The best "hidden feature" of HoI2?

[Rey]

I can imagine a Chinese Civil War with commies popping up everywere!
This is a great way to simulate guerilla tactics and partisan activity

 

[unmerged(43424)]

Well, I did not succeed in moving units from ghost province to the real world.

I created a ghost province, linked it with Kustrin next to Berlin using the file adj-defs.csv (creating a link between the two provinces) such as :

From;To;Type;Through;Comment
2607;308;Canal;0;Vatican

An event gave Vatican an infantry (which can be seen in the division screen), I declared war as Germany to Vatican, but after a while no Vatican unit invades Kustrin.

I guess I'm wrong somewhere with the adj-def. I reloaded as Vatican and I cannot move the unit to Kustrin or somewhere else.

Do you have any idea where I'm wrong ?

 

[unmerged(50487)]

Vatican Test

After careful analysis, I now post my results. First, kudo's to Alexander for finding this. Second, I have successfully created a government called Vatican. Loaded it as a seperate nation, and even Played the Vatican on reload:

I was not, however, able to attack anything with my armies, even though I created a path to province Kustrin. I also utilized the 'through' field in an attempt to go around the program. This failed. I attempted to Rebase my air force to Paris, after dragging them into the war. The game froze. Not ctd... merely frozen. I have come to the conclusion that no military capabilities may exist for these 'off-map' nations. The only way to move units from the off-map province to the real map is to use the f12 'Teleport' command:

Which worked remarkably well (yes... I used the swiss as boiler plate for the Vatican).

 

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I draw the same conclusions. I think we have to mod the other .tbl files, but i haven't got a clue about the software needed to modify those files.

 

[Alexander Seil]

I believe that there are multiple editors now out for EU2 able to mod the map itself. I completely forgot that adjacency definitions were pretty much hardcoded (other than the type), so yes, you're completely right, there's no way for unit to move back and forth between "physical" world and the ghost provinces. Not much of a problem if you ask me, but it's useful to know the limitations of a concept.

 

[Sarmatia1871]

Hi - just thought I'd revive this thread with the following question:

I've put an offmap country in the alpha version of the Kaiserreich mod (The SPD in province 1168), but it causes a harmless but irritating 'Scenario Files had errors' message.

Has anyone managed to create a ghost-country without getting this message?

 

[unmerged(43424)]

Yes I confirm you can create it without error message.

I encountered the same problem, as you did, can't remember how I fixed it.

I think it has something to do with the xxx.eug file in the scenario folder.

Is your country present from the start or does it appear after the beginning ?

 

[Sarmatia1871]

Yes I confirm you can create it without error message.

I encountered the same problem, as you did, can't remember how I fixed it.

I think it has something to do with the xxx.eug file in the scenario folder.

Is your country present from the start or does it appear after the beginning ?

Yeah, it's present from the start - the tag (DDR) is in the selectable countries list.

EDIT: Okay, managed to get it working properly - I hadn't changed all the information in the province.csv - done this now, and no error message!

 

[Passivocalia]

Dude, this is terrific!

I already have some ministers for the Holy See, all of the Paternal Autocrat:



Head of State: Pius XI (Stern Imperialist) (sleep 1939)
Pius XII (Pig-headed Isolationist) (wake 1939)

Head of Government: Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Naive Optimist) (sleep 1939)
Luigi Cardinal Maglione (Silent Workhorse) (wake 1939, sleep 1944)
Pius XII (Naive Optimist) (wake 1944)

Foreign Minister: Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Great Compromiser) (sleep 1939)
Luigi Cardinal Maglione (Apologetic Clerk) (wake 1939)

Minister of Armament: Francesco Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani (Laissez-Faire Capitalist)

Minister of Security: Donato Cardinal Sbarretti (Silent Lawyer) (sleep 1 April 1939)
Francesco Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani (wake 1939)

Minister of Intelligence: Giovanni Montini (Political Specialist)

Some still need dates and traits, but I can get those soon, and others can make suggestions if they think a certain minister should have different traits. Right now I'm thinking absolutely none of the four military ministers (unless someone can find out who headed the Swiss Guard! )

Some event ideas:
Spanish Civil War
Option A: Take no stance (no effect)
Option B: Condemn the Republicans (+1 Interventionsim, +1 Hawk Lobby, + relations Nationalist Spain/Germany/Italy, - relations Republican Spain/Soviets, delete a random unit from Republican Spain)

