The "Bugfeast" and the never happy crowd.

[Promanco]

So I been lurking the forums for a while and every time there is major update some people will attack it like there is no tomorrow
Some times rightfully so (1.6 super rebels that got patch that same week) some times with outrageous exaggerations (15 year max truce that didnt actually hurt world conquest DDRjake Im looking at you >_>)
This time around people keeps crying and crying about how many "bugs" the game has but when challenge they never go into details or mention ONE bug that will surely get patch within a week
Further more when proven wrong (Krajzen made an outstanding post http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?812420-So-many-bugs )
instead of actually countering him or showing why they are mad the never happy crowd just runs off to another part of the forum to keep bitching

So in conclusion what I am trying to say is why are some people never happy even when they are presented with a superb product?

Also inb4 learn to structure your arguments.

 

[TheChronoMaster]

Adding yet another topic really doesn't help either way, so I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

 

[Sweawm]

Don't get me wrong, I love Art of War to bits, but there's often not much to say but to point out that some particulars bugs make it quite rough to play right now. Unkillable natives for one, is driving me crazy. The rebel system is a bit messed up too, with rebels wanting to defect to *blank space*. I would have been quiet happy to sit back and wait another week for Art of War to be released if it meant Paradox had more time to work out some of the obvious bugs.

 

[Brainblow]

Eh, the team working on EUIV is apparently no more than 8 people. I can't blame them too much for bugs slipping through in a game with this many moving parts.
So long as the major bugs get fixed within a couple of days I'm perfectly content with what we've gotten.

 

[DKinator]

I can handle a bugfest if it'll be patched, but a bugfeast is out of the question. I don't care how good this game is, you can't make me do that (gosh, am I witty).

Regardless, until the performance issues are fixed, I can't experience any major or minor bugs anyway. At least it seems they're being proactive about investigating this issue. It's just really strange that some people are completely unaffected and others have issues barring them from playing the game, even with similar specifications.

 

[Promanco]

Performance issues I completely understand you are rightful to complain about them (I do not face them but my computer is quite good but I understand why someone would be upset about them)
And there is only one bug that really hinders the players experience the unkillable natives(The rebels that want to defect to the same country was already solve in the Beta hotfix)
However this bug is nothing compare to bugs from major releases of not only Paradox but the video game industry as a whole so I really dont get why people is so butthurt about bugs when really there is only one major one.

 

[ChildeR]

Because any bug that affects *you* is by definition important. If you see more bugs than expected, you feel there are loads. It's just human psychology.

Personally, I moved back to 1.7 for now because of three main issues: poor performance, CTDs when trying to look at trade nodes, and trade good problems (provinces without, lack of manufactories). Can't really play a colonizer like that.

 

[GoodmanNailo]

Forums are created so people can discuss things. What you call "bitching" is one of the forms of discussing (criticism), so what exactly is your problem? Also this:

I really dont get why people is so butthurt about bugs

that's just golden.

And there is only one bug that really hinders the players experience

Oh really? So crashes that some people experience - that is not important?

 

[DKinator]

Forums are created so people can discuss things. What you call "bitching" is one of the forms of discussing (criticism), so what exactly is your problem?

A fair assessment, but the type of 'criticism' that occurs often amounts to nothing more than sensational drivel.

 

[Promanco]

Most crashes where the multiplayer crash that was already address in the Beta hotfix and the whole alt-tab and no I dont see that as a major issue unless you run the game in the background.
Criticism is one thing bitching is a different thing. I got no problem with criticism. I agree with the people complaining about performance.
People crying and crying about bugs that are generally minor is not criticism if it was it would be in the bug report sub forum.

 

[mozgriken]

"People crying and crying about bugs that are generally minor is not criticism if it was it would be in the bug report sub forum"

Have you been to the bug forum since aow dropped? Over 10 pages (!!!) of 1.8 bug fixes have been generated in less than 2 days.
But you don't need to monitor subforum to see how whack this patch is. When strategy threads die while complain threads run 13+ pages. How many *minor* bugs add up to a *major* disappointment?

With all the energy they spent hyping up the release, polishing dev dairies, playing inhouse mp...it makes me wonder if this release couldn't have been tighter.

 

[Kalarhan]

"People crying and crying about bugs that are generally minor is not criticism if it was it would be in the bug report sub forum"

Have you been to the bug forum since aow dropped? Over 10 pages (!!!) of 1.8 bug fixes have been generated in less than 2 days.
But you don't need to monitor subforum to see how whack this patch is. When strategy threads die while complain threads run 13+ pages. How many *minor* bugs add up to a *major* disappointment?

With all the energy they spent hyping up the release, polishing dev dairies, playing inhouse mp...it makes me wonder if this release couldn't have been tighter.

Read this:

EDITED as this is much better than original comment haha



Okay, especially for you I decided to examine 41 bug reports from subforum.

