4 team for many of their expansions, but this one has pushed me to the side of whatever you think the 'never happy crowd' is. There is a difference in just nagging away at every single idea and then being genuinely upset over incompetence. I am upset about the incompetence.

 

[Oogh]

Buggy patches/dlcs is par for the course now with PDX and EU. I learned several patches ago not to get to hot and bothered with anything on release day. Let the hardcore fanboys betatest it for a week, and just spend time with family and friends while you wait for the numerous hotfixes. Hakuna matata!

 

[DukeWilleo1630]

I have really enjoyed AoW so far. But, there are a lot of minor bugs right now. Hopefully they can fix them in a reasonable time.

 

[Xara]

So in conclusion what I am trying to say is why are some people never happy even when they are presented with a superb product? Also inb4 learn to structure your arguments.

Learn to structure your arguments - don't present everything as a false dichotomy.

I enjoy the game and I am happy to have it. That does not mean I cannot be outspoken about clear bugs. That does not mean I have no right to speak my ire about how they got through the process, regardless of when they may or will be patched.

 

[Kalderus]

So I been lurking the forums for a while and every time there is major update some people will attack it like there is no tomorrow
Some times rightfully so (1.6 super rebels that got patch that same week) some times with outrageous exaggerations (15 year max truce that didnt actually hurt world conquest DDRjake Im looking at you >_>)
This time around people keeps crying and crying about how many "bugs" the game has but when challenge they never go into details or mention ONE bug that will surely get patch within a week
Further more when proven wrong (Krajzen made an outstanding post http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?812420-So-many-bugs )
instead of actually countering him or showing why they are mad the never happy crowd just runs off to another part of the forum to keep bitching

So in conclusion what I am trying to say is why are some people never happy even when they are presented with a superb product?

Also inb4 learn to structure your arguments.

So I presume you wholeheartedly support the current and previous horde nerfs (no additional unit types despite Sub-Saharan African + NA natives getting new ones, 25% min autonomy floor, no building foreign tech units in conquered foreign cores, earlier- requirement to reform before westernizing, reforming requiring min 90 legitimacy- despite legitimacy being almost impossible to control)?

Or am I just a disgruntled member of the "never-happy crowd"?

 

[SacredDatura]

I'm kind of on the fence on this.

On the one hand, the bugginess of the patches should be criticized. The free-patch-with-DLC model is cool, but what's not cool is the game becoming sub-optimal every couple of months either due to balance or bugs because of this model. I also generally don't agree with the policy of closing exploits that only godly players or really gamey ones will do. Instead of this adversarial arms race with the players, shouldn't they work towards creating such an immersive sandbox to play in that players care enough about the coherence of their game world not to cheese the game? And I feel like sometimes the dev team brings a sledgehammer to a problem that needs a scalpel. The colony autonomy floor, for example, seems like one.

But I feel like there is a subset of players for whom nothing Paradox does is ever not terribad. The problem is that it's often hard to distinguish these people from people with legit constructive criticism. These people expend so much vitriol on some inconsequential thing that a few actually insightful threads about more major issues get drowned out in the noise.

And it gives a toxic atmosphere to the forum that is just awful. Following the development of AoW over these past two months the urge to post the Arnold clip of him telling the toddlers to "STOP WHINING" is sometimes overwhelming. Like, come on, guys. I love Paradox games too but they're not the only good games out there. When you spend so much time raging about one game maybe it's time to take a step back and ask yourself if it's really worth it.

 

[Vordeo]

Adding yet another topic really doesn't help either way, so I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

+1.

I mean, this is pretty much like someone making a new thread about France being OP every other week.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The OP has no substantive argument whatsoever. I don't even know how to post on topic in this one. Name calling other people is not a topic.