Encyclicals against Nazism and Communism (10 March 1937 - 19 March 1937, Pope Pius XI issued an encyclical condemning nazism on the 10th and another condemning atheistic communism on the 19th)
Option A: Condemn Germany and Russia (+1 Interventionism, - relations with Germany/Italy/Soviets, slight dissent increase in Germany, Italy gets a chance to annex but probably won't)
Option B: Condemn Russia alone (+1 Interventionism, - relations with Soviets, + relations Germany/Italy)
Option C: Condemn Germany alone (+1 Interventionism, - relations Germany/Italy, Italy gets a chance to annex but probably won't)
Option B: We are too vulnerable (no effect)
Wikipedia article

Recognising Nationalist Spain (anytime from 28 August 1937 if the Republicans are doing poorly; automatically triggered if Franco gets victory before then)
Option A: We have no choice (+ relations Nationalist Spain/Germany/Italy, - relations Republican Spain/Soviets)
Option B: We cannot (+1 Isolationism, - relations Nationalist Spain/Germany/Italy, Italy gets a chance to annex but probably won't)

Death of Pope Pius XI (10 February 1939)
Option A: Elect Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli (Pius XII) (puts in Pius XII, et al)
Option B????
Option C????


World War II (sometime after fighting breaks out, potentially after the fall of Warsaw)
Option A: Quietly do what we can (+1 Dove Lobby, - relations with Germany/Italy, slight manpower increase in England/France/U.S., very slight chance Italy will annex in intervals throughout the war)
Option B: Maintain strictest neutrality (+1 Isolationism)
Option C: Speak out loudly and continously! (Game Over) (+1 Interventionism, dissent increase in Germany/Italy, Germany and Italy have sliders moved +1 Dove Lobby, Italy will almost certainly annex)

Some alternative event ideas...

A Catholic Monarch in Spain (for Alfonso XIII, Juan III, or Javier de Borbón-Parma)
A Catholic Monarch in France (for Jean de Bourbon)
A Catholic Monarch in Austria (for Otto I)
Option A: Offer to coronate personally (+1 Interventionism, + relations with the nation, nation guarantees your independence if they accept)
Option B: This is irrelevant (no effect)

World War III
Option A: Condemn the Soviet Union (+1 Interventionism, +1 Hawk Lobby, - relations Soviets et al, + relations Allies, decrease dissent for Allies)
Option B: Maintain strictest neutrality (+1 Isolationism)

Any others we can think of? Any improvement ideas on these? Bravo for discovering this!

 

[Sarmatia1871]

Dude, this is terrific!

I already have some ministers for the Holy See, all of the Paternal Autocrat:

...

Ah, I actually need Vatican leaders and ministers for my Kaiserreich mod - Can I use some of these if you're making them?
(Full credit will of course be given in the readme, and I'll send you any more that I dig up for to you to use too!)

I'm now having a bit of trouble activating more provinces to use for off-map countries. I copied Alexander Sell's province 2607 data into the province.csv file to use for the DDR tag, and this now works fine. But, if I true to change any other of the hidden provinces to 'clear' terrain type in Europe and put countries on them, I get an error message on loadup.

Does anyone know exactly how the province.csv file needs to be changed to get around this?

 

[Passivocalia]

Ah, I actually need Vatican leaders and ministers for my Kaiserreich mod - Can I use some of these if you're making them?
(Full credit will of course be given in the readme, and I'll send you any more that I dig up for to you to use too!)

Sure. I've found a site with many pictures of cardinals... now I'm trying to find alternative Fascist, Nazi, or Left-wing potential popes for after Pius XI dies.

I don't know about "leaders"... anyone know who led the Swiss Guards?

I'm now having a bit of trouble activating more provinces to use for off-map countries. I copied Alexander Sell's province 2607 data into the province.csv file to use for the DDR tag, and this now works fine. But, if I true to change any other of the hidden provinces to 'clear' terrain type in Europe and put countries on them, I get an error message on loadup.

My game froze, too. The only way I could resolve it was by changing the location information to what I wanted (the stuff that says it's in Europe/Rome) but keeping all the other information the same.

I also can't make my new tag a selectable country. The documents that specify which countries are selectable in each scenario are EUG files, and when I try to edit notepad versions of them it claims that they are read-only. This saddens me.

