The bizarre Jewish state of Khazar
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There are many Ethiopian sources for conflicts between the emperor and the Kingdom of Semien during the Middle Ages.
No answer to my question... why you know, that the Ki8ngdom of Semien wasn't Jewish?
How I have say... That is in maps and sources from the 16th century, if the references are correct.
Are forum moderators representative of Paradox Development Studio's views? Or volunteers just doing their best to find answers?
I do have to wonder how West African paganism or Zoroastrianism made the cut while Judaism didn't. I'm the King of Norway with an Indian eunuch at my court but having Jewish characters is implausible? I get that they don't have a state or a province, but why not characters?
Leaving them out seems the politically incorrect option, to me. Of course I don't want a pogrom button, but there should be some conflict / consideration with the Jews IMHO
I do have to wonder how West African paganism or Zoroastrianism made the cut while Judaism didn't. I'm the King of Norway with an Indian eunuch at my court but having Jewish characters is implausible? I get that they don't have a state or a province, but why not characters?
Leaving them out seems the politically incorrect option, to me. Of course I don't want a pogrom button, but there should be some conflict / consideration with the Jews IMHO
The second one isn't quite true. Sometimes they follow company policy fairly fairly quickly. E.g. when it's most of the forums opinion that buying gamersgate versions of eu3 is better due to steam having delayed releases... it ends up being 90% of the forum being pro gamersgate and all the mods+10% of other users being for steam/saying they're both good. Usually though they're fair and reasonable balanced in their views. Depends on the topic. One thing that can be said though is they tend to have all been around a very long time so they will have views/posts that are more similar to high postcount users than low postcount users most likely.
I just think it'd be a lot of work to add jews properly, and paradox is just going for the most relevent and least work things first (like every game developer would). I don't think it's a hidden agenda.
I didn't say I thought it was a hidden agenda. I'm just stating that I think this religion has the significance to be worth a few lines of code, at the very least.
It's not much to add in the provinces where it is; but I think paradox has chosen not to model it since it doesn't make sense to have it present in the game in terms of county religions but not present in terms of court advisors. The main focus of the game being landed nobles after all.
It is true that no one region would really have a majority population of Jews, and representing their persecution in Iberia might be distasteful. Although, the game does touch on the persecution of religious sects.
No, moderators are not official representatives of PDS, but we do have a good knowledge about what they think and feel.
People assume that Jews (religion/culture) aren't in the game for political or racial reasons, which simply isn't true, yet somehow several forumites presume this is the case and then start stating that as a fact. While that facts that are presented (quotes from he developers) are not believed or simply ignored.
West-African pagans are in the game because there are rulers and provinces with that religion. Zoroastrian is the the game because there are provinces who have that as their religion. So far none has come up with a source for a Jewish ruler or proof that some provinces had a majority of Jews in them.
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And if you wonder why the Aztecs are in, just read the reasoning, orovided by PDS, for that dlc.
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I assume that the idea that Paradox has left out Jews for political reasons comes from the fact that in there's no Holocaust in HoI games and it's banned topic in HoI forums. I assume that they won't include medieval pogroms either even if they would include Jews to CKII. However I wonder why people decide to ignore the fact that there is Jewish religion and/or people in other Paradox games (including CKI, where they always disappeared fast because Pagans or Christians conquered them ASAP) so there can be no real conspiracy. Personally I believe that Paradox doesn't want to create specific religion just for random courtiers, which doesn't serve any real gameplay purpose.
EDIT: And while there aren't any Zoroastrian rulers it serves gameplay purpose as it gives Muslim rulers wrong religion provinces in Persia, where it still was major religion and Aztec religion has gameplay purpose if you have Sunset Invasion.
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Then please, again, say me, why the Kingdom of Semien hadn't Jwes as rulers... I want to know it for my mod, and if you say, they aren't Jewish (historical atlas say other things, if wikipedia are right)... But it seems like, you don't want to answer my question about this topic
I don't want Jews in vanilla, I can accept, they aren't there. This is my statement on this topic. I think this is bad, but I can accept, if they wouldn't add them.
Then please, again, say me, why the Kingdom of Semien hadn't Jwes as rulers... I want to know it for my mod, and if you say, they aren't Jewish (historical atlas say other things, if wikipedia are right)... But it seems like, you don't want to answer my question about this topic
I don't want Jews in vanilla, I can accept, they aren't there. This is my statement on this topic. I think this is bad, but I can accept, if they wouldn't add them.
The kingdom of Semien isn't in the game (to small to insignificant) and even if it was nobody knows for sure if they were Jewish or any name of its rulers during the ck2 period.
And even if we assume that they are Jewish, then it would still be just one province. And there are several other minor cuktures/religions not represented. Like f.e the Guanche in the Canary Islands or Albanians (while there are Albanians in the game and rhere also was a kingdom of Albania).
What. Are you sure you're not talking about EU3?, because CK2 is littered with small and insignificant nations. That's one of the major selling points of the game.
So it would not be historically wrong for him to have them in his mod, he just have to do some leaps when it comes to the rulers of the Kingdom. And seeing as he is reworking the map completely, i'm certain that he is going to include enough Eastern African provinces for the Kingdom to have some relevance in the region. He is not arguing about Vanilla, Veld, he is asking a question that has relevance for his mod-project.
Why would he need my approval for making Jewish rulers in his own mod ? Or am I missing something here. If he wants to put them in his mod, he can do that. It is not forbidden to add Jews to the game.
Even so, many small and insignificant nations are not in the game.
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I only ask, because you say "they weren't Jews". And I want to make my mod so historical correct/accurate like possible. And so I was interessed in this part
I only ask, because you say "they weren't Jews". And I want to make my mod so historical correct/accurate like possible. And so I was interessed in this part
Some people will say that they are Jewish, so you can take your pick
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Some people will say that they are Jewish, so you can take your pick
So the point is... Noone know it exactly? This give me a great freedom. Alright.
What i have read about the matter myself is that they were considered jewish right up until the 20th Century where their Jewishness was suddenly being called into question, so from my point of view you wouldn't be stepping unto too thin ice by including them.