1) Failed Reports

- A guy reports as bug unability to name army due to his error
- A guy reports non having Wester units on Westernization, not knowing this is intentional
- A guy reports as bug mechanic existing since pre - AOW
- A guy reports as a bug warleader mechanic, not knowing this is intentional
- A guy reports as a bug vassal relations cap, not knowing this is intentional
- A guy reports as a bug unability to annex OPM not knowing this is intentional in new peace mechanics
- A guy reports as a bug Guns Drums and Steel replacing old songs not knowing this is intentional
- A guy reports as a bug the feature of army templates not knowing how they are supposed to work
- A guy reports as a bug grammatical/cultural aspects of Chinese provinces
- A guy reports as a bug holy wars not knowing how they always worked - posted 2 times
- A guy reports as a bug force limit due to him not understanding how it is counted
- A guy wants Falalan remix aded to Guns Drum and Steel
- A gur reports as a bug supply range stuff which existed pre - AOW
- A guy reports as a bug three remote Asian cultures being grammatically incorrect due to plural form @_@
- A guy posts an issue with fleet template only to it being 'fixed' few hours later
- A guy posts an issue with HRE now knowing it was updated in AOW
- A guy reports as a bug accept rebel demands not knowing how it works in AOW
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2) Bug Reports

- Bugged natives in new Asian and African provinces - posted 3 times
- Trade range bug for a newly formed faction - posted 5 times
- Naval battles don't count into warscore
- Occasional multiplayer/ironman synchronization crashes
- Occasional crash after recalling merchants
- Occasional freezes of vassal armies which stand and do nothing
- AI has problems with evaluation of enemy armies while crossing water
- Minor bug: Unit sprites for Siberian four tribes and Ainu are Western
- Minor bug: Salish Shoshone
- Minor event unrest bug
- Minor bug: Ottoman rebels appear in Brazil
- Minor bug: papal influence can't buy stability
- Minor bug: in some cases the game UI shows 1000x production instead of x production for one month
- Minor bug: vassal evaluation on income overview
- Graphic error with rebels
- Cardinals count bug
- Minor bug: post battle report sometimes shows generic unit sprties when it shouldn't
- Extremely minor bug: marches shown as independent nations on main menu world map
- Extremely minor bug: Nobles Demand Rights for Ming is reduntant events due to no autonomy change allowed


6 significant bugs and a dozen of small so far. Possible to fix in two hotfixes or one patch. Definitely not enough to call a game 'bugfest' - this name is reserved for better cases.

Now chill out :rofl:

 

[the cool guy]

15 year max truce that didnt actually hurt world conquest

It was a bad change because it's not very fun to in some situations be forced to wait around with nothing to do.

 

[SonofWinter]

OP: I can't get past my first AUTOSAVE. On January 1, 1445 my game crashes. What more do you want me to say.

 

[mozgriken]

I'm chill. You should update your list, though. Pretty spotty.

 

[Rain Envy]

Some people have some serious bugs...me though... I've been having a blast and already put many hours into the expansion. best patch and exp ever

 

[Wolfmaster1979]

Eh, the team working on EUIV is apparently no more than 8 people. I can't blame them too much for bugs slipping through

This is the same bullshit excuse that is used over at the CK2 forums as well... (but instead of 8, it is 4 people)

No matter how you try to spin it, or defend PDS, their Q/A is trash (or to be more nice "subpar") and it has been that way for quite some time now.

 

[Kalarhan]

This is the same bullshit excuse that is used over at the CK2 forums as well... (but instead of 8, it is 4 people)

No matter how you try to spin it, or defend PDS, their Q/A is trash (or to be more nice "subpar") and it has been that way for quite some time now.

Wolfmaster is right. Paradox should just give up and stop making patchs and updates for this game. Its dead. Not worth it. Just kill it already.

(if someone cant tell, thats sarcasm)

 

[Promanco]

My save file got corrupted too I lost my random PU with Portugal so? savefile corruption is a danger in every game that saves a file try getting your save file corrupted in a pokemon game where you have the full dex ;_;
And no save file corruption has not increase with the patch(if you turn off the compression thingy) so I dont see the point of that.
I been on the bug report page and that is why I put the link in the OP yeah not that many bugs significantly less than most releases of any company.

 

[SonofWinter]

My save file got corrupted too I lost my random PU with Portugal so? savefile corruption is a danger in every game that saves a file try getting your save file corrupted in a pokemon game where you have the full dex ;_;
And no save file corruption has not increase with the patch(if you turn off the compression thingy) so I dont see the point of that.
I been on the bug report page and that is why I put the link in the OP yeah not that many bugs significantly less than most releases of any company.

Me not being able to play more than a month a half isn't significantly less. I can't explore any off the bugs because the game has a CTD on every load.

And I don't know what you think OP means, but you are the OP. As in the Original Poster.