 

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you could also simulate the United Nations

 

[Passivocalia]

you could also simulate the United Nations

HEY!! The League of Nations! Absolutely no power; absolutely no purpose!

And then, after World War II, the United Nations.

 

[Sarmatia1871]

Sure. I've found a site with many pictures of cardinals... now I'm trying to find alternative Fascist, Nazi, or Left-wing potential popes for after Pius XI dies.

I don't know about "leaders"... anyone know who led the Swiss Guards?



My game froze, too. The only way I could resolve it was by changing the location information to what I wanted (the stuff that says it's in Europe/Rome) but keeping all the other information the same.

I also can't make my new tag a selectable country. The documents that specify which countries are selectable in each scenario are EUG files, and when I try to edit notepad versions of them it claims that they are read-only. This saddens me.

Many thanks, the Papal info would be great!

My game doesn't freeze when I add the new countries - just a slightly annoying message pops up while its loading, saying that the 'Scenario files had errors'. You can ignore this and the play the game normally, but it is a bit irritating!

The only way I've managed to get round this is by copying exacly AlexanderSell's info for province 2607 and using that as the phantom nation's home province. However, editing the other provinces and giving them to other countries leads to the message!

Have you tried right-clicking on the scenario's .eug file to deselect the read-only box? They generally are editable, and it's not too tricky to enter new selectable countries into it. You just need to:

1) Put the country's tag in the 'selectable = {' section (at the top of the file)
2) Put a link to the .inc file at the bottom (ieg. 'include = "scenarios/1938/<<papacy>>.inc")

 

[unmerged(39808)]

I'm trying to create such a ghost country and it looks hopeless. I've created an u10.inc file and I've put information about it to campaing .eug file.
I've also chosen province 2607 and have changed the entries as Alexander Seil posted. I've even make connection to Kustrin province as fabmp posted.
The country is selectable but the scenario won't load. I'm waiying for several minutes and nothing. No CTD no errors. It's looks like it stuck.
Could somebody post how the .inc file should look, please? Maybe there is a problem.

 

[Sarmatia1871]

I'm trying to create such a ghost country and it looks hopeless. I've created an u10.inc file and I've put information about it to campaing .eug file.
I've also chosen province 2607 and have changed the entries as Alexander Seil posted. I've even make connection to Kustrin province as fabmp posted.
The country is selectable but the scenario won't load. I'm waiying for several minutes and nothing. No CTD no errors. It's looks like it stuck.
Could somebody post how the .inc file should look, please? Maybe there is a problem.

Make sure all the brackets in the new .inc file are correct!

The only times I've ever got this error is when I've missed a close bracket ('}') right at the end of the .inc file - if you forget this one, then the game won't load and also won't give you any error messages, so you need to ALT-CTRL out to get out.

 

[unmerged(39808)]

Miss the bracket at the end of the file.
Shame on me!
But right now I can't see propaganda poster. I've added one to data folder and when I'm selecting country I can't see it.

 

[Sarmatia1871]

Miss the bracket at the end of the file.
Shame on me!
But right now I can't see propaganda poster. I've added one to data folder and when I'm selecting country I can't see it.

Odd - what is the TAG and what is the poster's name?

(The name of the propaganda poster file should be 'propaganda_<<TAG>>', and it needs to be a .bmp file 256x211)

If everything else fails, what you need to do is make the tag one of the default selectable countries in the .eug file, and put the following lines in:

<<TAG>>= {

picture = "scenarios\data\<<Poster file name>>.bmp"
}

What this does is overrides the default poster selection, and makes the one specified in the 'picture' link show up instead (You can see actual examples of this being done in most of the vanilla battle scenario .eug files).

 

[unmerged(39808)]

I'm using U10 tag and I've named it propaganda_u10.bmp (it is renamed polish propaganda poster).

To be honest I make this for CORE (I'm planning to create poland in exile)
And when i put that file to mod dir scenarios/data folder - the game don't see it, but when i put it to vanilla scenarios/data folder then it's OK.
Maybe I've to change something in some other files?

 

[unmerged(45652)]

Doomtrader, plotting behind the backs of the C.O.R.E. team... You're a real backroom backstabber.
The idea of "ghost countries" is just brilliant, I hope we manage to persuade guys form CORE to implement this thing in the mod.