I'm with the king in this. Allying with Prince Roubaud is not only the moral but the strategic thing to do re the coming war with Normandy. My question is how well will Eadward take this slight to his counsel?
That is precisely it. So far Uhtræd has made some logical choices for the short term. It will be the long term that proves them ultimately correct or not.Though there are many ways this could go badly, I agree with Uhtræd's choice here. Containing the Normans is necessary in the short-term, even if it proves costly in the long term.
Quite. I wanted to support Roubaud but putting anything like real effort into it would play right into Robert's hands. Uhtræd will hopefully be smarter than that. He will be right at home on the battlefield, however. Good call.Having lost Potiou and part of Aquitaine, France is a mess. Granted, it's not all that different from what happened in OTL with the HRE standing in for the Angevins, but this HRE looks much stronger than Angevin England, and there doesn't appear to be a Philipp II just yet. Though maybe Roubaud can pull something together if he gains the throne.
It is a tough choice for Uhtræd though. There are merits to keeping France afloat, since the HRE is going to end up fighting over the Norman holdings in Flanders. But.. weakening the army in any way could speed up Robert's actions against him. I think his choice here of nominally offering support is the right one.
But judging by your response, it seems as though war is coming. I suspect Uhtræd will finally feel right at home and perhaps cement his rule with success on the battlefield.
Eadward's response is short lived. See the next post.I'm with the king in this. Allying with Prince Roubaud is not only the moral but the strategic thing to do re the coming war with Normandy. My question is how well will Eadward take this slight to his counsel?
The "cookie crumbles" makes me think of one of my absolute favorite films - The Apartment. Jack Lemmon...Shirley MacLaine...it is exquisite. That's just the way it crumbles...cookie-wise.Dual kings means double the trouble.
I'm writing in cliches at the moment but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
From east to west, north to south...France is indeed messed up. Glad to see that I am not the only one that appreciates the vanilla map showing us exactly how that realm has broken up. Fans of France may not like to see what has happened to them, but the map does tell a fine and specific tale. Still not sure how Toulouse broke free but it is of a piece.France is very messed up. It sort of looks like a Hundred Years' War type situation. A foreign power has control of aquatine and Normandy (though in this case not the same powers), Brittany is essentially independent and watching the fight, the southern and western lords in France are rebelling or quasi-independent men trying to expand their own territory in order to become independent and get the hell away from the fighting (Burgundy and the like), whilst Orleans and the royal French faction duke it out amongst themsevles and the foreign power to try and get as much control as possible over a shattering state.
So curiously enough, the base game seems to be better at representing France at this time than the uptodate version is. I quite like how rebels become indepednant for the duration of the war, it's very visually informative of the state of things.
You might...and Eadward and Uhtræd thank you....I should probably comment on the chapter as well. Um...eadward seems to be giving good advice as usual and the king contours to have a good sense of war and the military strength of all sides. Yeah...that should do.![]()
While never craven, Uhtræd would gladly put aside this crown if he could. Events occur soon that make that but a dream. These two brothers need one another...for the sake of the crown and realm and for the sake of each other.So Uhtræd seeks to ensnare his brother with the magnitude of responsibility.
But this private understanding is a dangerous one - for there is only one anoited King. It speaks to Uhtræd's aims but also his own insecurity. I wonder if he wishes he had the courage to refuge, if in this one matter he proved craven.
Without a strong liege, it is dangerous indeed. Thankfully we don't have that here.Uhtræd wants and needs his brother to be fully on board. In truth, the King wants people to notice. If they can find a way to use it good luck. He thinks fairly well on his own capabilities to counteract any problems. He needs Eadward to think the same.Dual kings are not a wise move, even if it's only in the shadows. People will notice. People will use it. Brotherly love is well and all, but power corrupts. I certainly hope Uthræd doesn't go too far in this direction.
Exactly! And I quite enjoyed that first series of Versailles. Waiting with baited breath for the second.I don't believe that the king is taking of duality. Merely unity of purpose. I'm reminded of Louis's speech to his brother the Duc of Orleans at the beginning of Versailles series 1
Great stuff
Thank you, sir. While the scene might not seem overly important in the grand scheme of things, I believe that it is. Uhtræd has been on the throne for over a year now and pretty much everyone knows what will come next. He needs his brother to know that he trusts him and depends upon him. They have very different talents, and as you suggest, different world views. It will only be by their combination of said talents that they have any chance at victory in the future. Uhtræd truly doesn't really care about being the King, but it is his lot. Eadward might, but he loves his brother. Between them, they might provide the ruling structure to both win the sure war ahead and keep it for their House and family.Another masterfully written chapter, coz
I could go on about the many contrasts between Eadward and Uhtræd on display in this chapter, but I think the most important one, and the root of all the others, is the one with the least overt attention called to it: These are two men who view the world through fundamentally different lenses. What seems obvious to one may be incomprehensible to the other. As Uhtræd points out, this can be a source of great strength if they both agree on a clear goal and have good communication between one another -- yet the bare fact that they engage the world around them on such different terms is bound to cause friction.
This is, of course, wonderfully literally illustrated with the map scene.
“I care not for such finery,” Wulfrun interrupted him, “Woman I may be, but these bits and bobs do not interest me as they do other ladies. But a bloody book?”
That series has been out for quite a few months here. Not sure who shows it in the US?Exactly! And I quite enjoyed that first series of Versailles. Waiting with baited breath for the second.
What an excellent chapter, crackling with sniping. I rather like this Duchess from a characterisation perspective but, by god, she's going to cause some trouble. Are you playing her according to her character traits and if so what are they?
Small point of order: the Chancellor of Mercia is highly unlikely to have been titled 'Lord Chancellor' that would be reserved for the great offices of the realm.![]()