The Brandenburg AI is beyond stupid

[Meow of Meowowiz]

and will never manage to get Prussia formed without help from the player.

I dunno but in over 2k hours played(+about another 1k+ hours in mp) I only have seen Prussia
without any help a single time and this was a few patches ago.

Most of the time Brandenburg either ends in a PU under Spain/Denmark or just get fully annexed
by minors after they use all their ressources helping Poland.

A main issue is that they waste tons of ressources (most of the time) to let the PLC grow early
if they're allied with them while the PLC just sits there and does nothing or even refuse a CoA
if Brandenburg gets attacked.

Tbh the alliance with PLC(or Poland+Lithuania PU thingy) is a major setback for the AI in this term.

They not only waste everything on the early crusades of them but even more on the 148x ones
when Muscovy decides to attack PLC. OFC AI Brandenburg is the first target a this point.
After their main army is wiped all the HRE minors near them decide to attack Brandenburg,
too and poland will just ignore the CoA.

So the Brandenburg AI just waste a ton of manpower/money to help poland conquering the TO
even if they would need the provinces themselves. And all for nothing, because the PLC AI just backstab them all the time.

I do get that the AI will never try an war on pommerania--->TO right afterwards etc. early one like
a player will do, before Poland can get the vital provinces but it does really annoy me that a major
like Prussia never comes into the play at all if you play against the AI.

It would be kinda nice if Brandenburg(if played by an AI) would get an increased chance of heirs
and also stop doing stupid things for Poland in the early game.

It should also a bit more aggressive against Pommerania tbh. It's an easy target and there is just
no reason at all to not get attacked by the AI at this point instead of wasting everything it has for
some neighboring country.

 

[wingren013]

Brandenburg was not some military juggernaut inevitably conquering its way to victory. They were a minor Duchy that got lucky in having the last Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order being in the line of inheritance.

If you told someone in 1444 that one of the northern German duchies would oneday to rise to prominence as the most powerful state in central Europe and asked them to guess which one they would have answered Saxony. Brandenburg and Prussia having crazy military ideas because of their accomplishments under the rule of one particular king is silly enough. Blind luck shouldn't be guaranteed to happen.

 

[Meow of Meowowiz]

Brandenburg was not some military juggernaut inevitably conquering its way to victory. They were a minor Duchy that got lucky in having the last Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order being in the line of inheritance.

If you told someone in 1444 that one of the northern German duchies would oneday to rise to prominence as the most powerful state in central Europe and asked them to guess which one they would have answered Saxony. Brandenburg and Prussia having crazy military ideas because of their accomplishments under the rule of one particular king is silly enough. Blind luck shouldn't be guaranteed to happen.

The Issue is as I said it just never happens at all. Prussia is just not happening at all. As I said I've seen Prussia form without any player help by the AI itself one single time since 2014. It really should happen alot more. Yeah it was beyond luck but still, I would like to see it happening more without player interference/vassall blobb them.

Atm Prussia is like Nepal for mp and in a limited term for sp purposes. Everyone like to get them as an vasall but they'll never survive on their own. And this is just plain wrong.

 

[wingren013]

The Issue is as I said it just never happens at all. Prussia is just not happening at all. As I said I've seen Prussia form without any player help by the AI itself one single time since 2014. It really should happen alot more. Yeah it was beyond luck but still, I would like to see it happening more often without player interference/vassall blobb them.

Atm Prussia is like Nepal for mp and in a limited term for sp purposes. Everyone like to get them as an vasall but they'll never survive on their own. And this is just plain wrong.

my point is that it's something that happened by blind luck 200 years after the start date.

 

[Rainbow Mirage]

Yeah, look at that stupid Brandenburgian AI. Pathetic performance.

It even stayed catholic! The heretic!

No, but to be serious. I see BB and/or Teutonic Order form Prussia occasionally. It's an uncommon occurrence but not rare. Depends on how things in Europe plays out and its alliance web. If the reformation is weak they often stay catholic though.

Brandenburg is like a weak France. If they survive to the mid-late game and unlock their NI's they usually become strong.

ps: While i did play in Europe in this game. I had nothing to do with BB surviving. And even fought in a war against them. I only allied them recently to replace my papal state ally i ate.

 

[LoyalistRedcoat]

Mye experience is that Brandenburg often does very well, but does not form Prussia due to losing TO to Poland.

 

[CoolSpin]

I do see Prussia every now and then, biggest issue is they dont change religion, that's why in my games I see a formable Prussia, just not non-catholic.

 

[creativitypersonified]

Brandenburg sometimes gets screwed over but they sometimes do just fine. They are pretty fine in my opinion. Prussia never forming is affected by many factors. One of them is that the provinces required are rarely under the right nation.

 

[schondetta]

This is the case with most formable nations. I have seen it happen once for Prussia though.

 

[CoolSpin]

I never see Tuscany form, but I saw one in my current Venice game. BB don't *need* Prussia tag to be OP, just the right ideas and policies.

 

[$ilent_$trider]

Like people said, Brandeburg becoming Prussia and becoming a juggernaut 300 years after the satrt of the game pretty much happened by luck.
Them not forming is not as surprising as say, Spain not forming.

 

[indika_tates]

Brandenburg has a difficult time because all the provinces where the AI can easily expand around the starting position are quite poor. There are exceptions like Danzig or Lubeck but it's not enough in the AI hands to sustain a decent army & economy. You can have a fantastic idea set that worth nothing if you can't field more than 12k troops without being on the negative.

 

[Lavsky]

Brandenburg was not a historically rich country and was largely an agrarian economy at 1444, even modern Berlin isn't quite the economic metropolis in Germany.