- Dec 3, 2015
A lot of blood would go under the bridges if the Norman duke wants to leave the Saxon crown.
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Play or no, I think you have a novel idea there Butterfly! I must admit that I did not intend for Robert to be a "tragic" villain, but villain he most certainly is. And your reasoning of such cannot be disputed. That was intended because he has a.) the power and b.) the memory of what happened to his father...which those of you that read the previous work may know, he was not especially fond of. Yet...it remains, in his mind, his destiny. We shall see.Ah, a tragic villain! Interesting stuff and sure to bring about commentary from historians and play writes alike. Because Normandy could leave England and be free from it very easily at this point I think. There may or may not be a war over it but I think many saxons wouldn't be too disappointed with that lost land to fight for it (and Robert doesn't know of course that the king needs it to remain so England is prominent in Europe). But if the duke could simply leave well enough alone and be satisfied on the content, he could form his own powerful realm in France and Brittany, or take the emperor's oath and become the most powerful vassal in the HRE. All sorts of great and good possibilities, yet he will never take them because his father wanted England, was killed by the English and now he wants revenge.
There's a Shakespeare play in it, whether he wins or not I think!
Welcome and thanks for the comment! I'm not certain the break would be so easy, but it may be the best thing to happen in many ways. Will it? Hmm...there is a reason this work is titled as it is.A lot of blood would go under the bridges if the Norman duke wants to leave the Saxon crown.
This is just a bunch of Norman über alles propaganda!
More verse from Brother Nylan. One must ask...why is he not better known?In another time a latter day Aeschylus would be writing the Normandia about the cycle of hatred and revenge of the House of Normandy. Perhaps one will.
And thus the child remained enchained
His oaths of fealty all feigned
His father's hand the master still
The Duke obeys for worse and ill
As I always say, sir...you will need to wait until the end to see if Brother Nylan's words ring true. We have had plenty of literary study here on these boards but there is always room for more. Keep it coming, I say.finally brought some literature study into the forum! The other side of the coin of history.
Your spidey sense is not wrong, sir. I don't know that it is generational over time (because I have not played that long) but history does repeat itself. Just wait. I know I am giving away what happens but I don't think I have been too shy to foreshadow such an event. Robert IS coming.I'm getting the sense that the houses of Wessex and Normandy are on the cusp of a long, slow-burning generational feud like the Capetians and the Habsburgs -- or the Hatfields and McCoys.
Time will tell if the decision was ultimately smart or not, but it was time for Uhtræd to make things in his own way. And indeed, the pretenders are disunited...for now.I had to read both updates at once. Good move with the council, but despite the theatrics I suspect those removed will be somewhat unhappy about it (if only because the game mechanics make it so). Fortunately, all the pretenders are disunited, but as you showed, the Normans have the means to continue building their strength by taking French lands.
In many ways, Normandy is a pickle of my own making. I might have done something about them many years ago but did not. I have appreciated how they have expanded within France, but it does come at some coast as it continues to make them stronger along with the realm.Those Normans are going to be a tricky lot. There's no easy way to remove them, short of granting them independence, but there's no way Uthraed can let that happen. The best he can hope for is to keep them isolated, but even if Robert himself can never be king, his descendants could well end up king-makers.
Good to see you back from vacation. Hope you had a great time! As for the brothers, so far they are feeling each other out. But when the time comes, they will need to be a powerful duo. Glad Lady Wulfrun is coming into her own. I hope to do more with her as move forward. Morcar will come sooner than that. As for Robert, he is by far the most powerful vassal in that he rules a mini-Kingdom really. Mercia is second. But you are correct - history remains a cycle.Hi coz !
I read it all at once and it was really interesting (as always).
I really like the relationship with the two brothers. There is respect (and even love) between them two, but something unspoken let them a bit distant toward each other (whether it is ambition, defiance or simply misunderstanding, we'll see).
They can be a really powerful duo. For the moment, I still think Eadward is loyal. He has to find his place too.
The young lady from Mercia has definitely the potential to be my favorite.
I wait to see more of the Duke of York to have a clear opinion of him.
And we end with another plot from Normandy. History is an eternal cycle.
Robert has not the charisma of his father, but he should not be underrated. He is one of the strongest vassals (maybe the strongest) and can be a real nuisance. Interesting times upon us.
Thank you once again for this story.
I may post a bit more frequently the next few weeks (at least, I hope so).
Heart of darkness indeed. We all had to know that once William lost his bid, that Normandy would remain a thorn in our side. Either independent or as part of the realm, they will always have their ambition.Well well well this was a rather interesting foray into the heart of darkness that is Rouen where sits the febrile plotting of a scorned Norman. I like it!
Ahh...but Uhtræd does take the call and honor it. He may not work hard at it, but he accepts his duty.It is very important to keep focused.
I must say I am impressed by the young Duke here - clear and forthright, and giving reasonable counsel. He has an eagerness to him, of course, the mark of youth, but if Brice backs him it is clearly not out of sort. I do think as well by refusing this call Uhtræd may have begun, in small certain ways, the same moral slide that he so loathed in his father. Let us home his descent does not lead to the same decision.
Not bad advice. Where were you when I was playing this bit? Lord Robert is indeed very bad!Brittanny is ripe for the taking, and a good staging ground - as well as counter - to the bad Lord Duke Robert.
There is still some slight France, but they have been is shambles for years. Between Normandy and the HRE, they are but a mere snack at this point.Uohoh! Look at that France...oh, wait there isn't any France around.
Interesting how the readers are taking sides in the council. Eadward was outvoted, but most of you are on his side in the argument. While I suggested in the post that France was not the battleground, you may very well be right that in the very near future, it will be. The HRE has certainly made great gains there as has England (though Normandy.) Ther future is interesting, no doubt.France isn't dead, long live the empire from the looks of things. Or it would be so if the emperor was not old and tired apparently. And I'm not sure allying with France is a good thing now. Normandy looks stronger than them and far more unified. France is more two duchies and Paris than a kingdom now. The German emperor, the Bretons, the Normans and the Saxons have more stake in France now. I think that this area is going to be a melting pot of contention and war for the next few centuries if things aren't fixed very soon, much like how Germany was OTL. An interesting twist on the two medieval power in Europe there.
England has to tread carefully, because for france to be of any use it must be put back together again, which makes it stronger than England by default. Also o do that, one must fight the empire and all the micro kingdoms that yet are as large as the remnent French realm. More and more Normandy seems to be England's way into France, rather than relations with the French king. But regardless of what the king decides, for the moment, the German empeor holds the power in France right now.
You are correct, France may not be totally out of it. I happen to like this version of the game that breaks them into their own independent realms while a revolt occurs. The maps look better to me. But if this Queen (or another) can get her bits together, they still prove a presence in Western Europe. And your advice to the King is not bad at all. He does not take it, of course, but he would do well to listen. In retrospect, I agree with you. Except for this little niggling thing called...Normandy. More on that in a bit.I think the apparent splintering of France is somewhat deceptive -- if I recall correctly, since coz isn't using Legacy of Rome, his game still has the old faction revolt mechanics where every rebel lord temporarily goes independent until the war ends, rather than getting lumped together under a single "revolt leader." That said, even taking that into account France does look rather anemic here compared to the massive grey blob that is the Holy Roman Empire.
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that if Uhtræd is going to commit to propping up an ally on the French throne, he's better off going all-out. Even France and England combined might not be able to hold off the Emperor all by themselves, but they might have just enough strength to make the Emperor think twice about getting aggressive if he has other threats prowling his borders (which he almost certainly will). Otherwise, he's better off leaving France to its own devices.